Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

We need another running back and outside linebacker though. OLB should probably be one of our first two picks, running back should come later.

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

More picks seem a luxury at this point. We need a franchise tackle to solidify the other side of the line (opposite Samuels) and we're more likely, maybe far more likely, to get that @ 13 than bottom of the first or into the second round. What we did last year seemed ok and of course we have to wait and see how our top three picks develop, but trading away your 1st round talent opportunity year after year is a recipe for longterm mediocrity IMHO. It can't just be about grabbing more youth... top talent is necessary to be a great team.

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

[quote=The Goat;522708]More picks seem a luxury at this point. We need a franchise tackle to solidify the other side of the line (opposite Samuels) and we're more likely, maybe far more likely, to get that @ 13 than bottom of the first or into the second round. What we did last year seemed ok and of course we have to wait and see how our top three picks develop, but trading away your 1st round talent opportunity year after year is a recipe for longterm mediocrity IMHO. It can't just be about grabbing more youth... top talent is necessary to be a great team.[/quote]

That's a good point and I hope we don't trade down just for the sake of trading down. If there's an impact player available I think that's too valuable to pass up at #13. Especially if we're talking about a right tackle that can hold things down for the next 10 years.

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

[quote=The Goat;522708]More picks seem a luxury at this point. We need a franchise tackle to solidify the other side of the line (opposite Samuels) and we're more likely, maybe far more likely, to get that @ 13 than bottom of the first or into the second round. What we did last year seemed ok and of course we have to wait and see how our top three picks develop, but trading away your 1st round talent opportunity year after year is a recipe for longterm mediocrity IMHO. [B]It can't just be about grabbing more youth... top talent is necessary to be a great team[/B].[/quote]

Word (see the last paragraph of post #14). Last year we had the 21st pick in the draft, this year we're 8 spots higher. That's potentially a huge difference in terms of talent.

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522711]Word (see the last paragraph of post #14). Last year we had the 21st pick in the draft, this year we're 8 spots higher. [B]That's potentially a huge difference in terms of talent.[/B][/quote]

Hopefully. I struggle in knowing how big the difference might be (even in the same year) because I don't follow college football, but if memory serves I believe the 3 offensive tackles taken in the first 16 picks started all year for their teams... beyond there were no consistent starters. Again going off hearsay cause I don't follow college, this draft seems unusually deep w/ o-line talent so if there's a standout OLB @ 13 great take him but the next pick really has to be o-line and a legit starter rather than a project.

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

A quick reply to the naysayers that I was calling out. VC finally says something that us the fans are clamoring, and y'all sh!t on him for that. I'm not telling you all to change your opinion on the front office, but this crap on biting VC's head off for every fart he takes is getting old.

Ok now to the serious discussion. I agree that we shouldn't trade down for the sake of trading down. However if a particular player is not available at 13th and if it seems that we can find value in the vicinity of the 20s along with the possibility of getting some more picks, then I would say go for it.

I do agree that our 13th pick may give us better talent that last year's 21st. So hopefully we can pick up a stud of a player that can fulfill any of our needs.

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

[url=http://www.examiner.com/x-450-Washington-Redskins-Examiner~y2009m1d18-Redskins-2008-part-2-Stumbling-through-the-draft]Washington Redskins Examiner: Redskins 2008 part 2: Stumbling through the draft[/url]

Regardless if FO didn't learn from their mistakes they may be forced to change their ways anyway

A breif summery of past mistakes and the price to pay

The picture titled: (do these guys look like they know what they are doing) is pretty funny

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

Really Vinny?? Wow...shocker. If you want more picks then keep the ones you have! This guy is such a tool.

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

Great to hear this, but a GM should start thinking about the draft a year or two in advance...January is a little late.

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

Let me offer a couple of POSITIVE suggestions for how the Skins might get more draft picks for 2009:

1. Don't trade up on draft day; trade down if you do any trading at all.

2. If any other team gives an offer sheet to a restricted free agent, take the draft picks and let the RFA go.

3. If you get any compensatory picks in the draft, don't waste them in trading scenarios.

4. If any team approaches the Skins wanting to trade for just about any player on the roster, listen carefully and try to get as many draft picks as possible in the deal. There shouldn't be more than a half-dozen "untouchable" players on the team [I][Remember, they missed the playoffs after all so the roster isn't exactly overloaded with top-shelf talent.][/I]

5. [B]MOST IMPORTANTLY:[/B] When considering trades where you get picks for players given the needs of the team in 2009, it is BETTER to get two second round picks than one first round pick. It might even be better to get a second and a third than a single first round pick.


All of this advice works ON THE ASSUMPTION that the scouts have done their job well and the people who have designed the draft board have done their job well AND the "football novices" in the organization are busy off doing other chores. :bdh:

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

[quote=Mattyk72;522661]Guys really... we've had one season where we know for sure that Vinny is calling the shots, or at least is calling the good majority. Last year's draft class needs another year or two before we can really judge it, and this year call me crazy but I think we'll see a commitment to getting some lineman in here.[/quote]

while its only been 1 year that he's been "calling the shots" (for sure) he HAS BEEN THERE and therefore given a substantial amount of input. thus far the personal decision that have been made have been sub par. What has he done that makes you think that he's going to do be a good GM(ish)?

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522663]I disagree. I think we should judge draft picks within a week of when they were drafted. It's only logical[/quote]

Right, becuase that is exactly what we did- how foolish of us...if we had only waited until week 2 we could have seen how dominant our picks are...

Might the WRs turn out great? yes. That was never my issue, my issue with the draft is that we took 3 receivers at ALL- we needed youth on the lines and we didn't draft them. instead we drafted "the best (sexiest?) players on the board" who all happened to be receivers (who other -stupid- teams passed on). fact is, only 1 player in our draft did contributed (significantly this year)- and he was a supplemental pick...

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

[quote=celts32;522672]Matt, How do you remain so patient & positive in regards to this front office? I have loved this team pretty much since birth and will continue to love it unconditionaly...but I just don't have one ounce of patience left for a front office that involves Vinny. I mean the Chiefs just got Piolli and are talking about Mike Shannahan as coach and we are sitting here with Vinny who I doubt could get a job with any other team in the league.[/quote]
Well you can run out of patience all you want but it does not do any good because I don't think Snyder comes here to see what fans want to make his decisions. Cerrato has had this job for only onr year so how do we know who was making the calls prior to then. I guess we could bitch about last years first three picks but if what Shawn Spring said is true then we could see big thing from them .

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

[quote=firstdown;522755]Well you can run out of patience all you want but it does not do any good because I don't think Snyder comes here to see what fans want to make his decisions. Cerrato has had this job for only onr year so how do we know who was making the calls prior to then. I guess we could bitch about last years first three picks but if what Shawn Spring said is true then we could see big thing from them .[/quote]

this 1 year talk, while true, greatly discounts Vinny's contribution. The guy was not a wallflower, he was a main party to the redskins over the past better part of a decade. Hired in 1999, he helped acquired older big name stars like [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Smith"]Bruce Smith[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deion_Sanders"]Deion Sanders[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Fryar"]Irving Fryar[/URL], and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Carrier_%28defensive_back%29"]Mark Carrier[/URL]. He was then fired by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Schottenheimer"]Marty Schottenheimer[/URL] in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Washington_Redskins_season"]2001[/URL]. After a brief stint as an [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN"]ESPN[/URL] college analyst Cerrato was rehired by Snyder 2002 as the Director of Player Personnel and was named Vice President of Football Operations in 2008.
Do we REALLY believe he had little to do with the teams consistently poor draft, trading and free agency decisions?

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;522696]BRO YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY TO ME THEN JUST SAY IT. Oh wait you did. lol. Anyway the thing I was trying draw attention to was the overkill on recievers with high picks. Despite the fact that among other things they could easily have gotten a nice number 2 tight end in 2007 with Ben Patrick (projected 3rd round by Mike Mayock), however we decided to go after Jordan Palmer only to cut him. All the while Patrick is providing decent production for Arizona including that nice two point conversion against the Eagles (Keep in mind the guy averages only 14.5 ypg but thats definately more then we got from Davis).

However among other things I do very much agree that the jury is still out. My fear is that as you go down the draft the number of quality tackles decreases at a much quicker rate. Very rarely will you see a guy like Joe Staley last as long as he did, and I wouldn't bank on finding the next Marcus McNeil or Tony Ugoh in the second round.

Right now all I want is for the team to sit pretty at 13 and take Michael Oher or BJ Rali. Preferably Oher because we need more help at Tackle and Tackles usually have an easier time coming in and contributing. Then follow that up with the best available guard or center. Find a quality depth guy in the 5th thats capable of collapsing the pocket, and then look for a special teams guy that might eventually become a servicealbe OLB.

To me that would be a wonderful draft.

Of course as said before I will not be surprised to see the team with a new running back, outside linebacker, and corner come draft day.[/quote]
I actually agree with you DIRTBAG. I want to sit at #13 as well and take Oher. He will be a starter for 12 years. Then I think the center position should be addressed in round 3. and DL in round 5. But what about a place kicker. Do we go out and get one in free agency or do you draft the best avail. Place kickers are always over looked and are boy Suisham isn't cutting it.