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No Saden, both are in good standing in the US society. I am kinda done, when you can't recognize that, you really have gone a bit over the edge. Are they perfect, no, neither are Clinton and Ted Kennedy, but you don't hear people making your types of statements about them.

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[quote=saden1;559096]I don't hate Cheney, I'm just completely dispassionate about his wellbeing knowing what he stands for and advocates. You'll have to excuse me for not wanting to give CPR to man who advocates for torture. If it will make you feel better I feel the same about world dictators who tortured people. Finally, what's truly sad is Americans with the Constitution in one hand and Dick Cheney's balls in the other and acting like it's a lovely day. I am not one of these Americans, and I don't wish to be that American, I hope you understand this and if you don't it's a problem you have to deal with. Is this all perfectly clear?

saden wouldn't personally harm Dick and Rushbo because he's a lover not a fighter, saden wouldn't act if they were dying because he just doesn't give a shit about them.[/quote]
So I guess if Bill Clinton needed CPR you wouldn't give it to him either? He sent prisoners to Egypt to be tortured even worse than they would be tortured here.
[quote]President Bill Clinton issues Presidential Decision Directive 39 (PDD-39), which authorizes the "extraordinary rendition," or transfer, of non-citizen prisoners to Egypt for interrogation and trial. Egypt is known to practice torture, and statements obtained by torture in Egypt have been put to use by U.S. intelligence agencies. Human rights activists have argued that this is often the whole point of extraordinary rendition--it allows U.S. intelligence agencies to have prisoners tortured without breaking U.S. anti-torture laws.[/quote]
[url=http://civilliberty.about.com/od/lawenforcementterrorism/tp/History-of-Torture-Timeline.htm]History of Torture in the United States - Timeline History of Torture in the United States[/url]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition]Extraordinary rendition by the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

[quote=saden1;559108]Even towards Osama bin Laden? I'm sure you draw the line somewhere and it just so happens Rushbo and Cheney are on the wrong side of my line.[/quote]
Go ahead and let Bin Laden die but you would let Cheney and Rush (two Americans) die because they have different beliefs than you?

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[quote=saden1;559112]Good standing is a bit of an overstatement don't you think? Dick shattered our moral high-ground and gutted and disrespected our Constitution and Rushbo the venom spitting drug addict who thinks people shouldn't participate in the recession are not in good standing.[/quote]
So I guess you share the same feelings about Pelosi?

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I don't want to speak for Saden, but I'm guessing his issue with their "different beliefs" lies in morality.

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[quote=saden1;559096] saden wouldn't personally harm Dick and Rushbo because he's a lover not a fighter, saden wouldn't act if they were dying because he just doesn't give a shit about them.[/quote]

I hear that one of the first signs of mental disorder is referring to yourself in the third person.

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[quote=saden1;559113]saden always appreciates and values your input. saden also thanks you for your service to our country.[/quote]I appreciate and value your input too. Can't we all just share some arugula salad :grouphug:

P.S. we won't invite Cheney or Rush

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[quote=Schneed10;559061]Further evidence of the absurd bipartisan divide in this country. You're basically saying you'd treat a fellow American - of an opposing view - just as you'd treat one of America's enemies.

That's ridiculous and makes me sad to have you as an American.[/quote]

Hey Schneed.............one more thing to add. You're making it sound like "opposing view" is on something like Medicare, Socialy Security, taxes..............crap like that. Its not! His opposing view involves outing undercover CIA agents. Fear Mongering the crud out of me and you! Misleading us into a war. Taking away our constitional rights by not getting a warrant to conduct searches or wiretaps. Committing war crimes.

You see, I think all of those "opposing views" are qualities in a evil person. Thats why I believe the world would be better off without him. Now, I know I should have used more tact the first time I stated that. But, I stand by what I said.

And just for the record, If I saw someone needing CPR..............I'd call for an ambulance.

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[quote=steveo395;559117]So I guess if Bill Clinton needed CPR you wouldn't give it to him either? He sent prisoners to Egypt to be tortured even worse than they would be tortured here.

[URL="http://civilliberty.about.com/od/lawenforcementterrorism/tp/History-of-Torture-Timeline.htm"]History of Torture in the United States - Timeline History of Torture in the United States[/URL]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition"]Extraordinary rendition by the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL]


Go ahead and let Bin Laden die but you would let Cheney and Rush (two Americans) die because they have different beliefs than you?[/quote]

You have me confused, I put human rights above politics. If Clinton personally knew these individuals were going to be tortured and authorized their [URL="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=torture,_rendition,_and_other_abuses_against_captives_in_iraq,_afghanistan,_and_elsewhere"]rendition[/URL] you best believe I would leave him as I found him. BTW, I would perform CPR on W and McCain. Well, with W I might just put my foot on his chest and simply do a pump motion...and hope for the best.

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[quote=70Chip;559010]If Cheney want's to speak, it's his right. Democrats shouldn't be vexed by his high profile, since he's so widely hated. And yet it seems to vex them anyway.[/quote]

Maybe he can be like Jimmy Carter and be a self-appointed "negotiator" around the world. That did wonders

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[quote=saden1;559205]You have me confused, I put human rights above politics. If Clinton personally knew these individuals were going to be tortured and authorized their [URL="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=torture,_rendition,_and_other_abuses_against_captives_in_iraq,_afghanistan,_and_elsewhere"]rendition[/URL] you best believe I would leave him as I found him. BTW, I would perform CPR on W and McCain. Well, with W I might just put my foot on his chest and simply do a pump motion...and hope for the best.[/quote]
So we know the people sent there were tortured but you don't think the president of the Unites States knew?

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[quote=steveo395;559261]So we know the people sent there were tortured but you don't think the president of the Unites States knew?[/quote]

You know after the fact, the question is did you know before the fact and did president Clinton know that these prisoners were going to be tortured if they were renditioned back to Egypt. You do understand what the Directive you referenced states don't you?

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[quote=saden1;559263]You know after the fact, the question is did you know before the fact and did president Clinton know that these prisoners were going to be tortured if they were renditioned back to Egypt. You do understand what the Directive you referenced states don't you?[/quote]
It seems Saden cares more obout terrorist then he cares about what happens to US citizens. You live in a pretty f^&*ed up state of mind.

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in my opinion, most of this is water under the bridge. Bush and co. did what they had to do, and what they thought was right, at the time. if Obama disagrees, or wants policy change, that's his prerogative. but to argue over it is a big waste of time. what it boils down to is a definition. what is, and isnt torture

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[quote=firstdown;559365]It seems Saden cares more obout terrorist then he cares about what happens to US citizens. You live in a pretty f^&*ed up state of mind.[/quote]



Yes, I care more about the tortured than the torturer. My state of mind is perfectly fine because I know exactly who I am, what I am and what I stand for.

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[quote]...[T]he path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.[/quote]

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[quote=firstdown;559069]Why so much hate? First Rush now Chenney that you want to see dead.Funny how the left seems to be filled with so much hate but then they preach why can't we all get along. I never heard anyone here that seem to be a REP. speak of people on the left dying.[/quote]

Why do you make broad sweeping statements like "the left is filled with hate?" Seriously, you're an intelligent dude, I refuse to believe that you really believe all democrats or people on the left, as you put it, are hateful.