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[quote=Schneed10;456165]Financial lesson of the day: Debt does not equal ownership. Equity equals ownership.[/quote]


They're [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Investment_Corporation"]working on that[/URL] with a 200 billion dollar chest.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;456162]Your attempt at humor/sarcasm is going over about as good as Bush's did.[/quote]

*punches air* :woot:

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[QUOTE=steveo395;456093]except it wasn't the truth because China is the biggest polluter.[/QUOTE]

This was the point. China and to an extent, India, are the big polluters and the fastest growing industrial economies to boot. And they are not held to the same standard--which is why the Kyoto treaty was night signed. He made a tongue-in-cheek remark about the villainization of America. And I love his candor.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;456171]wasn't this one of the main arguments against president Clinton? the office of president should be held to a higher standard? i can get as tacky as the next guy, but like schneed said, you MUST know your audience. you can take the boy out of the country, but never take the country out of the boy. Bush has been a disaster[/QUOTE]

Truth is, the Europeans love Clinton. And cheating on his wife is a non-issue. Americans were upset about the Clinton scandal because adultury in the White House, is unbecoming to a US President to its own citizenry.

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The G8 is a joke anyways. They're more about politics and finances than caring about the environment.

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[quote=firstdown;456163]Why is everyone so worried about what everyone else thinks about us? Do you live your life worried about what everyone else thinks about you? If it was so bad here why do we have so many people wanting to come to the US? I think this stuff is just a bunch of BS. There is a special on the Discovery ch. talking about China & the US trade and how we depend on them as much as they depend on us. Everyone they interview over their seems very positive toward the US. One thing funny on that show is that they view Wall Mart as an up scale store.[/quote]

Best post of the thread.

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[quote=saden1;456173]They're [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Investment_Corporation"]working on that[/URL] with a 200 billion dollar chest.[/quote]

Not sure why that's relevant from a financial standpoint?

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[quote=FRPLG;456152]This is partially correct but the bigger reason is that our infrastructure is totally oil based. We have the world's largest interstate highway system and the majority of our goods travel via it as well as our populice using it to go and fro. Many other industrialized nations have more comprehensive public transportation and rail systems for moving goods. Plus we have the world's biggest economy so we simply have more volume to produce pollution. I am not making an excuse but the notion that we are just lazy and don't care isn't toally right.[/quote]

we're also not densely populate, leading to a bigger need to move more farther than say, england would.

and we've also got the biggest military, which cares about this much () when it comes to eco-friendly weaponry and combat systems.

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[quote=Schneed10;456192]Not sure why that's relevant from a financial standpoint?[/quote]

It's equity...Money talks and loves you long long time.

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[quote=saden1;456197]It's equity...Money talks and loves you long long time.[/quote]

No, it's not equity. It's debt.

But it's hard to take you seriously today. I'm going to start calling you 1nedas on days like this!

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He wasn't the first and he won't be the last President (or even politician) to use questionable judgement while making a joke. This isn't exclusive to Bush.

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[quote=Schneed10;456198]No, it's not equity. It's debt.

But it's hard to take you seriously today. I'm going to start calling you 1nedas on days like this![/quote]

10% stake in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_equity"]private equity[/URL] firm Blackstone Group (a company solely in the business of buying and selling other companies for a quick profit) and 10% stake in Morgan Stanly isn't equity? I suppose I shouldn't worry too much, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_International_Capital"]Dubai International Capital[/URL] will rescue us from the Chinese with their $875 billion [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_wealth_fund#Largest_sovereign_wealth_funds"]debt ownership funds[/URL].

-1nedas

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[quote=saden1;456213]10% stake in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_equity"]private equity[/URL] firm Blackstone Group (a company solely in the business of buying and selling other companies for a quick profit) and 10% stake in Morgan Stanly isn't equity? I suppose I shouldn't worry too much, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_International_Capital"]Dubai International Capital[/URL] will rescue us from the Chinese with their $875 billion [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_wealth_fund#Largest_sovereign_wealth_funds"]debt ownership funds[/URL].

-1nedas[/quote]

You're misunderstanding, or maybe I'm not being clear. You can own assets from the issuance of debt, but that doesn't mean you own the country or it's government. In other words, I'm saying that if we default on the debt (would never happen, but think hypothetically), China has no legal or contractual claim to come in and take over our government.

And if China owns a 10% stake in our corporations, that does not get included in the National Debt or deficit figures. Those foreign investments are accounted for elsewhere.

- APC ,01deenhcS

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Yawn.

This is news? When the hell does the season start anyway...