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[quote=redskins1974;563531]i wont get excited about acquiring a good WR until we get a good QB.[/quote]

I love how Campbell haters have to turn everything into an attack on him. :doh:

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No thanks. no more deals with denver.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;563548]They are lucky to have gotten Santonio though...[/quote]

Lucky in what way? He was a first round pick.

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i will pass on brandon marshall. hes one of about 10 guys in the nfl i think are not worth it, no matter how much talent he brings. would like to see him balmore though.

go skins!!

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[quote=Rajmahal33;563548]They are lucky to have gotten Santonio though...

Pittsburgh isn't good b/c of the WR's they have or have not. They are good b/c they have a solid defensive core of players (which we have) and a battle tested QB who knows what it takes to win (which we, to this point, have not). After this season we will know a little bit better about our QB situation and should be able to make a definitive move in one direction or another.

I say keep the picks for now...there will likely be some other star WR who will become available next offseason. Or maybe, and i know this is a hard pill to swallow for a lot of ppl here, our FO was right about one of our 3 2nd rd. picks last year.[/quote] Great post , I agree 100 % . We need an OL to give our Qb time to throw the ball downfield ! Maybe I trade one of our WR's straight up for BM , but NO way I give them 2010 draft pick for him .

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Id go Brandon Marshall for Santana Moss straight up! Marshall is a #1 reciever, something we havent had in yrs. If you think he cant change our pass offense, youre just BSing yourself... A good #1 reciever doesnt need a great QB..Take a look at the WR in Texas(whos thier QB?) exactly!and who cares. The offense with Marshall, Thomas,Cooley and Randle El in the slot is alot more intimidating...

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;563598]Id go Brandon Marshall for Santana Moss straight up! Marshall is a #1 reciever, something we havent had in yrs. If you think he cant change our pass offense, youre just BSing yourself... A good #1 reciever doesnt need a great QB..Take a look at the WR in Texas(whos thier QB?) exactly!and who cares. The offense with Marshall, Thomas,Cooley and Randle El in the slot is alot more intimidating...[/quote]

I would not take a chance on this kid. His immaturity is through the roof, but I think he'll realize through a trade (a la Randy Moss) that this will be his final chance wherever he goes and he'll excell.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;563548]They are lucky to have gotten Santonio though...

Pittsburgh isn't good b/c of the WR's they have or have not. They are good b/c they have a solid defensive core of players (which we have) and a battle tested QB who knows what it takes to win (which we, to this point, have not). After this season we will know a little bit better about our QB situation and should be able to make a definitive move in one direction or another.

I say keep the picks for now...there will likely be some other star WR who will become available next offseason. Or maybe, and i know this is a hard pill to swallow for a lot of ppl here, our FO was right about one of our 3 2nd rd. picks last year.[/quote]

Exactly. Ben is a playmaker and the Steeler franchise is just solid from top to bottom. They could take our receivers and win the Super Bowl with them. Ben got sacked a ton, but no one used that as an excuse for poor QB play. He kept plays alive with his feet, shed tackles and got the ball downfield.

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[quote=budw38;563593]Great post , I agree 100 % . We need an OL to give our Qb time to throw the ball downfield ! Maybe I trade one of our WR's straight up for BM , but NO way I give them 2010 draft pick for him .[/quote]

The Steelers pass protection was as pathetic as ours last year. They got the ball downfield, because Ben's not afraid to grip it and rip it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;563558]I love how Campbell haters have to turn everything into an attack on him. :doh:[/quote]

Nice observation...it's like somehow we hear JC as a reason to not bring in talent on the one hand cuz he's not up to par and then like he's the main reason we need to bring in extra talent on the other hand, again cuz he's not up to par. Whatever...

JC is on par w/ the classiest players in the game. His attitude and behavior is beyond reproach and I can think of 1) no other guy I'd rather have leading this team 2) no other guy who deserves success more.

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[quote=johno;563552]no thanks. guy is a good wr, but also is batshit crazy. if we want to to blow some money or draft picks, it should be on someone for the OL. i say we keep our picks and hope for some real results from at least someone named williams, thomas, and/or kelly.[/quote]

This is a good point. Marshall is a beast but how much difference with an aging line. Plus, where are we going to find the money to pay this woman-beater?
If we were to pull the trigger, I'd offer a 2nd and a 3rd in 2011. Marshall would instantly become our undisputed No.1 WR. The guy is big, strong, fast and can flat out reel the ball in. He had 18 catches in one game last year and is averaging something like 100 catches over the past two years.
Hopefully, Thomas and or Kelly will show up this year. God knows we're going to need them. Moss and Cooooley can't do it by themselves.

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[quote=The Goat;563616]Nice observation...it's like somehow we hear JC as a reason to not bring in talent on the one hand cuz he's not up to par and then like he's the main reason we need to bring in extra talent on the other hand, again cuz he's not up to par. Whatever...

JC is on par w/ the classiest players in the game. His attitude and behavior is beyond reproach and I can think of 1) no other guy I'd rather have leading this team 2) no other guy who deserves success more.[/quote]I was about to reassure you that the Campbell haters have no influence in personnel decisions and thusly that their opinions largely do not matter...but then I thought about it a little more and decided that I should probably not go there, given the events of this offseason.

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[quote=44Deezel;563613]Exactly. Ben is a playmaker and the Steeler franchise is just solid from top to bottom. They could take our receivers and win the Super Bowl with them. [B]Ben got sacked a ton, but no one used that as an excuse for poor QB play.[/B] He kept plays alive with his feet, shed tackles and got the ball downfield.[/quote]

Well the reason Big Ben is a playmaker is because he was thrown in the fire and was allowed to play from day one. Ben has 72 career starts, so I would call him a veteran, as such he is expected to carry his team if necessary, although he has had an elite defense along the way. Unfortunately, in our team, Gibbs didn't trust Campbell as a rookie and he didn't get the same experience as Ben. Campbell has half the experience (36 starts) than Big Ben, and honestly I don't think anyone has expected him to carry the team on his back or win games. Yes, Campbell played shitty when his offensive line and running game disintegrated, but also the Redskins defense last year was not up to the level of Pittsburgh. I don't think anyone is that shallow to just say that the Redskins did not well just b/c Campbell got sacked a lot.

Furthermore, why are you guys dogging the Steelers WR group? You mean to tell me that Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress, and Santonio Holmes are not good enough to be considered part of the reason of the Steelers' success over the past couple of seasons?? I mean the Steelers have had a top 5/top 10 defense for a while, and a pretty strong running game (two back system for most of the time), but you guys make it sound like their wideouts were just some guys they got off the street or something.

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[quote=44Deezel;563613]Exactly. [B]Ben is a playmaker[/B] and the Steeler franchise is just solid from top to bottom. They could take our receivers and win the Super Bowl with them. [B] Ben got sacked a ton, but no one used that as an excuse for poor QB play.[/B] He kept plays alive with his feet, shed tackles and got the ball downfield.[/quote]These things are not mutually exclusive. A more accurate statement would be that, "when Ben Roethlisberger is getting sacked a ton, he's not very effective. But when Ben does get good protection, makes smart decisions, understands his role, etc, he's one of the most efficient passers in the NFL."

Ben Roethlisberger's career has been a bizarre mix of mistake-prone football, and historic efficiency. I really have no idea what to make out of it, except that he's been exceptionally fortunate to be on the Steelers, and not have to answer questions about his failures as a player.

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[quote=GTripp0012;563650]These things are not mutually exclusive. A more accurate statement would be that, "when Ben Roethlisberger is getting sacked a ton, he's not very effective. But when Ben does get good protection, makes smart decisions, understands his role, etc, he's one of the most efficient passers in the NFL."

Ben Roethlisberger's career has been a bizarre mix of mistake-prone football, and historic efficiency. I really have no idea what to make out of it, except that he's been exceptionally fortunate to be on the Steelers,[B] and not have to answer questions about his failures as a player[/B].[/quote]

Winning cures all doesn't it? If the team he plays for wasn't as good as it is, heck, if their defense wasn't as good as it is, I'm sure he would hear some of the same questions Campbell hears.