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Yes football is a "team" sport, but every position has a certain value that when you look at it in a vacuum, can be prioritized. Obviously the Redskins have certain specific needs. That all being considered, i feel that investing in your future on the offensive line will far and away out perform an investment in the linebacking corp.

We made our investment in linebacking corp with Rocky and the with HB Blades(who is granted starting to look more like a mike to follow London). Stephon Heyer is not what i would call an appropriate investment in the single most important "unit" on the field. Honestly, I don't know how GM's get away with not spending a 1-3 rd pick every 2-3 years. The state of our depth at offensive line is a crime in a billion $ organization.

We are forced to re-act in this draft, just like last year with the wideouts. Dan develops a business model to successfully make money with the Redskins. But he takes a pass on making a football specific plan. I am tired of re-evaluating every offseason, and focusing on that year's problems. Big picture Vinnie! Look at the goddamn big picture. Start thinking ahead 5 years.

Sorry for the rant..

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Defensive Line Coach and Wide Receiver Coach

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[quote=GTripp0012;539961]That and [B]Maybin is a Jason Taylor wannabe[/B], so making the same mistake we just made with Taylor has all the wisdom of Blache written all over it. Luckily, we have Wynn and Daniels to buffer against that, because, we really need to get those guys on the field somehow.[/quote]

I hope he turns out to be that good if we select him at 13.

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[quote=GridIron26;540094]The idea of moving Chris Wilson is really intriguing (SmootSmack brought up the idea, I believe?) - CW and Jason Taylor are virtually alike physically- Jason Taylor is 6-6 and weighs 244, while CW is 6-4 and weighs 247.. Obviously the question is, do CW possess the coverage skills? I'm really hoping that Redskins would try do this kind of experiment this year..
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Wilson is not a linebacker...he is a pass rushing specialist...that is all.
You don't want him in coverage if you can help it.
He has always played the line.

It is one thing to have an OLB play on the line...it is quite another to take a DE and put him in coverage full time. They can experiment, but this aint a college kid, hes been playing pro ball on the line for a few years now.
If he could cover, he'd be great because he can certainly rush the passer.

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[quote=GTripp0012;539947]OLB would not be a good use of our FIRST pick, because the class is so gosh darn deep, but I would start looking at trading up into the bottom half of round two if we really like a Cody Brown or a Lawrence Sidbury. Guy has to get after the quarterback to work in this scheme at OLB, since when our coordinator gets uncomfortable, it means very predictable 6 man blitz.[/quote]

I think that if a "name" is still there, we'll take him. I don't know much about the lesser known guys though.

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This could have been mentioned already on the site but Scouts Inc has us taking Ayers @ 13 (if Jason Smith goes #1 overall) which means we pass on Oher, who falls to 21, and Rey, who falls to 26.

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=4020260]2009 mock draft scenario: What happens if Matthew Stafford is not No. 1 draft pick? - ESPN[/url]

I think these guys must be retarded. Seriously, why bring back Wynn/Daniels if we plan to use the 13 overall on a DE? Second, our FO is high on Oher and Rey so why do we pass on them for a guy not really known/needed. Last, who hell really believes Rey falls that far? I think he falls to SD @ 16 worst case scenario.

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[quote=The Goat;540369]This could have been mentioned already on the site but Scouts Inc has us taking Ayers @ 13 (if Jason Smith goes #1 overall) which means we pass on Oher, who falls to 21, and Rey, who falls to 26.

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=4020260"]2009 mock draft scenario: What happens if Matthew Stafford is not No. 1 draft pick? - ESPN[/URL]

I think these guys must be retarded. Seriously, why bring back Wynn/Daniels if we plan to use the 13 overall on a DE? Second, our FO is high on Oher and Rey so why do we pass on them for a guy not really known/needed. Last, who hell really believes Rey falls that far? I think he falls to SD @ 16 worst case scenario.[/quote]
The thing is this, our Front Office is notorious for doing something out of the ordinary come draft day. All of this speculation will drive us all crazy. And of course the Front Office will do something that will not make the fan base happy at all. My thinking is that the organization will move down in the draft to pick-up a few more picks. And whom ever they pick, they will not start this year, or really contribute at all for this team for that matter.

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[quote=4mrusmc;540399]The thing is this, our Front Office is notorious for doing something out of the ordinary come draft day. All of this speculation will drive us all crazy. And of course the Front Office will do something that will not make the fan base happy at all. [B]My thinking is that the organization will move down in the draft to pick-up a few more picks. And whom ever they pick, they will not start this year, or really contribute at all for this team for that matter.[/B][/quote]

If it turns out that way all of Skins fandom should call for Vinny's head... you can't miss out on 1st round impact players year after year and expect to build a successful team. Honestly i am worried about us trading out of the 1st completely and not getting a single starter this year, but i definitely want to believe Vinny is getting smarter at his job.

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I honestly think we'll do better than some may think in the draft. We have limited picks but we do have a 1rst and a 3rd. If we do a little wheeling and dealing we may come out with some more and there will be some good prospects in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Where does this optimism come from? I haven't a clue.

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[quote=Paintrain;540164]Yes, I agree with you. We'd have to draft a fit, not just a position at 13. I guess I am just not feeling Blades at SLB at all.

[B]I kind of think a lot of folks are under the assumption that we can draft one of the top 4 and just slot him at RT and he'll be a stud until moving to LT post Samuels. It's not as simple as it seems.[/B][/quote]

Sort of discredits our coaches on offense don't you think? Over the last few drafts OTs taken in the top 15 have been able to start on day 1 and some have even had remarkable success. I mean the Rinehart situation makes me uneasy... a guy they draft in the 3rd can't even dress as a rookie. But 1st round OT talent, especially early 1st round OT talent, should make it harder to "miss" right?

More generally I think players drafted early in the 1st ought to make an immediate impact, w/ the exception of most rookie QBs. If a player drafted that high can't start right away something has gone very wrong IMO, whether it's at the player or coaching level.

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[quote=The Goat;540419]Sort of discredits our coaches on offense don't you think? Over the last few drafts OTs taken in the top 15 have been able to start on day 1 and some have even had remarkable success. I mean the Rinehart situation makes me uneasy... a guy they draft in the 3rd can't even dress as a rookie. But 1st round OT talent, especially early 1st round OT talent, should make it harder to "miss" right?

More generally I think players drafted early in the 1st ought to make an immediate impact, w/ the exception of most rookie QBs. If a player drafted that high can't start right away something has gone very wrong IMO, whether it's at the player or coaching level.[/quote]

I agree with you, but I would say WR is the other position outside of QB, that makes for the toughest transition to the pros. Very few WR's make an immediate impact. This could explain why our early 2nd rounders didn't see much action last year.

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I'm hoping Brian Orakpo will still be on the board. Just look at the guy, he is a beast.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZTelDHwUwY&feature=related]YouTube - DE Brian Orakpo Highlights Texas 2008[/ame]


If we don't get a DE in the first round. I would love to make Lawrence Sidbury a Redskin.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPydgMoTs04]YouTube - Lawrence Sidbury - Richmond Spiders' DE at FCS finals[/ame]

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We'd all love to have Orakpo but he'll be gone. We've DEs for this year and could pick up a Buzbee caliber type player with undrafted guys.

Sidbury is another story. I agree he is a good guy to pick up but will he be able to play the position for years to come? He's not a high round pick even though his stock has risen on many websites and around the draft conversations currently going on. Magazine had him as a late rounder months ago so he's worthy of a pick and could probably get him.

That would fill the glaring need that I started this thread over. Since Vinny said in his rescent interview, or implied, that RT was Heyers to lose, we can only assume that the O-line is going to be addressed in another way. This could also signal that they are going to get a OLB with the 13th.

It'd be a wasted endeavor to speculate what they're really going to do. As much as many bad mouth him, Vinny isn't stupid. I don't think he's going to broadcast the team's intentions to the league.

With our recent additions and with the signing of Wynn and (Daniels (Rumor)) the need is OLB. Yes we do need O-line help, but if we had to play today we'd be short an OLB. So who do we get? Do we wait for the draft? Do we pick up a FA? Are there any quality guys left?

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As it stands right now. Some of these guys are camp fodder but most have played for us or we're scheduled to play and have been signed. I've placed these guys here according to who I think is going to do what next season; it's not official. I have left out a few guys who I think they might cut (Thrash).

LWR: Santana Moss, Malcolm Kelly
TE: Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Todd Yoder
LT: Chris Samuels, Devon Clark
LG: Derrick Dockery, Chad Rhinehardt
C: Casey Raback, Will Montgomery
RG: Randy Thomas, Anthony Batiste
RT: Stephon Heyer, John Jansen
RWR: Antwaan Randal El, Devon Thomas
QB: Jason Campbell, Colt Brennan, Todd Collins
FB: Mike Sellers
RB: Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright

CB: DeAngelo Hall, Fred Smoot, Byron Westbrook
LDE: Rynaldo Wynn, Rob Jackson, Alex Buzbee
LDT: Cornelius Griffin, Lorenzo Alexander
RDT: Albert Haynesworth, Antony Montgomery
RDE: Andre Carter, Chris Wilson
CB: Carlos Rogers, Justin Tryon
[U]LOLB: Alfred Fincher ?[/U]
ILB: London Fletcher, H.B. Blades
[U]ROLB: Rocky McIntosh, Tyson Smith?[/U]
SS: Laron Landry, Mike Green
FS: Chris Horton, Reed Doughty, Kareem Moore

KR: Rock Cartwright, Devon Thomas, Malcolm Kelly
K: Suan Suisham, H: Zac Atterberry
P: Zac Atterberry
LS: Ethan Albright
PR: Malcolm Kelly, Santana Moss, Malcolm Kelly

Feel free to chop it up if you see a f-up.

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[quote=vallin21;539956]Our Glaring need is LDE. At 13 there is at least 1 guy that will fall to us (Maybin, Jackson, Orakpo) in which we will get value and need[/quote]

you're dreaming if you think orakpo will be around at 13 - the top ot's will be gone, trade down in the draft and build depth on both lines. Everyone is yelling about ot being a huge need, sure but are the skins looking for a starter this year?? no, chris samuels is fine for this year, stephon heyer played really well when he stayed true to form (watch the tape), Rhinehart has been getting better after getting reps with the starters. BUILD DEPTH!!! please...dont throw a ton of money who has a 75-80% chance of being grossly overpaid/bust.