Re: Dem. John Edwards admits to affair, political career possibly over
 

[quote=Mattyk72;464064]Thank you for getting my simple point.[/quote]
But you call us out when we say Clinton was part of a problem and stuff like that. Which was my point.

Re: Dem. John Edwards admits to affair, political career possibly over
 

I can't believe a lawyer would cheat on his wife. I'm going to have to take some time to re-evaluate my shaken worldview.

But seriously, Edwards political career was over a long time ago anyway.

Two failed runs for the nomination should be the limit for serious candidates. After that you're basically in Joe Biden territory.

Re: Dem. John Edwards admits to affair, political career possibly over
 

[quote=firstdown;464122]But you call us out when we say Clinton was part of a problem and stuff like that. Which was my point.[/quote]

Apples and oranges. I'm at least sticking to the general topic of cheating politicians. When we're talking about issues involving the current administration and you just want to keep piling it back on previous administrations I just think that's lame and passing the buck.

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I guess I'm in the minority here, because I actually *do* care if a politician cheats on his wife. It is a sign of weak character, and if you're concerned with lobbyists influencing the government, then you better damn sure be concerned about a politician's character. To me, there is nothing more important about a person than their character -- be it a politician, trash collector, or otherwise.

Re: Dem. John Edwards admits to affair, political career possibly over
 

[QUOTE=Buster;464059]John Edwards offered some advice to Russia in their conflict with Georgia:

"Russia better pull out quickly or they will be in trouble."[/QUOTE]

LOL. Shame that this post got lost in the midst of everything else

Re: Dem. John Edwards admits to affair, political career possibly over
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;464135]I guess I'm in the minority here, because I actually *do* care if a politician cheats on his wife. It is a sign of weak character, and if you're concerned with lobbyists influencing the government, then you better damn sure be concerned about a politician's character. To me, there is nothing more important about a person than their character -- be it a politician, trash collector, or otherwise.[/quote]
Thank you.

Anyone who assumes a position of leadership should be held to a higher standard. To whom much is given, much is required.

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Perhaps it is a shame that in today's society this stuff has become so common that it doesn't even bother us. Yeah it's a knock on their character, but everyone makes mistakes both big and small. It's how they recover from it that is telling to me.

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[quote=Lady Brave;464139]Thank you.

Anyone who assumes a position of leadership should be held to a higher standard. To whom much is given, much is required.[/quote]
i don't know if i agree with this. people look at J.F.K as a great leader. that man fooled around more then alittle. i think there are 2 separate issues. i think great leaders don't have to be morally perfect. as long as they can make good, crisp decisions, in time of stress. im not sure where the weak character, as someone else said, comes into play

Re: Dem. John Edwards admits to affair, political career possibly over
 

[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;464135]I guess I'm in the minority here, because I actually *do* care if a politician cheats on his wife. It is a sign of weak character, and if you're concerned with lobbyists influencing the government, then you better damn sure be concerned about a politician's character. To me, there is nothing more important about a person than their character -- be it a politician, trash collector, or otherwise.[/QUOTE]

I think most of us do care. But as matty pointed out, we are used to it. It's virtually impossible to be a politician with high character.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;464142]Perhaps it is a shame that in today's society this stuff has become so common that it doesn't even bother us. Yeah it's a knock on their character, but everyone makes mistakes both big and small. [b]It's how they recover from it that is telling to me.[/b][/QUOTE]

You're right. Ultimately, the true test of a person's character is how they react to adversity, and how they overcome their mistakes. I guess cheating on my wife is just a mistake that I would never make. I'm not insinuating any of you guys would do that. There are just some things that are really hard to forgive.

As for a President's character, I want them to do the "right" thing. The morally right thing -- not the right thing for America. It may sound silly, but I'd much rather people base their decisions on morals rather than nationalism, security, etc. -- even if it meant trouble for the country. Unfortunately, that is not how government is designed to work.

Re: Dem. John Edwards admits to affair, political career possibly over
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;464156]You're right. Ultimately, the true test of a person's character is how they react to adversity, and how they overcome their mistakes. I guess cheating on my wife is just a mistake that I would never make. I'm not insinuating any of you guys would do that. There are just some things that are really hard to forgive.

As for a President's character, I want them to do the "right" thing. The morally right thing -- not the right thing for America. It may sound silly, but I'd much rather people base their decisions on morals rather than nationalism, security, etc. -- even if it meant trouble for the country. Unfortunately, that is not how government is designed to work.[/quote]
That makes no sense at all. A president is elected to do the right things for Americia. Now if they have good sound morals then that should help them make good strong decisions but making the right choice for this country comes first and I don't think you have to throw morals out the window to do that.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;464162]That makes no sense at all. A president is elected to do the right things for Americia. Now if they have good sound morals then that should help them make good strong decisions but making the right choice for this country comes first and I don't think you have to throw morals out the window to do that.[/QUOTE]

So, you justify immoral actions based on the good of the country? Do you also justify immoral actions based on what's best for you? Machiavellianism at its worst... Sigh.

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All I have to say is when my son says to me "Mom, I want to be president some day..".. my response is always "..then you better keep your nose clean.".. The majority of Americans expect our leaders to have a good moral compass, period. It's just the way it is, and I hope it continues to be that way for years and years to come.

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While the offense is troublesome, it's the subsequent lying that's more odious. Don't lie to me. Don't be a f'ing weasel, be a man and tell the truth...that is expected of you as someone who represents others.

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and this is news.......you think he is the only political person who has sleeped around..... i'm sure more than half have done it........