Re: Clayton on the Redskins' offseason plans
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;276448]Thanks for the suggestion, I can now quote the Charles Schwab article and saw some insight on Barbaro.... j/k[/quote]

lol good one

Re: Clayton on the Redskins' offseason plans
 

[quote=GTripp0012;276463]I think Cartwright is perfectly capable of taking over Betts' role in an offense where the featured guy, Portis, is healthy. The problem comes when Portis gets hurt. Do we run the ball less to account for that?

As long as we have 3 quality backs, we don't have to adjust our gameplan much if Portis gets hurt. We can still run 30-35 times a game.

Guys tend to breakdown if they get more than 350 carries in a season. Portis carried more than that in 2005, and wasn't able to make it though 2006. This is not surprising to me. No back should be allowed to carry more than 20 times a game [I]consistently[/I] thoughout the season. If you are going to be a run first team, you do need two QUALITY guys to carry the football. Portis should be getting about 20 carries a game and even more receptions, but Betts is going to have to carry 10-12 times a game in a run first offense. [B]Even Cartwright should be getting involved later in games to keep Portis from taking unessesscary beatings in running out the clock situations.[/B][/quote]


Excellent post over all....love the point at the end. Amen to that. Portis is shizzle, believe that, but no matter how much he thinks he is, he isnt GOD.

2 RB is necessary and not only that, its fun too! HAHAHAHAHAH

Re: Clayton on the Redskins' offseason plans
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;276438]So you want to trade quality RB depth away for picks with this front office that by your own opinion does not have a good track record at drafting... tell me how this makes any sense?

And please don't tell me you think Cartwright could handle a full time load if he was pressed into action. At least now we know Betts [I]can[/I] handle it.[/QUOTE]

As far as my faith in this front office's ability to draft effectively, just remember the blind squirrel ... One of my New Year's resolutions was to think positively about the Redskins front office in 2007. I figure sooner or later they're due for a good draft.

Speaking of which, Rock Cartwright represents one of the very few gems this organization has been able to unearth late in the draft. So yes, I've got confidence in him for a limited back-up role. Not only that, serviceable running backs aren't that difficult to find. Kenny Watson was another good example of a decent pickup through undrafted free agency.

Bottom line for me is, the weaknesses on defense outweigh the advantages of running back depth. Of course, all of that goes out the window if there isn't a fair deal for Betts.

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[QUOTE=Big C;276445]how quickly we forget how well he played this year, how he took a much smaller deal than he could have got to stay with the redskins. lets just trade our core guys after they just signed a contract extension, tell that to the redskins players see how they'd feel about that. its lunacy.[/QUOTE]

I haven't forgotten how well he played. That's exactly the reason I think he'd be worth it if they price was right.

If the players don't see through the "core Redskin" crap by now, then they're blind.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;276453]As what someone else has pointed out, you want to trade a core Redskins player? And here it is that we have been bitchin' about the Redskins getting rid of core players in the past, and you're suggesting we do just that.[/QUOTE]

The players have to realize that the NFL is all about business. If they're the whining whoosies who will fall apart at seeing one of their fellow teammates get traded the way you suggest, then our problems are much deeper than we thought.

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[quote=Beemnseven;276472]I haven't forgotten how well he played. That's exactly the reason I think he'd be worth it if they price was right.

If the players don't see through the "core Redskin" crap by now, then they're blind.[/quote]


I actually think that while the players wouldn't want to see him go, they would appreciate a move that actually "made sense". If you are a player it has to frustrate you when the front office sets you up for failure year after year.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;276474]I actually think that while the players wouldn't want to see him go, they would appreciate a move that actually "made sense". If you are a player it has to frustrate you when the front office sets you up for failure year after year.[/QUOTE]

i could understand what u guys are saying if betts didnt just re-sign, like if he had already had a few years on his contract. but like 2 months ago we just extended him, it would be really low to trade someone right after they re-signed with you, and i can assure you the players would revolt. betts isnt being traded and i think we all know that deep down

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I think this offseason the team really needs to commit to this notion of what it means to be a core Redskin. We've seen too many of these so called core guys slip away. Trading away someone like Betts would just be another move that the players would quietly grumble over in the locker room and it would only further weaken an already shaky ground between the coaches and players.

If Gibbs and company are really serious about building and retaining key guys, they really need to step up to the plate and deliver.

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I just want to resign Dockery within the next week. I really am starting to get very afraid things might not be going well with those negotiations.

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I don't know what people see in Cartwright. He has the size of a tailback yet runs like a fullback. We already have one north/south runner with no moves in Ladell, I don't see the need for two at that spot. I'd rather look for a young guy with some open field ability.

Both Ladell and Rock seem to have the uncanny ability to break through the LOS then run right at the only guy with a shot at stopping them. Ladell's advantage is that he does it 10 yards downfield.

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[quote=Mattyk72;276581]I think this offseason the team really needs to commit to this notion of what it means to be a core Redskin. We've seen too many of these so called core guys slip away. Trading away someone like Betts would just be another move that the players would quietly grumble over in the locker room and it would only further weaken an already shaky ground between the coaches and players.

If Gibbs and company are really serious about building and retaining key guys, they really need to step up to the plate and deliver.[/quote]

what sucks is seeing the "core" guys going and playing well for other teams while we sign more expensive, crappier replacements :( .

betts was a good move. dock could have been upgraded the last two years, but it looks like he's finally figured it out, and for consistancy, re-signing him would be another good move.

Re: Clayton on the Redskins' offseason plans
 

I'm sick of all this "business" crap. The fact that the NFL is a "business" isn't justification for f*cking your players in the ass. To trade Betts now would be nothing short of criminal.

How would any of you guys feel if your employer treated you like that? Yeah, these guys are rich, but they are still human, they still have families, and they still have lives. You just don't F with somebody like that, and call it "business". :doh:

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Beemnseven:

You got it right.

The Redskins' front office usually does dress up in clown costumes and clown shoes during the free agency season but they save the full clown wear - and put on the big red noses - only at draft time.

Then during the season they dress up in white shirts and ties to sit in Danny Boy's box at FedEx Field just in case the cameras focus up there. It would be unseemly for someon on SportsCenter to ask, "What the hell is Clarabelle the Clown doing looking over Danny Boy's shoulder?" :cheeky-sm

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;277569]Beemnseven:

You got it right.

The Redskins' front office usually does dress up in clown costumes and clown shoes during the free agency season but they save the full clown wear - and put on the big red noses - only at draft time.

Then during the season they dress up in white shirts and ties to sit in Danny Boy's box at FedEx Field just in case the cameras focus up there. It would be unseemly for someon on SportsCenter to ask, "What the hell is Clarabelle the Clown doing looking over Danny Boy's shoulder?" :cheeky-sm[/quote]

She would be humming a 50's song and serving a milkshake on Roller skates to TomKat.

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ive got a crazy thought....after seeing what betts did in the last 6 games well minus the fumbles i was somewhat suprised with what i saw. Maybe shop Portis....might not get great value due to the injury...but starting to question if he is the right back for the offense we are trying to use.