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[quote=The Goat;537732]Kelly's knee problems scare the hell outta me. Season ended for us 14 weeks ago and he's still not running evidently... can someone explain the history a bit here. Did Kelly miss a lot of time in college from this or did his knees start to deteriorate (rapidly) just as his pro career started?[/quote]

Kelly had some problems with his knee in college but not this much. He had surgery in the offseason to help correct this problem and there's no reason to rush him at this point. They want to make sure it's fully healed I'm sure. I think Portis found out last year that coming in was a good thing after getting almost 1500 yards. I heard that he realized how Fred Taylor had prolonged his career this way.

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I think the wideouts read our thread about Torry Holt....it must have shaken their fragile confidence...I heard they are all huddled in a corner crying for their mommy.

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Kelly came to the Skins "pre-injured". He did not need to play in an actual NFL game to incur those problems.

Everyone knew he had had knee problems in college. The Skins took a chance that he was over them. Clearly he was not.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;537851]Kelly came to the Skins "pre-injured". He did not need to play in an actual NFL game to incur those problems.

Everyone knew he had had knee problems in college. The Skins took a chance that he was over them. Clearly he was not.[/quote]

I mean, i understand medicine is far from an exact science, but i would like to believe an NFL franchise would employ the services of the best minds in sports medicine to determine the severity of a "preexisting" condition such as Kelly's. With the value of the resources invested, not to mention the staggering opportunity cost, I'd want a very clean bill of health for my 1st and 2nd round prospects as a team's GM... incidentally this is one reason I think Orakpo is the biggest risk in this years draft, especially as a top ten pick.

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If it isn't mandatory some people aren't going to show up. If I were Thomas especially, I would show up even if there wasn't anything for me to do. I would go out on the atroturf field and practice field goals in case our regular kicker get hurts. I would sleep on the couch in the players lounge. I would take a dump in La Canforas briefcase. Anything. Something.

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[quote=The Goat;537858]I mean, i understand medicine is far from an exact science, but i would like to believe an NFL franchise would employ the services of the best minds in sports medicine to determine the severity of a "preexisting" condition such as Kelly's. With the value of the resources invested, not to mention the staggering opportunity cost, I'd want a very clean bill of health for my 1st and 2nd round prospects as a team's GM... incidentally this is one reason I think Orakpo is the biggest risk in this years draft, especially as a top ten pick.[/quote]Well, you'd think so, but we also totally overvalued Devin Thomas, so I'm not exactly confident that due process occurred.

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[quote=GTripp0012;537864]Well, you'd think so, but we also totally overvalued Devin Thomas, so I'm not exactly confident that due process occurred.[/quote]

If we used DT as a KR and possibly PR i think we'd be close(r) to getting our value for him...

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For the record, I'm still very confident Kelly will be our top receiver one day. Just not surprised by the fact that we took a health risk before any other team.

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[quote=GTripp0012;537864]Well, you'd think so, but we also totally overvalued Devin Thomas, so I'm not exactly confident that due process occurred.[/quote]
I don't know about totally overvalued, most teams had him as the first or second WR in the draft last year. He was the 2nd WR drafted so how was that overvalued?

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GTripp is still upset because he was ranked so high after only one year of college production. For some reason he also has a hard on for guys that have the most college starts.

Not that I blame him...I just don't completely agree.

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[quote=The Goat;537870]If we used DT as a KR and possibly PR i think we'd be close(r) to getting our value for him...[/quote]

We already have a KR and a PR. (sarcasm) :)

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Could some of them be training offsite--say in Arizona with McNabb's crew?

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Why would they show up, they were so productive last year. hahahaha

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[quote=Paintrain;537976]I don't know about totally overvalued, most teams had him as the first or second WR in the draft last year. He was the 2nd WR drafted so how was that overvalued?[/quote]He's overvalued because we took him before about 8-9 (off the top of the head estimation) better players at the same position. Although the key is that we don't know before the draft who those 8-9 players actually are, we have tools and stuff to help get to the bottom of that. This wasn't like, unknown to the Warpath at the time. Dirtbag was a huge Jordy Nelson supporter, and I thought Malcolm Kelly (or even DeSean Jackson, who I was higher on at the time) would make a better high second round pick. I was pretty vocal at the time, and I've already put my money where my mouth is.

Or what Angry said. Either explanation works for me.

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This is straight off my unedited 101 top prospects from last April. Before Vinny's mistake.

I took off all the non-WR/TEs as not to abuse the list. The number should roughly correlate to the value for the player in terms of draft pick, obviously.

19. John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame
34. Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
35. Dustin Keller, TE, Purdue
38. Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan
43. DeSean Jackson, WR, Cal
49. James Hardy, WR, Indiana
53. Martellius Bennett, TE, Texas A&M
61. Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
69. Early Doucet, WR, LSU
73. Donnie Avery, WR, Houston
76. Fred Davis, TE, USC
80. Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State
87. Eddie Royal, WR, Virginia Tech
90. Jerome Simpson, WR, Coastal Carolina

I do feel today that James Hardy is going to end up being a bust. I feel I made a mistake putting him on the list.

But there were 4 players who had excellent rookie years in my top 60 or so, and two more excellent rookie years in guys I gave a third round grade to.

So to say there wasn't a better option out there at No. 34 than DT, well, then you just don't understand the draft. Of course there were better options out there. Vinny gambled and lost. That's just the way I see it.