Re: Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon;378644]Jason Campbell has a mediocre set of WRs to throw at. That's part of the reason he hasn't had the opportunity to put the team on his back and try to engineer a huge comeback by throwing on every down. That's also the reason the play calling does not go downfield more than once or twice a half.

It takes a special caliber of QB to put up huge numbers and lots of TDs with mediocre receivers. Campbell may be that caliber of QB one of these days but in 2007 he is not.

Before anyone tells me about how great these WRs were or have the potential to be, allow me to remind everyone that the number of TD catches by S. Moss PLUS A. Randle El PLUS B. Lloyd for 2007 equals ZERO. Even the no-account Jets and Dolphins have WRs who have caught TDs this year.

Jason Campbell is evolving as an NFL QB; he's better now than he was last year and better than he was in the early games this year. He'll be just fine. He'll be even better even sooner if he gets to play with a better corps of WRs, but that's not under his control...[/QUOTE]

Mediocre? Come on SC, the receivers are tired of running routes knowing the ball ain't coming their way, why should Moss fight through injuries to get on the field when he's lucky to see 3 passes coming his way, how many balls do we throw deep? Not many, yet every time we do I see one of our WR's open only to be over thrown by Campbell. 0 TD catches doesn't ring a bell that it's the coaching? The worst WR's in the league still get the occasional TD. we have proven game breakers and they can't sniff the end zone. Sorry but trying to blame the WR's on this is just another attempt to deflect blame away from Gibbs, I will even cut Campbell some slack on this one because I think he's just as much affected by Gibbs holding him back as anyone, he needs freedom to get comfortable, he needs to be allowed to consistently throw deep, it's tough to be good at something and get your timing down in game situations if you are never allowed to actually do it, and Gibbs thinks the world is going to end if Campbell throws deep more than twice a game! The way Campbell is progressing under Gibbs he will be ready to win a SB at the age of 50, Campbells progression is going to parallel the teams which is he will stay where he's at until Gibbs either changes or leaves, this team is no better than when he took over 4 years ago, and Campbell wont be either if Gibbs doesn't cut loose the reigns.

Re: Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

LOL blame Gibbs at any cost. Typical.

I think SC has a valid point regarding the WRs. Moss and Randle El have both been dinged up which has hurt their effectiveness. The fact that Thrash stepped in and had perhaps the best day our WRs have had all year is pretty startling and says something about Moss and ARE. Don't get me wrong on ARE, he's had a decent season and has come close to breaking the goal line a few times, but Moss has been a huge disappointment.

Re: Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

What's Dallas week without a little trash talking? Goes back to the Landry and Allen era.

Re: Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;378689]Totally different set of circumstances. Romo has been in the system and with Dallas for 5 years. Although it is his first full year as a starter, he did have a rather large head start in development compared to JC.

JC was more of "trial by fire" when you compare his development to that of Romo.[/QUOTE]

Still he has a brand new coaching staff, new system, and he's even better, Campbell was in no way thrown into the fire, he had a year and a half to learn on the bench, sorry but 3 years for a QB is more than enough time, the NFL career is very short, the 5 year plan is unacceptable when you give up as much as we did to draft Campbell, remember Romo was a low draft pick and didn't cost much, you were afforded that luxury to sit him and rightly so. The fact is Romo spent 4 years in a different system and didn't miss a beat when the system changed when Phillips arrived.

Re: Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;378695]LOL blame Gibbs at any cost. Typical.

I think SC has a valid point regarding the WRs. Moss and Randle El have both been dinged up which has hurt their effectiveness. The fact that Thrash stepped in and had perhaps the best day our WRs have had all year is pretty startling and says something about Moss and ARE. Don't get me wrong on ARE, he's had a decent season and has come close to breaking the goal line a few times, but Moss has been a huge disappointment.[/QUOTE]

I really think Moss is just tired of the same stagnant offense, football is a tough sport it's very hard to get up for if you are not rewarded, a guy like Moss is a home run hitter and Gibbs has him bunting, yes he does have to stay healthy, but I don't think he's in a big hurry either.

ARE has really impressed me with his over all receiving skills, but to put
Thrash ahead of either because he caught a couple of short TD passes?

Re: Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

Im not going to win a popularity contest around here thats for sure. It really isnt blasphemy to criticize Gibbs tho. To me and many others its painfully obvious. Watching the games should be proof enough. To be unhappy with the outcome of games and the way they are being coached doesnt mean you arent a fan. When san fran lost monday night I could give a shit less. Never gave it another thought because Im not a fan of that team. Ive felt like shit since the last skins loss. That makes me and everyone else that still feels sick a FAN.

Re: Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

[quote=offiss;378701]Still he has a brand new coaching staff, new system, and he's even better, Campbell was in no way thrown into the fire, he had a year and a half to learn on the bench, sorry but 3 years for a QB is more than enough time, the NFL career is very short, the 5 year plan is unacceptable when you give up as much as we did to draft Campbell, remember Romo was a low draft pick and didn't cost much, you were afforded that luxury to sit him and rightly so. The fact is Romo spent 4 years in a different system and didn't miss a beat when the system changed when Phillips arrived.[/quote]

Not buying "new system" with respect to Romo, Tony Sparano has been his offensive coach for years and it is still his system that he and Sean Peyton brought to Dallas. The system has not changed. I know most hear about Jason Garret, but Sparano is just as good, and he helps Garrett more than you hear about.

And Romo was never drafted. Yeah, he was an undrafted free agent.

Re: Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

This is a case like it your little brother and you can say whatever to your little brother but as soon as a Cowpunk says something about Campbell oh it's on!!!

Re: Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;378715]Not buying "new system" with respect to Romo, Tony Sparano has been his offensive coach for years and it is still his system that he and Sean Peyton brought to Dallas. The system has not changed. I know most hear about Jason Garret, but Sparano is just as good, and he helps Garrett more than you hear about.

And Romo was never drafted. Yeah, he was an undrafted free agent.[/QUOTE]

I am going off of TO's comments when he said that the Boy's are doing things differently on offense this year compared to last season.

Undrafted? I guess that's as low as you can go. lol

It's still nice to know that an undrafted QB is head and shoulders better than our #1 pick. Just wonderful.:frusty:

Re: Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

[quote=offiss;378707]I really think Moss is just tired of the same stagnant offense, football is a tough sport it's very hard to get up for if you are not rewarded, a guy like Moss is a home run hitter and Gibbs has him bunting, yes he does have to stay healthy, but I don't think he's in a big hurry either.

[B] ARE has really impressed me with his over all receiving skills, but to put
Thrash ahead of either because he caught a couple of short TD passes?[/B][/quote]

I said he had perhaps the best day that all the WRs have had all year. It wasn't just the short TD passes it was some of the other balls he caught down the field that were impressive and really set the tone for the passing game. I believe he had two 31 yard receptions.

Re: Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

JC's stats are somewhat comparable to PR's so I am not all too sure this guy is stating something that is out of line or remotely nasty enough to piss off the Skins to be honest.

Re: Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;378721]I said he had perhaps the best day that all the WRs have had all year. It wasn't just the short TD passes it was some of the other balls he caught down the field that were impressive and really set the tone for the passing game. I believe he had two 31 yard receptions.[/QUOTE]

I hear ya, I just think the other WR's are much better, why their production has been down needs to be explored more deeply.

You do know what my answer to that one is I am sure?;)

Re: Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

[quote=SkinDogg;378699]What's Dallas week without a little trash talking? Goes back to the Landry and Allen era.[/quote]

Hell yeah! Where's the smack? Damn it is Redskins/Cowboys week! No one gets more fired up about a rivalry game! You can't tell me that you do not circle this date on your football calender as soon as the schedule is released!

Re: Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

[quote=sandtrapjack;378727]Hell yeah! Where's the smack? Damn it is Redskins/Cowboys week! No one gets more fired up about a rivalry game! You can't tell me that you do not circle this date on your football calender as soon as the schedule is released![/quote]


yeah but were are missing 4 of our key players for this game 5 if Moss doesnt go. So it is not as intense as it would be if we had our starters or if we were 7-2 or 8-1 like we should be.

Re: Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

[quote=offiss;378725]I hear ya, I just think the other WR's are much better, why their production has been down needs to be explored more deeply.

You do know what my answer to that one is I am sure?;)[/quote]

I agree the offense needs to open up more, but I'm sure even you were encouraged by some of what you saw last week with the no huddle offense and JC going down the field much more often. I really hope we see more of that this weekend.