Re: Rock Cartwright returning?
 

Not to get off subject, but I could see the f.o. looking at drafting a returner if they see the possibilities being good. The guy that makes sense from this standpoint is Deshean Jackson, wr from Cal. He's a burner & returns punts & kickoffs. He may still be there at #21. While I wouldn't otherwise say WR should be our 1st pick, Jackson makes sense at that pick due to his great potential at wr, but mainly because he could have an immediate as a returner.

I believe ARE's days of punt returning are numbered. He's playing more snaps at wr & he just seems to spend more time east to west looking for a big play rather than taking what's there. Rock is nothing special as a kick returner & if you look at the job the blockers did this year, if we had a burner back there we might've seen a couple tds.

In all, I'd hate to see Rock go cause he's been a loyal skin since day 1, but on the biz/football side of it, Gibbs' leaving does not look good for him to remain here.

Re: Rock Cartwright returning?
 

[quote=freddyg12;409627]Not to get off subject, but I could see the f.o. looking at drafting a returner if they see the possibilities being good. The guy that makes sense from this standpoint is Deshean Jackson, wr from Cal. He's a burner & returns punts & kickoffs. He may still be there at #21. While I wouldn't otherwise say WR should be our 1st pick, Jackson makes sense at that pick due to his great potential at wr, but mainly because he could have an immediate as a returner.

I believe ARE's days of punt returning are numbered. He's playing more snaps at wr & he just seems to spend more time east to west looking for a big play rather than taking what's there. Rock is nothing special as a kick returner & if you look at the job the blockers did this year, if we had a burner back there we might've seen a couple tds.

In all, I'd hate to see Rock go cause he's been a loyal skin since day 1, but on the biz/football side of it, Gibbs' leaving does not look good for him to remain here.[/quote]

are has 4 years left of returning... moss can still do it, so can betts.

again, jackson WILL NOT be there at 21. there's just no way that'll happen.

Re: Rock Cartwright returning?
 

[quote=That Guy;409633]are has 4 years left of returning... moss can still do it, so can betts.

again, jackson WILL NOT be there at 21. there's just no way that'll happen.[/quote]

4 years? Maybe he'll be healthy enough to do it for 4 more years, but I question ow effective he'll be over that time. Given his increased role on offense, I don't know how much the coaches will want him to return punts. I really don't think he did a good job this year at it. I understand that on most punt returns there's very little there, but sometimes you have to get the ball & take the 5 yards in front of you rather than trying to dance around looking for a big opening.

It's not a major need, but if 2 birds could be killed w/one stone, it would be a good pick to get a wr w/return ability. Also, Talib the CB from Kansas would fit that bill as well.

I agree that Jackson isn't likely to be there at #21, but I also don't see it as a huge probability that he won't. At this point none of the recievers are being heralded as sure top 10 picks. We'll see how he looks after the combine, he may have Desmond Howard written all over him by then!

Re: Rock Cartwright returning?
 

[quote=freddyg12;409636]4 years? Maybe he'll be healthy enough to do it for 4 more years, but I question ow effective he'll be over that time. Given his increased role on offense, I don't know how much the coaches will want him to return punts. I really don't think he did a good job this year at it. I understand that on most punt returns there's very little there, but sometimes you have to get the ball & take the 5 yards in front of you rather than trying to dance around looking for a big opening.

It's not a major need, but if 2 birds could be killed w/one stone, it would be a good pick to get a wr w/return ability. Also, Talib the CB from Kansas would fit that bill as well.

I agree that Jackson isn't likely to be there at #21, but I also don't see it as a huge probability that he won't. At this point none of the recievers are being heralded as sure top 10 picks. We'll see how he looks after the combine, he may have Desmond Howard written all over him by then![/quote]

if he's desmond howard, then why would we want to waste a pick on him?

Re: Rock Cartwright returning?
 

[quote=That Guy;409642]if he's desmond howard, then why would we want to waste a pick on him?[/quote]

Exactly!

We don't know if he's Desmond Howard, Marvin Harrison, or any no. of mediocre recievers in between. I was just pointing out that I have some apprehension w/drafting a WR in the 1st round, given our track record & for that matter the track record of 1st & 2nd round wr picks in general.

Despite that apprehension, I would feel better about it if we drafted a wr w/return ability & w/the intention that we would look to fill that role on punt & maybe kickoff returns too.

Re: Rock Cartwright returning?
 

[quote=That Guy;409642]if he's desmond howard, then why would we want to waste a pick on him?[/quote]

in addition, I was pointing out that by the time the combine is over his stock may rise or fall significantly.

Re: Rock Cartwright returning?
 

Looks like he's seeking $2mil guaranteed.
[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/02/albright_resigns.html]Albright Re-Signs - Redskins Insider[/url]

Re: Rock Cartwright returning?
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;395834]I agree with that jamf.

Like rock alot as a kick returner/special teamer, hes played well this year. But he's a backup RB here at best or anywhere else IMO.

Looking for a BIG payday in DC, SEE YA!

We have other areas of real concern to be addressed that will be costly. Hes not one.[/quote]He deserved the Betts extension more than Betts did. Rock would have been fine as the number two RB, and has over his career been a better ball carrier than Betts.

But he's not going to climb on the team's depth chart so we can't afford to pay him like a guy who is one play away from being the starter.

Re: Rock Cartwright returning?
 

[quote=onlydarksets;423009]Looks like he's seeking $2mil guaranteed.
[URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/02/albright_resigns.html"]Albright Re-Signs - Redskins Insider[/URL][/quote]That's doable.

4 yrs, 7 million, $2 guarenteed. If he'd sign for that, it'd work for both parties.

Re: Rock Cartwright returning?
 

if he wants more than 4yrs 7 mill, he's replaceable.

Re: Rock Cartwright returning?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;423027]He deserved the Betts extension more than Betts did. Rock would have been fine as the number two RB, and has over his career been a better ball carrier than Betts.

But he's not going to climb on the team's depth chart so we can't afford to pay him like a guy who is one play away from being the starter.[/quote]

They could just let Rock go and have Betts to the same job. Makes sense to me.

Re: Rock Cartwright returning?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;423027]He deserved the Betts extension more than Betts did. Rock would have been fine as the number two RB, and has over his career been a better ball carrier than Betts.

But he's not going to climb on the team's depth chart so we can't afford to pay him like a guy who is one play away from being the starter.[/quote]

Obviously not he didn't get the extension betts did. What makes you think he deserved it more?

I disagree with the thinking of Rock being fine at the #2 RB position and I guess the coach's do to due to hes never been in that role Rocks not a #2 RB in this league IMO. When Rock has been given any time in the backfield I have been very unimpressed. Rock is a really solid kick off return specialist/teamer, thats it.

I like rock a lot hes a fiery good return guy, thats been a good Redskin. But I think his time is up here OR he will be settling for a lot less cash flow than he thinks he's worth.

I also agree with the thinking of Betts filling in the role of possibly the new kick of return specialist and just let rock test the market.

Re: Rock Cartwright returning?
 

Listning to Rock state his position, sounds as if he's looking for an increased role within the offense, an opportunity he won't get here.

I like him for the role he plays, and wouldn't mind seeing him return but not for a multi mil contract. As much as I like him I'd still like to see an up-grade for KOR, someone with a little more speed & elusiveness.

Re: Rock Cartwright returning?
 

Rock career YPC: 4.4
Betts career YPC: 4.2

Rock career TD/Carry: .041
Betts career TD/Carry: .015

Rock is the better ballcarrier of the two. Though Betts is more of a threat out of the backfield in the passing game, Rock is the better KR guy of the two.

That's why he deserved the deal Betts got.

Re: Rock Cartwright returning?
 

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;423051]Rock career YPC: 4.4
Betts career YPC: 4.2

Rock career TD/Carry: .041
Betts career TD/Carry: .015

Rock is the better ballcarrier of the two. Though Betts is more of a threat out of the backfield in the passing game, Rock is the better KR guy of the two.

That's why he deserved the deal Betts got.[/QUOTE]

I think it may be a little unfair to compre the two statistically when Rock's sample isn't very big at all. I think most real football minds would say Betts is a better RB than Rock.