Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Whiteboi_J;521959]I understand we need help on both lines, but i don't like takin' DL in the 1st b/c they generally aren't productive their first year...I'm a fan of drafting a OT and having him start RT, or split time with Samules with Heyer starting at RT, but with if all the top ones are gone, and the rest are not worth picking at 13? do we jus say F it and grab the best available OT even if they are a 20-25 projection and we drafting 13???[/quote]

Can I get an amen!!! This post just brings a tear to my eye. Though as much as I want to draft O-Line I would still want to bring in BJ Rali provided he was available at 13 and the Big 4 are gone.

On another note does anyone have any idea if Channing Crowder could end up being one of the three or four value free agents we pursue this offseason? I mean the guy would fill a need and he's definitely got the size to play SLB.

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Raji may not even make it past the Bengals at #6

Lot of speculation at this point, but from all I've heard if the draft were today I could see something like

1. Lions-Andre Smith
2. Rams-Eugene Monroe
3. Chiefs-Aaron Curry
4. Seahawks-Michael Crabtree
5. Browns-Malcolm Jenkins
6. Bengals-BJ Raji
7. Raiders-Percy Harvin
8. Jaguars-Jeremy Maclin
9. Packers-Jason Smith
10. 49ers-Mark Sanchez
11. Bills-Brian Orakpo
12. Broncos-Everette Brown

Wich drops Oher into our lap, or the intriguing possibility of Stafford who we definitely don't want (I don't think) but could possibly leverage. The wildcard is that 6-8 spot, because all of those teams could be eyeing a OL there.

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[quote=SmootSmack;521981]Raji may not even make it past the Bengals at #6

Lot of speculation at this point, but from all I've heard if the draft were today I could see something like

1. Lions-Andre Smith
2. Rams-Eugene Monroe
3. Chiefs-Aaron Curry
4. Seahawks-Michael Crabtree
5. Browns-Malcolm Jenkins
6. Bengals-BJ Raji
7. Raiders-Percy Harvin
8. Jaguars-Jeremy Maclin
9. Packers-Jason Smith
10. 49ers-Mark Sanchez
11. Bills-Brian Orakpo
12. Broncos-Everette Brown

Wich drops Oher into our lap, or the intriguing possibility of Stafford who we definitely don't want (I don't think) but could possibly leverage. The wildcard is that 6-8 spot, because all of those teams could be eyeing a OL there.[/quote]

Being a Georgia Boy I'm a gonna say that that der Matt Stafford dun make it past Kansas Sity.

By the way I hate Georgia, but as we get towards the combine I think we'll see Stafford shoot back up the draft boards.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;521981]Raji may not even make it past the Bengals at #6

Lot of speculation at this point, but from all I've heard if the draft were today I could see something like

1. Lions-Andre Smith
2. Rams-Eugene Monroe
3. Chiefs-Aaron Curry
4. Seahawks-Michael Crabtree
5. Browns-Malcolm Jenkins
6. Bengals-BJ Raji
7. Raiders-Percy Harvin
8. Jaguars-Jeremy Maclin
9. Packers-Jason Smith
10. 49ers-Mark Sanchez
11. Bills-Brian Orakpo
12. Broncos-Everette Brown

Wich drops Oher into our lap, or the intriguing possibility of Stafford who we definitely don't want (I don't think) but could possibly leverage. The wildcard is that 6-8 spot, because all of those teams could be eyeing a OL there.[/quote]

If it goes down down that way and we pass on Oher, I may just give up on life.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

Double post, my bad.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=GMScud;521988]If it goes down down that way and we pass on Oher, I may just give up on life.[/quote]

I'll change my name to ScudSmack for a week in your honor :)

I'm still not 100% sold on Oher. But I won't complain if we got him

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;521993]I'll change my name to ScudSmack for a week in your honor :)

I'm still not 100% sold on Oher. [B]But I won't complain if we got him[/B][/quote]

In the last 8 or 9 seasons, we've only used two picks before the 5th round on lineman - Reinhart and Dockery (ZERO on D-line). That's deplorable. I'll be dancing a friggin jig if we draft him. He's projected top 15 by most "experts."

I'd probably rather have Jason Smith, but really, who are we to be picky? The fact that we're even considering lineman in the first round is just awesome.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=GMScud;521994]In the last 8 or 9 seasons, we've only used two picks before the 5th round on lineman - Reinhart and Dockery (ZERO on D-line). That's deplorable. I'll be dancing a friggin jig if we draft him. He's projected top 15 by most "experts."

I'd probably rather have Jason Smith, but really, who are we to be picky? The fact that we're even considering lineman in the first round is just awesome.[/quote]

What do you know about Jason Smith as a Run Blocker because the impression I get from reading profiles make me think that he's more of a finesse guy rather then a mauler.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

I watched all 5+ minutes of the Cushing clip and have to say I wasn't amazed. I noticed he regularly "loses" his legs when tackling, using his mass to drag down the RB. First off that won't fly in the NFL where backs are so big and strong they can run through someone dragging them down, but my 2nd concern is whether Cushing has the speed to chase down a speedy back i.e. is he losing his legs because he's forced to dive for the RB instead of running through him? Also, on the recovery vs Notre Dame it looked like Cushing was caught from behind from a guy who started far back and had to cover a lot of distance. Was the kid from ND lightning quick or again is Cushing just lacking top end speed?

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oh yeah, and his durability is rated below average. How the hell does that translate into a 13 overall pick? For one thing he'd be replacing a guy who's only real drawback is durability.

...I'm just not sold this is the guy we want @ 13. I say let somebody else take the risk on him so early but if we trade down/get more picks from trading player(s) then give him a chance in the 2nd round.

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The simple fact that we honestly believe that the Skins are going to draft again is great news in my book. Even if they don't trade and don't get anymore picks. If they improve on last years draft then we'll get two productive players (perhaps the first pick) that will start.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;521993]I'll change my name to ScudSmack for a week in your honor :)

I'm still not 100% sold on Oher. But I won't complain if we got him[/quote]

Seeing how Vinny has stated he wants more draft picks. How feasible is it that we'll use the first and not trade down. If we've only got four then how does Vinny get more? Wouldn't it be safe to say we might trade a guy for a second rounder this year and a third next year? I can also see him trading down to get more picks. Is seven picks consisting of OT, C, OG, OLB, with a DB and or a DE sound right? Most of the posts and talking heads seem to agree that we all NEED these positions and this would make the most sense in getting them?

Re: Brian Cushing
 

I hope the board does turn out the way Smootsmack has it because then we won't take Brian Cushings.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;522036]Seeing how Vinny has stated he wants more draft picks. How feasible is it that we'll use the first and not trade down. If we've only got four then how does Vinny get more? Wouldn't it be safe to say we might trade a guy for a second rounder this year and a third next year? I can also see him trading down to get more picks. Is seven picks consisting of OT, C, OG, OLB, with a DB and or a DE sound right? Most of the posts and talking heads seem to agree that we all NEED these positions and this would make the most sense in getting them?[/quote]


We would have to trade someone like Randle El or Moss to get any significant extra picks in the draft. Some have said Rogers or Landry in the recent past, but those guys contribute more than Randle El. I don't like trading down. The quality of the players goes to pot after the 2nd-3rd rounds. After that all you are getting is practice squad fodder for the most part. Of course you might get a couple keepers, but with our recent past in the draft I hghly doubt it.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;522036]Seeing how Vinny has stated he wants more draft picks. How feasible is it that we'll use the first and not trade down. If we've only got four then how does Vinny get more? [B]Wouldn't it be safe to say we might trade a guy for a second rounder this year and a third next year?[/B] I can also see him trading down to get more picks. Is seven picks consisting of OT, C, OG, OLB, with a DB and or a DE sound right? Most of the posts and talking heads seem to agree that we all NEED these positions and this would make the most sense in getting them?[/quote]

Thus the speculation we will trade Moss or someone else to gain picks. At first the idea didn't seem realistic because who would we trade w/ the value of a 2nd rounder that we don't really need? The idea of trading Los for instance seems rather tarded being that we used the 1st round pick to acquire him and we would have to replace him w/ a quality starter (meaning either our 1st round pick - again - or pay someone a boatload through FA). But then I heard Moss as a possible trade and started to warm up to the idea. It's a risk because it means one of the new WR additions must produce for us in '09. I think i'm ok with taking that risk but i'm glad the coaches make the decision. Also heard Horton as a trade possibility, which a lot of Warpathers don't agree with evidently, but i think it makes sense if we're gonna have Los/Hall for starting corners and Landry/Springs for starting safeties (from what I understand Blache and the who's who really like Springs and want to retain him). Bottom line is a trade of Moss or Horton or both guys in a package deal to get an even higher pick seems like a good idea now IMO.