Re: New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El
 

[quote=Mattyk72;526724]bye...[/quot

The end.....:doh:

Re: New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El
 

[quote=Paintrain;526723]Ooh, calling the lead mod an idiot isn't a solid strategy for long term stability and success on the board. Vinny, is that you?[/quote]

I still can't get over how there was never any grammar etc, just a string of ideas and words jumbled together... funny stuff every time for me!

Mod can we let the humor go on a little longer please :silly:

Re: New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El
 

[quote=Mattyk72;526724]bye...[/quote]

I foretold that would happen to this guy in the Aikman thread.

Damn I'm good!

Re: New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;526734]I foretold that would happen to this guy in the Aikman thread.

Damn I'm good![/quote]

Good call, dude was a first class a-hole

Re: New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El
 

[quote=Mattyk72;526735]Good call, dude was a first class a-hole[/quote]

Admit it Matty, it feels good to say "bye," and then just flex some chump off the board. I know it does.:)

Re: New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El
 

[quote=GMScud;526725][B]I don't want to see Moss go anywhere[/B]. But we sign El to an extension, and so much is at stake with D.Thomas and M.Kelly given their draft status. So if we don't get rid of Moss, we've got our receiving corps for the next few years it would seem. And that may very well be the case. It just means we're relying really heavily on last years rookies. That worries me.[/quote]

And I really don't see it happening, so no worries. As we all want to see Kelly, Thomas & Davis step up, it is unproven now. Or at least case one of the 2nd year wideouts being an impact player this season,hopefully.

With that said, thrash should be gone. That leaves us with Moss,ARE, Kelly, Thomas, Cooley, Davis in no special order. Half are already good proven talent at WR's/TE's the rest to be determined. The 2nd year kids on the team have to step up.

Re: New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;526740]And I really don't see it happening, so no worries. As we all want to see Kelly, Thomas & Davis step up, it is unproven now. Or at least case one of the 2nd year wideouts being an impact player this season,hopefully.

[B]With that said, thrash should be gone. That leaves us with [B]Moss,ARE, Kelly, Thomas, Cooley, Davis[/B] in no special order. Half are already good proven talent at WR's/TE's the rest to be determined. The 2nd year kids on the team have to step up.[/B][/quote]

Yeah I feel the same about Thrash, he is totally a non-factor on offense.

The list of WRs and TEs, on paper at list, is impressive IMO. I hope these kids are putting it together in the offseason for a big aerial surprise come regular season. Cooley/Davis is a sick TE combination and I'm anxious to see what Zorn can do with a couple of blocking/pass-catching monsters.

Re: New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El
 

Anyone know if his name was meant to be pronounced as Guido Matt because I think that would make a lot of sense.

Anyway back on topic. I really don't like the idea of rewarding non-productive players with more bonus money making it harder to cut them down the line. And of course by non productive I mean based on their production last season. It's honestly just a lot more of the same and I guess I've made my current feelings on the front office clear so I'll stay away from that for now. However with this current topic I'll go on record as saying I don't like the move. If anything I would rather cut the older guys and get some breathing room instead of using the same tactics that got us to where we are with Jansen, not saying that it will happen exactly the same way with Carter and Randle El but it's not promising.

So there now you guys know why :D

Re: New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El
 

[QUOTE=The Goat;526741]Yeah I feel the same about Thrash, he is totally a non-factor on offense.

[B]The list of WRs and TEs, on paper at list, is impressive IMO. I hope these kids are putting it together in the offseason for a big aerial surprise come regular season. Cooley/Davis is a sick TE combination and I'm anxious to see what Zorn can do with a couple of blocking/pass-catching monsters.[/[/B]QUOTE]

This is what makes improving the o-line so important. If JC has time, this offense should kick-ass.

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[quote=53Fan;526746]
This is what makes improving the o-line so important. If JC has time, this offense should kick-ass.[/quote]

Well I'm sure whatever linebacker we pick up in the draft will double as one hell of a lineman. Just like Dick Butkis, lol.

Re: New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El
 

[quote=53Fan;526746][QUOTE=The Goat;526741]Yeah I feel the same about Thrash, he is totally a non-factor on offense.

[B]The list of WRs and TEs, on paper at list, is impressive IMO. I hope these kids are putting it together in the offseason for a big aerial surprise come regular season. Cooley/Davis is a sick TE combination and I'm anxious to see what Zorn can do with a couple of blocking/pass-catching monsters.[/[/B]QUOTE]

This is what makes improving the o-line so important. [B]If JC has time, this offense should kick-ass.[/B][/quote]

Truer words ain't been spoken. The relative success of the o-line is sort of a double whammy wrt Cooley/Davis... i mean w/ an improved line these studs should have way more opportunities to get into space and school opposing LBs. As long as the line struggles two of our best pass catchers are taken from the equation... lame.

Re: New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;526745][B]I really don't like the idea of rewarding non-productive players with more bonus money making it harder to cut them down the line. [/B] And of course by non productive I mean based on their production last season. It's honestly just a lot more of the same and I guess I've made my current feelings on the front office clear so I'll stay away from that for now. However with this current topic I'll go on record as saying I don't like the move. If anything I would rather cut the older guys and get some breathing room instead of using the same tactics that got us to where we are with Jansen, not saying that it will happen exactly the same way with Carter and Randle El but it's not promising.

So there now you guys know why :D[/quote]

If youre a redskins fan and you dont like these contracts then you just dont understand it. Here are the full details of the contracts:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/the_full_carter_and_randle_el.html#comments]The Full Carter And Randle El Contracts - Redskins Insider[/url]

Now, of course, JLC would never say anything positive about the skins. He just referred to these moves as standard "salary cap gymnastics." Really, this is great for the skins and does the exact opposite of what you alleged in your post.

Prior to these new contracts, to release Carter after the 2009 season would have cost 6.8M against the cap. So now, not only do we save 2.4M against the cap in 2009, it will only cost 5.1M against the cap to cut him after the season.

Prior to AREs new contract, it would also have cost 6.8M to cut him after the season. Now, not only do we save 2M against the cap in 2009, but his release fee after the season is now only 4.4M.

To summarize, these extensions lower their cap hit significantly in 2009, while also HELPING us and making it EASIER to cut them prior to the 2010 season. Cutting them in 2010 wouldnt matter if there is no salary cap, but if there is a new CBA, these new contracts will save us 4.1M in cap space 2010, as well.
There is also another bonus for us - ARE and Carter likely realize this is their last year for the redskins, so in 2009, they are essentially auditioning for a new contract with another team in 2010 - we might actually get some production out of them this year.

Re: New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;526678]Well Campbell said going into the offseason that you may see some unexpected turnover with the offense.

Could Randle El's signing secure his spot with us and leave Moss's in doubt? If El is still here who is going to be the unexpected offensive Redskins not with us next year?

Moss could be dangling on a trade string as we speak.[/quote]

Oh please I hope not. I simply don't understand this team's obsession with ARE. Unless you use him like he is supposed to be sued, as a third WR, other than that, he sucks.

Re: New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;526843]Now, of course, [B]JLC would never say anything positive about the skins[/B]. He just referred to these moves as standard "salary cap gymnastics."[/quote]

From the article:
[quote][B]In both cases, the players will pocket in raw cash terms exactly what they would have in 2009[/B] under their previous deals ($4.5 million for Carter - including his old roster bonus - and $4 million for Randle El).[/quote]

[quote]Neither has been very productive since signing lucrative free agent deals here in March of 2006, and both play positions that have been woefully unproductive here on the whole. From the player standpoint, there's every incentive to do these deals, [B]they end up getting more money up front now[/B] and the chance to earn much more.[/quote]

Even as JLC tries to put down the FO, he contradicts himself.
To me these contracts seem to be a good balancing act whether or not a CBA is signed.

Re: New contracts for Andre Carter and Randle El
 

It's probably Antwaan's fault he sucks as a punt returner. But I don't think he's to blame for the contract he initially got here and it's not his fault no one has been able to supplant him yet as the #2 receiver. He hasn't done an awful job.