Re: Man, is Sally Jenkins dating Antonio Pierce?
 

So we now instintually listen to everyone who has an opinion on something that they have never taken part in. Please!

I've seen countless times people in this group talk about someone not knowing what they are talking about because they havent played football! And please dont lie and say that it hasnt happened, because we all know when people start talkin about what they want to see in the draft, free agency, and our play calling that is thrown around an awful lot.

So spare me the inconsistent examples, and stop trying to make me out to be something that I am not.

As for me and my inside scoop...lol. I reported that the Jets were interested in Betts for a 2nd rounder, and guess who they did get for a second rounder - Thomas Jones. So there,, the trade did happen, just not for us.

I like how you wanna act like you know me man. You make comments about me, and I didnt go at you or anyone else in this forum like that. I think you should stick to the issue as well, and I would appreciate it if kept me and my PAST business out of your mouth and off of this forum. I would think that an apology is in order. Like I did to those who I have offended, you should do the same, but can I realistically expect that? Time will tell.

The only thing I ask from this forum is that we objectively talk about the issues. we would be better off. I never said anything bad about women. I just said I dont listen to thing that they havent participated in, and, for me, that goes fro politics, sports, and religion. I just want you all to see the "nature" of my comment before you lash out. Maybe you want to even ask me for clarification before you jump the gun. If that would have happened at first, then maybe we wouldnt bee here.

Is it too much to ask the moderators to help facilitate that type of discourse? Once again, time will tell.

PS.
Sean and Clayton dont do that segment anymore in video(now in radio), because of all the animosity that played out. Whether it was playful or not, its not a staple of ESPN as it once was.

PPS
In the broadcast booth for football games, when do u ever see the announcer, whether it be Joe Buck or Pat Summerall, comment on the intricacies of actual gameplay? That is reserved for the ex-coaches and players. Dennis Miller, when he was on MNF, would often over step that line, and due to that, among other reason, he was consequently fired.

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Sally Jenkins is doing exactly what she has set out to do. To write the most scathing commentary that she possibly can about the Redskins, because it draws attention. Look at it like this, it should fuel the fire for Danny boy to do whatever he can to turn the Redskins into winners. Until the Redskins win the Super Bowl, I'd expect more of the same from her.

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[QUOTE=SkinsFanSince91;418778]It is what it is, but at the same time, [B]where else in the world do we let people with no experience in an arena consistently write errant reports and bad mouth and organization in which that person has had no idea on whats is good from the ground up? Sports is the only place that we tolerate it[/B], and I am not sexist, not by any means. Like I said the statement may sound that way, but realistically, I wouldn't want to listen to someone comment on politics who hasnt been involved in that arena. That also goes for science, religion, and, in this case, sports.

People have made the same comment about John Clayton from ESPN. Matter of fact, when he and Sean Salsbury(sp) go at it on the shows, Sean makes fun of him for commenting on a game he NEVER played. It just so happens that this OP/ED is written by a woman, and whether we like to admit it or not, gender does play a certain, small part in why she lacks ethos to comment on football.

I apologize if I offended any of the forum members, but I stand by my comments.

Peace[/QUOTE]

Wow. Well that pretty much rules out reading any newspaper or watching the news. Stupid journalists never were the President of the US, CEO of Microsoft, a soldier in a war, or a cloud in the sky (for those who dare to cover the weather). ;)

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[QUOTE=SkinsFanSince91;418834]I just said I dont listen to thing that they havent participated in, and, for me, that goes fro politics, sports, and religion.[/QUOTE]

Many of the best coaches never played pro football and some never played college football. Yet, they were still given chances and thrived.

You don't listen to people who haven't had experience in politics about political matters? Really? You do realize that politics is about everything under the sun and politicians are not really experts in anything other than running campaigns, fundraising, and public speaking. For example, I listen to "non-politicans" when it comes to military affairs, health care experts when it comes to health care issues, and economists when it comes to economic issues.

As for religion, you only listen to people who have participated in religion? What does that mean?

I don't think you really meant what you said.

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[QUOTE=redwagonskins;418839]Wow. Well that pretty much rules out reading any newspaper or watching the news. Stupid journalists never were the President of the US, CEO of Microsoft, a soldier in a war, or a cloud in the sky (for those who dare to cover the weather). ;)[/QUOTE]

I feel where you are coming from, but most of the journalists who write those columns DO have experience. In brief, newspaper sections has "specialized" reporters who have some type of experience to write on. Some are hands on, and some aren't. However, I still do look at every newspaper article, especially those on politics and religion, with a certain degree of reasonable suspicion.

So I do watch the news, but I dont read into it too much. However, I understand your perspective

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Ok, let's take this piece by piece

[QUOTE]So we now instintually listen to everyone who has an opinion on something that they have never taken part in. Please![/QUOTE] I'll respond once I figure out what "instintually" means

[QUOTE]I've seen countless times people in this group talk about someone not knowing what they are talking about because they havent played football! And please dont lie and say that it hasnt happened, because we all know when people start talkin about what they want to see in the draft, free agency, and our play calling that is thrown around an awful lot.[/QUOTE] You're right it is, and it shouldn't be. Usually when someone makes that comment it's quickly shut down as an errant comment

[QUOTE]So spare me the inconsistent examples, and stop trying to make me out to be something that I am not.[/QUOTE] Nothing inconsistent, but fine.

[QUOTE]As for me and my inside scoop...lol. I reported that the Jets were interested in Betts for a 2nd rounder, and guess who they did get for a second rounder - Thomas Jones. So there,, the trade did happen, just not for us.[/QUOTE] Touche

[QUOTE]I like how you wanna act like you know me man. You make comments about me, and I didnt go at you or anyone else in this forum like that. I think you should stick to the issue as well, and I would appreciate it if kept me and my PAST business out of your mouth and off of this forum. I would think that an apology is in order. Like I did to those who I have offended, you should do the same, but can I realistically expect that? Time will tell.[/QUOTE] I think you completely misread my point. You have stated here that you are/were the Chipotle dude at Wizards games and that's how you got this unique access to Wizards games. And I was simply saying that it would be ridiculous for anyone of us to say "well then keep your participation on this board to that. I'll take a page out your book here...I apologize if I offended any of the forum members, but I stand by my comments.

[QUOTE]The only thing I ask from this forum is that we objectively talk about the issues. we would be better off. I never said anything bad about women. I just said I dont listen to thing that they havent participated in, and, for me, that goes fro politics, sports, and religion. I just want you all to see the "nature" of my comment before you lash out. Maybe you want to even ask me for clarification before you jump the gun. If that would have happened at first, then maybe we wouldnt bee here.[/QUOTE] Ok, clarify.

[QUOTE]Is it too much to ask the moderators to help facilitate that type of discourse? Once again, time will tell.[/QUOTE] To be honest, some discourse isn't worth facilitating

[QUOTE]PS.
Sean and Clayton dont do that segment anymore in video(now in radio), because of all the animosity that played out. Whether it was playful or not, its not a staple of ESPN as it once was.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm not sure I'm the one you want to argue with over what ESPN does or why it does what it does

[QUOTE]PPS
In the broadcast booth for football games, when do u ever see the announcer, whether it be Joe Buck or Pat Summerall, comment on the intricacies of actual gameplay? That is reserved for the ex-coaches and players. Dennis Miller, when he was on MNF, would often over step that line, and due to that, among other reason, he was consequently fired[/QUOTE] I don't think Sally Jenkins was talking about the intricacies of actual gameplay. And I can't believe I'm here defending her

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;418514][I]I wrote the following e-mail to Sally. [/I]

I have several problems with your article suggesting that Steve Spagnuolo should run away from Dan Snyder and the Redskins.

First, Spagnuolo might be wise to cash in while he's hot. As Gregg Williams and other coordinators know all too well, head coaching opportunities don't always a come a knockin'. That's why Al Davis (who is Dan Snyder on crack, meth and junk) can always find a new victim and why guys like Romeo Crennel work for the once laughable Browns. If the Giants defense has a sub-par 2008 season or, worse, implodes this upcoming season, Spagnuolo will not be on too many head coaching short lists.

Second, the notion that the Redskins cannot win without a general manager is simply wrong. Many teams do quite well without GMs (Dallas, the #1 seed in the NFC, has a GM named Mr. Jones). Many teams with respected GMs don't do so well (see the Texans' record under Charley Casserly). Moreover, many hot coaching candidates want some or total control over personnel. Danny went that route in 2000 with Marty and 2003 with Spurrier and, suffice it to say, neither venture was particularly successful.

Third, your article suggests that it is unreasonable to believe that Snyder would have retained Tom Coughlin after last season. Steve Spurrier posted back to back losing seasons (the second of which was flat out embarassing), yet Snyder backed Spurrier at every turn. Joe Gibbs also woefully unperformed in 2 of his 4 seasons, yet Snyder wanted to sign him to an extension.

Fourth, you scoff at the notion that the Redskins could ever find contributors in the lower rounds of the draft. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with H.B. Blades, Reed Doughty, Anthony Montgomery, and Kedric Golston, as well as undrafted free agents Chris Wilson, Lorenzo Alexander, Stephon Heyer, and Leigh Torrence. That's not to mention former players like Lemar Marshall and Antonio Pierce.

Fifth, your article repeatedly praises the Giants ownership and front office for its patience. I find a great deal of irony in that view. As your article conceded, the Giants were in total disarray for several years and many players openly and privately questioned Tom Coughlin's leadership abilities. Perhaps you should be 1/2 as patient with Dan Snyder as the Mara family has been with Tom Coughlin.

I know that you are writing an op-ed, not a news article. I also know that we are in the Fox News/Bush era of "us versus them," where people abuse hyperbole after hyperbole to get their point across. If nuance were a stock, it would be worthless. BUT, it would be nice to read an op-ed every once in a while that is truly "fair and balanced." Sadly, you and the people at extremeskins.com are two sides of the same coin.[/QUOTE]

Wow, simply sensational (period)

P.S. Please post a response if that grumpy B decides she has enough balls to respond to that masterpiece.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;418794]How many of us have played in the NFL?

So what gives us any credibility? Because we played some high school ball or because we play Madden??[/QUOTE]


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THANK YOU!!!!! I could not have said it better!

Re: Man, is Sally Jenkins dating Antonio Pierce?
 

who's sally jenkins???i live way out in the boonies so i have never heard of her!

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;418778]It is what it is, but at the same time, where else in the world do we let people with no experience in an arena consistently write errant reports and bad mouth and organization in which that person has had no idea on whats is good from the ground up? Sports is the only place that we tolerate it, and I am not sexist, not by any means. Like I said the statement may sound that way, but realistically, I wouldn't want to listen to someone comment on politics who hasnt been involved in that arena. That also goes for science, religion, and, in this case, sports.

People have made the same comment about John Clayton from ESPN. Matter of fact, when he and Sean Salsbury(sp) go at it on the shows, Sean makes fun of him for commenting on a game he NEVER played. It just so happens that this OP/ED is written by a woman, and whether we like to admit it or not, gender does play a certain, small part in why she lacks ethos to comment on football.

I apologize if I offended any of the forum members, but [U][B]I stand by my comments.[/B][/U]

Peace[/quote]

Your comment was that women shouldn't do men's sports. Why would you single out women? Did Curt Menafee, Bob Costas, John Clayton, Lenny Pastabelly, Mike Wise, Tony Kornhieser, Michael Wilbon, or Jason La Canfora play pro football? Of course not. So, yes, it's sexist, but moreover, it's just a stupid comment to make.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;418854]Ok, let's take this piece by piece

I'll respond once I figure out what "instintually" means

You're right it is, and it shouldn't be. Usually when someone makes that comment it's quickly shut down as an errant comment

Nothing inconsistent, but fine.

Touche

I think you completely misread my point. You have stated here that you are/were the Chipotle dude at Wizards games and that's how you got this unique access to Wizards games. And I was simply saying that it would be ridiculous for anyone of us to say "well then keep your participation on this board to that. I'll take a page out your book here...I apologize if I offended any of the forum members, but I stand by my comments.

Ok, clarify.

To be honest, some discourse isn't worth facilitating

Yeah I'm not sure I'm the one you want to argue with over what ESPN does or why it does what it does

I don't think Sally Jenkins was talking about the intricacies of actual game play. And I can't believe I'm here defending her[/QUOTE]

By Instinctually, I am referring to the "truth bias" that pertains to the individual and the "media bias" that is peddled on behalf of the masses. We automatically or innately assume that the people that we speak to, or the persons that report the news are correct or credible sources because of their positions. So if one were to have a defensive mindset to that aspect(e.g. my comments to the perspective of Sally Jenkins), then the burden of proof would be on the communicator to prove to one's self that their observations are so valid and poignant, that the nature of their inexperience is of no consequence to the listener or reader. All, I was saying is that I believe a more critical apprach is needed when evaluating aspects of the media.

As for clarification, in retrospect, I maybe should have said that I "question" instead of "I don't listen to," and how much "one" can really know about something that they haven't played or in which they were a participant, rather than use "woman" or "SJ." Those comments may not have taken as much heat, but at the same time, I did the exact thing, but I was just more specific with that example.

I agree some discourse isn't worth facilitating, but just as ignorant as that discourse may be, it is just as ignorant to preclude someone's perspective before you understand where that someone is coming from and/or meant.

I really laughed out loud, at your disbelief in defending SJ....that was comedy

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;418901]Your comment was that women shouldn't do men's sports. Why would you single out women? Did Curt Menafee, Bob Costas, John Clayton, Lenny Pastabelly, Mike Wise, Tony Kornhieser, Michael Wilbon, or Jason La Canfora play pro football? Of course not. So, yes, it's sexist, but moreover, it's just a stupid comment to make.[/QUOTE]

Ok, this is getting out of hand, so Im going to say this, while you all make valid points, you consistently seem to be missing MY point. Yes, all of these names that you have mentioned are great journalists, but journalism has never qualified anyone to do anything but "comment" on a matter, rather than "criticize" the issue. Criticism is reserved for participants (e.g. coaches, players, and front office) who have a deeper understating of the intricacies of the game. Furthermore, no full-time journalist, no matter how great he/she is, has ever been considered for head coaching role (on any level in any sport) or that of the analyst in the booth. In all cases it is generally an announcer/commentator and an analyst, who has had some affiliation with the sport in question.

I am not picking on women either, because the comments I made do go to both men and women. I just thought that most would pick up on the implicit part of my statement, but yes, its does go for men too. If Pat Summit were to give me some pointers on how to coach, I'd be eager to hear them, and the same thing goes if i could get some pointers on jump shots from Diana Turassi As a result, I hold in "higher regard" the opinions of John Madden(who's game I have played since it debuted), Troy Aikman, Jimmy Johnson, Sonny Jurgs, Joey T, Howie Long, and Steve Mariucci because they have played pr coached. They all have more credibility to criticize, and they always will. To explain further, that is the larger view of the comments relating to SJ.

So because of these things, just to clarify again, I am weary of any man or, in this case, woman who comments on anything that they haven't played. I shouldn't have said I don't listen to them because I do. I retrospect, I hold their comments in lower regard when compared to those who have never played, and they (op/eds) have to prove more in their arguments to me because of the aforementioned points.

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So do you hold all our opinions (our non-playing opinions) on this board in low regard as well?

And if so, what were you hoping to accomplish by joining the site in the first place?

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I do have esteem for the opinions and comments of everyone in this forum and on The Warpath. I have esteem for the opinions of those who have not played football, coached, or have been part of a sports organization. I respect those with journalism backgrounds.

However, to those on here who have played, coached, or been part of sports organizations, I consider their comments and opinions to hold more weight.

As to why I joined up to the Warpath, I am a die hard fan, and I want to be able to talk about football with like minded people year round. I don't mind conversation. I don't even mind disagreements. I do, from time to time, have to clarify my statements to other members. Thats is what happened today.

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;418927]So because of these things, just to clarify again, I am weary of any man or, in this case, woman who comments on anything that they haven't played. I shouldn't have said I don't listen to them because I do. I retrospect, I hold their comments in lower regard when compared to those who have never played, and they (op/eds) have to prove more in their arguments to me because of the aforementioned points.[/quote]

I assume there are exceptions?
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