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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;377675]look, I am all about the Skins making the playoffs, but lets get real people. We are 1-2 in our division, play Dallas twice and NY "football" Giants. Plus we are on the road in Tampa, Minnesota. I am sorry, but I dont think there is anyway in hell we beat the Cowboys. They are too damn good. there is something to say for being die hard fans, but at some point that becomes crazy when you talk about "when we beat the cowboys and giants and this and that" What gives anyone any reason to think we can beat any of those teams? We have not shown anything that gives an impression of being a quality team that can win big games. We fold at the end. Good teams dont fold.

I am sick of hearing the cowboys will start losing, and Green bay will start losing neither can keep up their win streaks.... THEY ARE GOOD TEAMS!! There is a difference there, they find ways to win, make plays when they have to. We find ways to lose and let other teams make the plays. Until we make a change philisophically, this is who we are. Dont you think if anything was going to change it would have all ready. Its been 4 years of the same crap.[/QUOTE]

A realist indeed. I heard this morning that the spread is 10 1/2. I'm surprised it's not more. We saw in the second half against the Eagles the vulnerability of a Taylor-less Redskins secondary, and in a few days we'll be playing against one of the best pass-happy teams in the league. The bottom line is that we only win this game if we score three touchdowns or more, because the Cowboys are going to get in the end zone multiple times, there's just no question about it. And it's not going to be easy for us matching those TDs, because, as we've seen the last two games and as we knew before, the ultimate strength of this team is a Portis-lead running game, and the Cowboys have the fifth best running defense in the league (they average giving up only 86 total running yards a game). So, while we can point to our general success against the Cowboys over the last two seasons, and maybe some intanglibles (like, for example, the ultimate desire of the burgandy and gold to beat the Cowboys), the fact is that we're playing a team this Sunday that has been playing extremely sound football the past nine weeks and is not nearly as injury-damaged as we are right now.

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Its extremely close to a must win this week in Dallas. We are also one week away from moving into a tie for last place in the NFC east. We are an average team & in today's parity ridden NFL alot of average teams wind up going to the playoffs.

Last doesn't cut it in the NFC east. It's a long way from over. I'm not counting us out. However, i don't want to hear we are in 5th place in the NFC. It doesn't make me feel better. Winning this week will make me feel alot better. Gotta do it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;377716]Because he's young.

Going into this week, he was getting picked on 3% of his pass attempts, and the league average tends to be around 1.5%. He also has put the ball on the ground three times. (2006 Grossman was picked on 4% of his pass attempts, 2007 Vince Young on 5.3%)

He will improve as he gets older, but I was overly optimistic on him in the short term.

Sunday's game is what I think he will become in the long run. He's got a ways to go to make that a consistent performance.[/quote]

Gtripp, while the stats might be true, they might not tell the truth. What I mean is, how many of those fumbles and ints. were just flat out good defense or a fluke play as opposed to JC being careless in every situation? We can't quantify that, can we? Or lack of effort from a wide receiver, which we also can't quantify.

When you say the "league trend", understand that is more than likely a very top heavy statistic. For instance, you take three or four quarterbacks, Brady, Garcia, and Gerrard, all of whom have thrown a very low number of interceptions this year. In fact, Gerrard is the only starting NFL quarterback without an interception this year! So those guys alone, skew the stats when looking at the trend. And before Sunday's game, Peyton Manning was definitely in that category too. The majority of the QBs probably fall somewhere in the middle of the pack.

Also I can say with 100% certainty from watching JC, Grossman, and last night, Alex Smith, he's the least mistake prone of the three. He has more poise, and futhermore, he compensates for his errors in ways that stats really don't highlight.

Does he have a learning curve? No question about it. I think his decision making has been questionable at times, but again Peyton Manning threw, what, five or six picks the other night? Romo has a tendency to sling the ball into double coverage too.

I could go on and on, but I think this week's game against Dallas will prove yet again how much Campbell has matured and is maturing right before our eyes.

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[quote=GTripp0012;377716]Because he's young.

Going into this week, he was getting picked on 3% of his pass attempts, and the league average tends to be around 1.5%. He also has put the ball on the ground three times. (2006 Grossman was picked on 4% of his pass attempts, 2007 Vince Young on 5.3%)

He will improve as he gets older, but I was overly optimistic on him in the short term.

Sunday's game is what I think he will become in the long run. He's got a ways to go to make that a consistent performance.[/quote]

So out of those 3% how many were actually his fault? I remember one hitting Moss right in his hands. I remember one where Lloyd didn't even try to go get the ball and so on. Also some of the fumbles were def not his fault too. So again, stats never ever tell the 100% truth yet you seem to live an die with them.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;377736]Huh? Speak for yourself.

Of course it doesn't mean you're not a true fan. But part of being a good boss, Dad, whatever, is striking some balance and finding some middle ground now and then. The constant negativity from the so called realists is what gets tired.[/QUOTE]

I am more than happy to give individual praise,Thrash,Portis,Cambell for example but it's very difficult to be shickled titless with the organization as a whole.

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[quote=12thMan;377744]Gtripp, while the stats might be true, they might not tell the truth. What I mean is, how many of those fumbles and ints. were just flat out good defense or a fluke play as opposed to JC being careless in every situation? We can't quantify that, can we? Or lack of effort from a wide receiver, which we also can't quantify.

When you say the "league trend", understand that is more than likely a very top heavy statistic. For instance, you take three or four quarterbacks, Brady, Garcia, and Gerrard, all of whom have thrown a very low number of interceptions this year. In fact, Gerrard is the only starting NFL quarterback without an interception this year! So those guys alone, skew the stats when looking at the trend. And before Sunday's game, Peyton Manning was definitely in that category too. The majority of the QBs probably fall somewhere in the middle of the pack.


Does he have a learning curve? No question about it. I think his decision making has been questionable at times, but again Peyton Manning threw, what, five or six picks the other night? Romo has a tendency to sling the ball into double coverage too.

I could go on and on, but I think this week's game against Dallas will prove yet again how much Campbell has matured and is maturing right before our eyes.[/quote]

SF really really blew it on Smith. Why they picked him #1 overall still amazes me. I remember when SF came here in 05 and we beat the crap out of them. I was at the game with great seats near the SF bench. I was watching Smith warm up and he just can't throw the ball with any type of consistency at all. I think I remember Ron Jaworski sayinng his hands are too small. What ever it is it's not working cause he can't play QB at the NFL level. JC is soooooo much better than Smith.

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I'm sorry but i dont see us beating dallas without Taylor. You see how bad our defense looked against the Eagles once Taylor came out, Mcnabb definately took advantage of that as soon as it happened. If we can't stop Reggie Brown without him then how the hell can we stop TO and Witten?
:Smoker:

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[quote=GTripp0012;377716]Because he's young.

Going into this week, he was getting picked on 3% of his pass attempts, and the league average tends to be around 1.5%. He also has put the ball on the ground three times. (2006 Grossman was picked on 4% of his pass attempts, 2007 Vince Young on 5.3%)[/quote]

For the record; after this week, Campbell's INT% is 2.7 which puts him at 12th in the league and better than the likes of Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Palmer, Schaub, Brees, and Derek Anderson.

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It is still early to predict the playoffs, but I will give you a view of what is going on right now in the NFC. To make it more clearly:

[B]The Redskins are in 7th place in the NFC, and they are not currently in a wildcard spot right now.[/B]

1) Dallas Cowboys - Record: 8-1 Division: 3-0
2) Greenbay Packers - Record: 8-1 Division: 2-1
3) Seattle Seahawks - Record: 5-4 Division: 3-1
4) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Record: 5-4 Division: 2-0
5) Detroit Lions - Record: 6-3 Division: 2-0
6) New York Giants - Record: 6-3 Division: 2-2
7) Washington Redskins - Record: 5-4 Division: 1-2
8) Arizona Cardinals - Record: 4-5 Division: 2-1
9) Carolina Panthers - Record: 4-5 Division: 2-2
10) New Orleans Saints - Record: 4-5 Division: 1-2


Those are the top 10 contenders in the Playoff Race. Only 6 teams make the playoffs (including wildcards). The Redskins are in 7th place because of their divisional game losses. If the Redskins want to remain a contender, they will need to win the remainder of their in division games including Dallas Cowboys this weekend.

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I made corrections.

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People put too much into where teams stand in the playoff race. Win 10 games and then you will be in the playoffs. There are very few teams that don't make the playoffs with 10 wins. That means a 5-2 finish...and honestly it doesn't matter which 5 you win. It's when your trying to get in with 9 or 8 wins that tie breakers are vital.

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[QUOTE=NinjaLink;377764]It is still early to predict the playoffs, but I will give you a view of what is going on right now in the NFC. To make it more clearly:

[B]The Redskins are in 7th place in the NFC, and they are not currently in a wildcard spot right now.[/B]

1) Dallas Cowboys - Record: 8-1 Division: 3-0
2) Greenbay Packers - Record: 8-1 Division: 2-1
3) Seattle Seahawks - Record: 5-4 Division: 3-1
4) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Record: 5-4 Division: 2-0
5) Detroit Lions - Record: 6-3 Division: 2-0
6) New York Giants - Record: 6-3 Division: 2-2
7) Washington Redskins - Record: 5-4 Division: 1-2
8) Arizona Cardinals - Record: 4-5 Division: 2-1
9) Carolina Panthers - Record: 4-5 Division: 2-2
10) New Orleans Saints - Record: 4-5 Division: 1-2


Those are the top 10 contenders in the Playoff Race. Only 6 teams make the playoffs (including wildcards). The Redskins are in 7th place because of their divisional game losses. If the Redskins want to remain a contender, they will need to win the remainder of their in division games including Dallas Cowboys this weekend.[/QUOTE]

They could lose to Dallas once and NY and still be 10-6...you honestly thing 10-6 does not get a wild card in this awful NFC?

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[QUOTE=Buster;377672]
Nice to see your cup is half empty. :pffff:[/QUOTE]

These are the kinds of posts that get on my nerves. I have been optimistic all season in all of my posts, because I really think we stack up well, I point out that we are third in the wildcard race and I get accused of being a pessimist. You didn't even bother to read the rest of [I]this[/I] post. Buster, please review the NFL playoff structure.

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I like how people mistake being pessimistic with being a realist. They don't go hand in hand. A realist looks at this from all points of view. We could get blown out this week. Then again, we might be taken too lightly and do the unthinkable to Dallas. The Redskins team is good enough to beat Dallas. The Redskins team was/is good enough to beat any team we have played this year, with the exception of New England.

We're not that bad of a team. The injuries have hurt us, but I say we've done good to be at 5-4 despite the injuries. The Redskins-Cowboys rivalry can never be predicted.

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[quote=djnemo65;377914]These are the kinds of posts that get on my nerves. I have been optimistic all season in all of my posts, because I really think we stack up well, I point out that we are third in the wildcard race and I get accused of being a pessimist. You didn't even bother to read the rest of [I]this[/I] post. Buster, please review the NFL playoff structure.[/quote]

Please review the definition of a fan.