Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

Portis is a good running back, I just think is style doesn't fit totally what the redskins needs. Which is a power back, that is why Betts idea type of running back. Betts always surges forward when running, even when theres nothing there. Portis runs side to side when he's in trouble. Don't get me wrong Portis is excellent when we call him to run towards the side but when it comes to the gut or between the tackles his success is very low.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

I cannot believe that people accuse Portis of going down easily, not being physical, etc. And for those of you who do rail against Portis' durability, do you think Betts' is any better?

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[QUOTE=jrocx69;370438]No one else has seen portis play half speed???? not just this season, but last season and the season before that, in exception to his first game against tampa. Has no one really seen this??? wow, maybe its not portis's fault....then you raise the question... why do we have him if the coaches run a certain style and we have this style runner? im stunned by alot of you backing portis... 8 year 50 mil running back??? [B]and even this question to come up means he is not worth it period.[/B][/QUOTE]

No, it was to point out: (a) how fickle many fans are; (b) that Betts is NOT more durable than Portis; (c) that Portis has been very productive in D.C.; and (d) to quiet the fans in D.C. that always want to bench the starter and start the guy riding the bench.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

Portis was never a great tackle breaker, but this season he has shown zero ability to make any sort of a play.

I look to a play in the first quarter of yesterday's game as my example. It was a draw play where Portis cut back and Vrabel "legally" horsecollared him to the ground. That play had a ton of open space, some great design, and pretty decent blocking. Vrabel was totally out of position, and all he was able to do was get about three fingers inside Portis' shoulder pads.

Portis has to run through that. If he has to take Vrabel's arm with him, so be it. But you absouletly can not get taken down like that if you are an NFL running back. That play has become far too common this year.

I love the intensity the guy plays with but if he's not going to help us in the running game, we might as well put in someone who can.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

One of the biggest myths in Redskins history is that Betts is a power back.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;370526]I cannot believe that people accuse Portis of going down easily, not being physical, etc. And for those of you who do rail against Portis' durability, do you think Betts' is any better?[/quote]

The answer is that for what each is being paid, we're basically getting roughly equal contribution from both of those guys. Look, I don't see how anybody can look at CP's numbers and think he is not losing it. It's right there, staring you in the face.

The only way Portis can achieve the kinds of yardage we expect is to run him into the ground, which is what we did when he got here. And that approach doesn't come without a price. We're all getting to witness that right now.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

Another Poll

TRASH or LLOYD

Make your pick. The odds of completing a pass downfield to thrash with asante samuel on him is lowe than the odds of us winning that game, agreed?

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370274]I'm not sure it even matters at this point who is in there. There simply aren't many holes to hit.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much says it all. I'm not sure Ladainian Tomlison would find much running room behind this patchwork offensive line.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

Sorry, but this whole debate seems kind of pointless. At this point we're not evaluating the RB on his individual merits because the line is completely debilitated. With a very, very few exceptions a RB is probably only going to be as good as his offensive line. Same goes for about 99% of QBs.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[quote=mheisig;370680]Pretty much says it all. I'm not sure Ladainian Tomlison would find much running room behind this patchwork offensive line.[/quote]

He wouldn't be putting up the same numbers he is now, but there's still been no good explanation for why Portis' effectiveness seems to have decreased every year since he got here, other than the one I proposed.

I mean, you guys can say "Portis is the best back we have" all day long, but it still won't change the fact that he's losing his effectiveness every week and hasn't looked like the guy we traded for in almost 2 years.

The bigger question is can he turn it around. In my view, I don't think so. We squandered his golden years and ran him into the ground.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[quote=mheisig;370684]Sorry, but this whole debate seems kind of pointless. At this point we're not evaluating the RB on his individual merits because the line is completely debilitated. With a very, very few exceptions a RB is probably only going to be as good as his offensive line. Same goes for about 99% of QBs.[/quote]

The problem with this argument is now you're lowering the bar for CP so he can trip over it like "99%" of NFL RB's. We didn't trade the best corner in pro football to the Broncos for some guy who's just as good as any other average NFL back. At the time, he was being compared to guys like LT in terms of franchise career potential.

I mean, the fact that anybody is even looking in Ladell Betts' direction should say something loud and clear about how healthy and effective Portis has been in the last 2 years.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

Betts hasn't done much of anything this year to warrant more carries. I just find it curious that people want to bench a guy averaging 3.9 yards per carry for a guy averaging 2.9. The fact that both guys are struggling so much to me points to a bigger issue. Mainly the injuries and inconsistency along the OL.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[quote=Mattyk72;370740]Betts hasn't done much of anything this year to warrant more carries. I just find it curious that people want to bench a guy averaging 3.9 yards per carry for a guy averaging 2.9. The fact that both guys are struggling so much to me points to a bigger issue. Mainly the injuries and inconsistency along the OL.[/quote]

I agree with that. Both seem to struggle, yet when Betts does no one even complains, but when it is Portis everyone starts saying "injury prone", "something is missing", etc etc. It seems very silly, and as Matty said if you wanna blame anyone blame the Oline.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[QUOTE=dgack;370604]The answer is that for what each is being paid, we're basically getting roughly equal contribution from both of those guys. Look, [B]I don't see how anybody can look at CP's numbers and think he is not losing it. It's right there, staring you in the face[/B].[/QUOTE]

Using that logic, we should dump every guy playing at a skill position. I guess Cooley's best days are behind him too since he got a fat contract and hasn't done much this season. Moss should be dumped too. We should also dump JC since his numbers aren't looking too hot. Why not just dump the entire team and look to free agency?

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[QUOTE=dgack;370735]The problem with this argument is now you're lowering the bar for CP so he can trip over it like "99%" of NFL RB's. We didn't trade the best corner in pro football to the Broncos for some guy who's just as good as any other average NFL back. At the time, he was being compared to guys like LT in terms of franchise career potential.

I mean, the fact that anybody is even looking in Ladell Betts' direction should say something loud and clear about how healthy and effective Portis has been in the last 2 years.[/QUOTE]

To repeat what has been repeated many times before, Champ Bailey was not going to stay in D.C. He told the coaches that they HAD to leave D.C. So, we can complain about losing Bailey all we want, but it was going to happen anyways. And, I distinctly remember everyone being estatic when Portis came to town. Finally, the guy totalled more than 3,000 yards in his first two seasons in D.C. and broke the franchise rushing record. So, I have no reason why people still insist on complaining about the trade.