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[quote=12thMan;557967]Oh, that was Miss California.[/quote]

She can have my vote and my baby. Giggity giggity :woot:

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[quote=12thMan;557944]Even if she is lying, which will be pretty hard to prove, I still don't think her Speakership (is that correct?) is in jeopardy. Pelosi didn't torture anyone, didn't directly authorize any acts of torture, and hasn't committed any acts of treason that we're aware of. At best she stuck her foot in her mouth and probably should have just shut the hell up and let this play out like most smart pols on both sides.

The people that are the most outspoken on this issue, besides the media, are Newt and Cheney. Neither of which currently hold a public office and have nothing to very little at risk politically. Even the White House is trying to move on from this.

The more this issue get's volleyed back and forth it will be perceived as nothing more than attacks for political gain. And in that sense I think Pelosi's job is safe.[/quote]
It the dems who called for the investigation and the possibility of bring charges up against people who gave the OK to waterboard. On top of that Pelosi was ranking member of the Intelligence Committee when all this happened. Either she is lying or she was not doing her job at the time this occured.

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[quote=firstdown;557969]It the dems who called for the investigation and the possibility of bring charges up against people who gave the OK to waterboard. On top of that Pelosi was ranking member of the Intelligence Committee when all this happened. Either she is lying or she was not doing her job at the time this occured.[/quote]

Well what Dems are you talking about? Certainly not all of them. And there are some Republicans who feel the same way. And though they aren't actively pushing for an investigation some are on record saying, if laws were broken there should be some legal recourse.

Look, this is messy and people are very conflicted on both sides. Is torture wrong, of course it is. Did people feel it was so wrong and immoral following 9/11, probably not. And that's [I]not [/I]being discusssed as much in the national media. The mood of the country was different then than it is right now. At the moment there's still this anti-Bush sentiment in the air and Dems are feeling themselves (my momma used to use that term, still don't what it means) following Obama's win.

I just think it will be difficult, though not impossible, for Pelosi to get ousted over what amounts to he said, she said, what I meant to say. Especially given some credibiltiy issues within the Agency itself and now Bob Graham, former Chair of the Intel Committee, also disputing these briefings.

Anyway, back to Miss California. Oh wait, Pelosi is from California.

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[quote=12thMan;557983]Well what Dems are you talking about? Certainly not all of them. And there are some Republicans who feel the same way. And though they aren't actively pushing for an investigation, some are on record saying, if laws were broken there should be some legal recourse.

Look, this is messy and people are very conflicted on both sides. Is torture wrong, of course it is. Did people feel it was so wrong and immoral following 9/11, probably not. And that's [I]not [/I]being discusssed as much in the national media. The mood of the country was different then than it is right now. At the moment there's still this anti-Bush sentiment in the air and Dems are feeling themselves (my momma used to use that term, still don't what it means) following Obama's win.

I just think it will be difficult, though not impossible, for Pelosi to get ousted over what amounts to he said, she said, what I meant to say. Especially given some credibiltiy issues within the Agency itself and now Bob Graham, former Chair of the Intel Committee, also disputing these briefings.

Anyway, back to Miss California. Oh wait, Pelosi is from California.[/quote]
Pelosi her self was pushing for the truth investigation and thats how all of this got started. I agree with you that right after 9/11 the American people would have just about given the OK to do just about anything. I personaly don't think it is torture but thats my opinion and I respect other who feel differently.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;557911]What does her gender have to do with the fact that she's a liar?[/quote]

Chris Rock ring a bell?


Beware of language!
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJfFGgzhfhY[/ame]

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[quote=dmek25;557664]why does it always seem that republicans have problems with women in power? you guys hate Pelosi, hated Hilliary. any woman you guys like? i know, old gap tooth her self[/quote]
Sarah Palin ,bettsy Ross , Ann Coulter , Danica Patrick , Shilrley M. , Nancy Reagan , Miss California , Anna Kournikova , Leeann Tweeden ,,,, I can name a few ,,, time to grab a cold beer ,,,, good night fellow SKINS Fans . Oh , If Democrats wanted a women in the white house , they should have nominated Hillary ,,, or vote McCain - Palin , Democrats , not Republicans are the reason for a women not being elected .

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[quote=firstdown;557587]You know as great as this country is why the hell can we not get decent honest people in Washington?[/quote]

I think people in every country ask themselves this about their own government.

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[quote=firstdown;557587]You know as great as this country is why the hell can we not get decent honest people in Washington?[/quote]

Ain't that the truth!

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[quote=SmootSmack;557671]What a blanket generalization. Pelosi could be a walrus (male or female) and I think the opinion of many of her would not change (it may improve!). I think for most people, including Republicans, it has nothing to do with her being a woman.

To just throw out the Republicans have problems with women in power is pretty ignorant and insulting.[/quote]


Nonsense. It's the Dems who hate women. Everytime I turn on Chris Matthews he's going after Palin or Michelle Bachman or Marsha Blackburn or Kay Hutchinson. This is a lame defense. The GOP has strong independent women.Te Dems have a weak, obdurate, simpleton. Everyone in town knows she's lying. It's only a matter of time before Hoyer initiates the coup. (The CIAs first successful one since Suharto if I'm not mistaken).

I qouted the wrong post. Sorry, SS. Too effed at this hour to change it. Bad cricket, I know, but to find the original quote would be such a chore. I'm afraid I'll once again have to play Lord Lindsay to your Harold Abrahams. Ever so sorry.

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we went from Bush and co. saying they didnt torture. to, OK, we did, but only in certain situations. to, OK, we did, but torture isn't that bad. to, now, Pelosi knew. i say lets have that investigation. then we will really find out who the liars are.

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[quote=70Chip;558187]Nonsense. It's the Dems who hate women. Everytime I turn on Chris Matthews he's going after Palin or Michelle Bachman or Marsha Blackburn or Kay Hutchinson. This is a lame defense. The GOP has strong independent women.Te Dems have a weak, obdurate, simpleton. Everyone in town knows she's lying. It's only a matter of time before Hoyer initiates the coup. (The CIAs first successful one since Suharto if I'm not mistaken).

I qouted the wrong post. Sorry, SS. Too effed at this hour to change it. Bad cricket, I know, but to find the original quote would be such a chore. I'm afraid I'll once again have to play Lord Lindsay to your Harold Abrahams. Ever so sorry.[/quote]

Great, now I've got the theme song running (pun intended) through my head

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[quote=dmek25;558225]we went from Bush and co. saying they didnt torture. to, OK, we did, but only in certain situations. to, OK, we did, but torture isn't that bad. to, now, Pelosi knew. i say lets have that investigation. then we will really find out who the liars are.[/quote]

Why start at Bush, every president probably covered up something he did while in office. Doesn't matter what party, what color, what race. To achieve that much to gain control of this country you had to lie, cheat, sell out in some way. Of course some had better ideals and intentions but in the end politicians=liars. Get over it. Men has proven time and time again they cant run governments effectively, maybe women should get their chance :silly:

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[quote=dmek25;558225]we went from Bush and co. saying they didnt torture. to, OK, we did, but only in certain situations. to, OK, we did, but torture isn't that bad. to, now, Pelosi knew. i say lets have that investigation. then we will really find out who the liars are.[/quote]
I could be wrong but I thought that the Bush office did not view warterboarding as torture and even back in 2002 had lawyers review what they where thinking about doing. They also breifed some in congress about what they where doing and thats what the controversy is with Pelosi. She was the one calling for the hearings and wanting to prosicute these lawyers who said waterboarding was OK to do back in 2002 but now it seems she knew what the Whitehouse was doing so then she would be just as guilty.