Re: Heisman Watch: Give It To Toby Gerhart
 

[quote=Redskin Warrior;635965]Looking at the strength of schedule in the SEC i think it should go to Mark Ingram after the display against Florida the #1 rank defense in the nation. Tebow didn't play well neither did Colt I like Tony but truth is the PAC 10 is weak compared to the SEC.[/quote]

I think Colt took himself out of the race with his performance against Nebraska.

Re: Heisman Watch: Give It To Toby Gerhart
 

[quote=53Fan;635980]I think Colt took himself out of the race with his performance against Nebraska.[/quote]

I agree he did

Re: Heisman Watch: Give It To Toby Gerhart
 

yeah but last week ingram played like crap against auburn, and colt had 300 yds passing and 175 on the ground

that said ingram will most likly get it

Re: Heisman Watch: Give It To Toby Gerhart
 

[quote=Redskin Warrior;635965]Looking at the strength of schedule in the SEC i think it should go to Mark Ingram after the display against Florida the #1 rank defense in the nation. Tebow didn't play well neither did Colt I like Tony but truth is the PAC 10 is weak compared to the SEC.[/quote]

the pac 10 was very good this year. SEC has 3 ranked teams, pac 10 has 5...

Re: Heisman Watch: Give It To Toby Gerhart
 

it also pisses me off that so many people think colt mccoy should win the heisman, when in fact this is one of his worst seasons. he had the same amount of td passes and less ints when he was a FRESHMAN as he does this year, he is down 7 td passes this year from last year, up 4 ints, down 6% in completion percentage, and down a whopping 8 rushing tds. he doesnt deserve the heisman imo.

Re: Heisman Watch: Give It To Toby Gerhart
 

With it so close, some voters may say well McCoy should have won last year so let's give it to him this year, or well Tebow is one of the best players in the history of college football let's give it to him like a lifetime achievement award.

Re: Heisman Watch: Give It To Toby Gerhart
 

Looking at the total stats it's hard to say Toby doesn't deserve the Heisman.

[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards]2009 FBS (Division I-A) College Football Individual Statistics Leaders for Rushing - ESPN[/url]

Re: Heisman Watch: Give It To Toby Gerhart
 

[quote=Kalisto2010;636054]Looking at the total stats it's hard to say Toby doesn't deserve the Heisman.

[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards]2009 FBS (Division I-A) College Football Individual Statistics Leaders for Rushing - ESPN[/url][/quote]

The guy had 3 X 200 yard games against Oregon, USC and ND, he also had 3 TD games against Oregon, USC and ND. I would say that's pretty good production against teams that were ranked in the top 10 at the time they played (Oregon and USC).

Re: Heisman Watch: Give It To Toby Gerhart
 

[quote=Big C;636021]the pac 10 was very good this year. SEC has 3 ranked teams, pac 10 has 5...[/quote]

True, but look at who they played & how times did they beat the SEC? Does the PAC 10 even face the SEC often? In the past everytime Bama, Auburn, Florida & LSU requested to play USC they decline. After the year they screwed JC & Auburn out of the National Championship Auburn ask to play USC to show them they could beat them without JC, Cadillac & Ronnie Brown they didn't want it.

Re: Heisman Watch: Give It To Toby Gerhart
 

Give it to Ndamakong Suh of Nebraska, never once have I ever seen such a dominate defensive lineman man handle oLineman like he did throughout the whole game. He picked up Colt McCoy with one hand around his neck and literally threw him to the ground. He is more dominating than either ingram or gerhart IMO

Re: Heisman Watch: Give It To Toby Gerhart
 

[quote=SmootSmack;636052]With it so close, some voters may say well McCoy should have won last year so let's give it to him this year, or well Tebow is one of the best players in the history of college football let's give it to him like a lifetime achievement award.[/quote]

IMO Tebow got his lifetime achievement award in advance. I say please give someone else the Heisman this year.

Re: Heisman Watch: Give It To Toby Gerhart
 

I think Gerhart has the stats to get it and is deserving, but I also think Suh is an absolute beast and if it was truly given to the best college player he would get it.

Re: Heisman Watch: Give It To Toby Gerhart
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;636141]Give it to Ndamakong Suh of Nebraska, never once have I ever seen such a dominate defensive lineman man handle oLineman like he did throughout the whole game. He picked up Colt McCoy with one hand around his neck and literally threw him to the ground. He is more dominating than either ingram or gerhart IMO[/quote]

I agree. I've never seen a TACKLE as dominant as Suh at the college level. I've seen dominant LBs and even DEs, but for him to so thoroughly manhandle double and triple teams in the middle of the line is astounding.

That being said, Gerhart and Ingram are both excellent running backs, but D-Linemen as dominant as Suh are extremely rare and almost unheard of. Thus, if I had a heisman vote, it would go to Mr. Ndamukong Suh.

Re: Heisman Watch: Give It To Toby Gerhart
 

[quote=redskinfan401;636226]I agree. I've never seen a TACKLE as dominant as Suh at the college level. I've seen dominant LBs and even DEs, but for him to so thoroughly manhandle double and triple teams in the middle of the line is astounding.

That being said, Gerhart and Ingram are both excellent running backs, but D-Linemen as dominant as Suh are extremely rare and almost unheard of. Thus, if I had a heisman vote, it would go to Mr. Ndamukong Suh.[/quote]

anyone know when the last heisman winer was a d lineman? suh is probably gonna win about 8 or 9 defensive awards this year, and no one(espn) hasn't talked about him in the heisman debate all year

Re: Heisman Watch: Give It To Toby Gerhart
 

The only defensive player I can think of that ever won it was Charles Woodson