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MTK 04-04-2009 04:43 PM

re: Q.B. competition?
 
Insurance policy in case JC falters. Nothing more.

Stuck in TX 04-04-2009 05:44 PM

re: Q.B. competition?
 
Brennan is unproven, and Collins is not a starter and will not be competing to be one. With Campbell in his contract year and Leftwich wanting the starting job, he will serve as a catalyst to JC. Not only does he need to have a great year to receive a longterm contract, but he needs to have a great game every game to remain the starter. Insurance, and a catalyst. That is it. There will be no Leftwich era in the D.C. area I can pretty much guarantee it.

SirClintonPortis 04-04-2009 05:49 PM

re: Q.B. competition?
 
Slow release? Zorn can fix that up in a jiffy. Collins is a Saunders Coryell guy, not a WCO guy. He may not have anywhere else to go besides Pittsburgh or here anyway.

SmootSmack 04-04-2009 05:58 PM

re: Q.B. competition?
 
No matter what he was told, it'd be hard to think he wouldn't at least get a shot to compete for the starting role.

Still, I say we go with what we have.

Dblock804 04-04-2009 06:14 PM

re: Q.B. competition?
 
[quote=SmootSmack;543290]No matter what he was told, it'd be hard to think he wouldn't at least get a shot to compete for the starting role.

Still, I say we go with what we have.[/quote]

Yeah man. No one on that level wants to be back up. Ramsey got the nod ,and after he scratched is finger he never started for us again. I'm just sayin JC might not have everyone's support, that's it. After last week how can you not agree. Cutler IMO is no better than JC, so why the change?

GTripp0012 04-04-2009 06:49 PM

re: Q.B. competition?
 
Unlike Jay Cutler, Byron Leftwich is a guy who could play really, really well when we need him, without costing us an obscene amount of draft picks.

Plus, at age 29, he's not really a threat to Campbell as the future of the franchise, at least, not in the way that Snyder's ego is.

Right now, if Collins ever has to play for us, at his age, we're in deep trouble. Leftwich could hold down the fort if necessary. So I like a potential move from that perspective.

I don't like the timing of this, given that the last thing we need to do right now is anything to make Campbell feel like his job is being challenged. We could have done this last month.

GTripp0012 04-04-2009 06:59 PM

re: Q.B. competition?
 
[quote=Ruhskins;543249]Even Mike Florio, who as we know despises our team, is [URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/04/skins-sniffing-around-leftwich/"]saying that this would be for the #2 spot[/URL]. What I don't understand here is why would Leftwich want to come here, when he could be a starter with the Jets or Bucs? I do think this means good-bye Collins, do we save any money if we cut him?[/quote]The problem at Leftwich at this point is that he's not young enough to make teams want to push their young QBs to the bench in order to sign him. He's absolutely good enough to play in this league, but like Campbell this year, he was facing a critical year in 2007 with Jacksonville. Basically, either produce that season, or lose the future of the franchise tag. Maybe the Jags made the right call, maybe they didn't, but Leftwich really needed to be their starter that year in order to break into the league's top 15 QBs or so.

So while his talent didn't go anywhere, he's has a different prospectus at this age. He's in the Daunte Culpepper/Chad Pennington class now. Don't count out his ability to produce as a starter, but at the same time, he's no one's future.

All teams want to think they have their future in house, and if they don't, they'll draft a QB.

Basically, if we're dead set on giving up on Campbell, this is a bad sign, becuase it means Colt has no future here and we're likely picking a QB high. It would be a terrible mistake to part with Campbell given the start to his short career, but it's a mistake we've already attempted to make once.

GTripp0012 04-04-2009 07:03 PM

re: Q.B. competition?
 
[quote=SirClintonPortis;543289]Slow release? Zorn can fix that up in a jiffy. [/quote]First rule that you are taught at any sort of H.S. QB Camp is that you never f with a guy's delivery. Leftwich has shown that he can be productive at every level despite it, so just accept it as a necessary evil.

If his arm strength starts to go in 2 or 3 years, he might decline really fast. But right now, he can still make up for having a slow release by having a gun.

Nflnick11 04-04-2009 08:10 PM

re: Q.B. competition?
 
I don't like Collins, I love Brennan I like Campbell in a different system I like leftwitch in a different system..so what am I saying, cut collins and start Brennan

John Denny 04-04-2009 08:16 PM

re: Q.B. competition?
 
[quote=redskins5044;543239]this makes no sense. he is not a west coast system qb, his release is not quick he is so slow in delevering the ball and is not very mobile. when played played last year it was behind the steelers o-line.our o-line is horrible u need to be able move a little bit to play behind them.[/quote]

couldn't have said it better.
This is odd. We should try to sign a guy like Garcia (though it's unlikely. he'll probably go somewhere where he'll have a chance to start.) or at least a qb with some experience in the west coast offense if we're going to make a move.
I like Brennan but it wouldn't hurt him to hold the clip board one more year before stepping up to the no.2 spot.

SirClintonPortis 04-04-2009 09:15 PM

re: Q.B. competition?
 
[quote]We should try to sign a guy like Garcia.[/quote] He may be a bit too light for the potential pounding he may take here and will never see his career high totals ever again because he doesn't have a T.O to throw to.

T.O.Killa 04-04-2009 09:22 PM

re: Q.B. competition?
 
I love Leftwich. when we played Pittsburgh, I knew we were in trouble the minute he came in. I never understood why Jacksonville gave up on him. He has a wind up delivery that is ridiculous, but he can get the ball to his receivers. Maybe Zorn can make his delivery a little better and he would be awesome. As for the Pittsburgh line being better than ours, that is not the case. Their line sucked.

Trample the Elderly 04-04-2009 10:29 PM

re: Q.B. competition?
 
I started a thread about this very subject not too long ago and everyone went nuts. I don't see why he can't be an upgrade over Collins. The only thing that gets me is why Collins was never given a shot even after he took us to the playoffs?
I'm in favor of Byron but only as a backup for this season. I'd be happy one way or the other. I like Collins too but he is getting long in the tooth and he's not in the team's future.

redskins5044 04-04-2009 10:31 PM

re: Q.B. competition?
 
ok i shouldnt have said there o-line was better. but the few times he played last year, and one of those games was against us he had all the time in the world to pass the ball because we couldnt get pressure on any qb last year. i am just saying with our o-line being suspect with his slow deilvery he would not be an effective QB.

SmootSmack 04-04-2009 10:35 PM

re: Q.B. competition?
 
[quote=Trample the Elderly;543341]I started a thread about this very subject not too long ago and everyone went nuts. I don't see why he can't be an upgrade over Collins. The only thing that gets me is why Collins was never given a shot even after he took us to the playoffs?
I'm in favor of Byron but only as a backup for this season. I'd be happy one way or the other. I like Collins too but he is getting long in the tooth and he's not in the team's future.[/quote]

I remember that, and I think it was because everyone thought right away you were saying he should replace Campbell.

I like Leftwich but I really don't know what he offers above Campbell.


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