Re: Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well
 

[quote=tryfuhl;672876]No doubt, basically said leaders will be there.[/quote]

Obviously he considers Portis a leader, they both know each other well and know what to expect. Everybody's going to be on board initially to make that first impression, that includes Carlos and Landry as well. They've all undoubtedly gotten the message.

Re: Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well
 

[quote=Lotus;672997]If I were a Redskins coach I would play the "you were 4-12" card early and often as a motivator.[/quote]

I would play the "WE are not a 4-12 team" early and often. Don't want to alienate the players that are clearly not happy with last season.

Re: Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well
 

[quote=Player_HTTR;673016]I would play the "WE are not a 4-12 team" early and often. Don't want to alienate the players that are clearly not happy with last season.[/quote]

Fair enough. Either way, it should be used as a motivator.

Re: Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well
 

[quote=sandtrapjack;673013]Question....does this mean that Portis will not go to Miami this year and be participating with the entire team in the off season program?

Does'nt he normally stay in the Miami area in the off-season and do his own off season work out program at the U?[/quote]

I'd love to know what program that was. Because last season his program looked like it consisted of Jolly Pirate Donuts. Man was he out of shape

Re: Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well
 

[quote=Lotus;673017]Fair enough. Either way, it should be used as a motivator.[/quote]

I think, or lets say I hope, that a lot of these guys will be using it as motivation on their own. If not they are not the type of guys I would want to keep. Yes, I do agree that it should be kept fresh in their minds as well as being the bottom dwellers of the NFC East for too long.

Re: Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;673004]About a few days ago, i put all my hate of portis aside....i started looking at things from a team standpoint. And what i can't understand is why they are even committing to him. I could understand 100% totally if they made him a backup. But here's the thing:

His behavior and other problems have totally outweighed any potential good he could do here, especially over the last 2 seasons. I think he has worn out his welcome with most of the players, except for his close friends like Moss.

He has already had his prime. Taking nothing away from his achievements, he hit the wall physically during the mid part of 2008, and he has been fading fast ever since. You can't count on him to make a full season injury free. He isn't the guy that's going to go out there and get you 100 yds a game anymore.

I think the smartest move the team could make would be to get a young RB, not a retread like some of these old guys we are bringing in. We have one old worn out back. Getting another 30 year old back is ridiculous. We need someone who can step in this year when they will have to, and lead this team at the RB position.[/quote]
I think the team perspective would be phrased more like this:
1 - We have an "old" guy who
a) is familiar with the coach,
b) is on the right side of 30,
c) proven his effectiveness in the past.
2 - There is a glut on the market of backs in the 29+ age range, so there is no trade market for a back who may be developing concussion issues
3 - We can pick up a quality, but old, vet who could step in if CP doesn't step up and practice and tow the line of a locker room leader, or at least not a problem child
4 - In April, if we can pick up some additional picks, or if the 4th round has one of our RB top prospects, than we will take a RB at that point.

The team goal is to improve the talent, coaching and player effectiveness. Shorting ourselves because CP didn't thrive in our former system doesn't accomplish any of that

Re: Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;672955]Im sure a lot of the guys on this board, myself included, are just hoping these guys put their egos aside, realize that they are coming off of a 4-12 campaign and just realize that until they put up a second round win in the playoff, they have no right not to give 110%[/quote]

I'll be content with 100%.

Re: Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well
 

This is off-subject a bit but I think the best comment came at the end of the interview.

JC was out on the preactice field watching the coaches. You can question his FB ability all day, I do, but his character is All-Pro.

Re: Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well
 

[quote=Lotus;673011]Because aging players are the only ones available until April 22.[/quote]

I understand that, all they have to do is wait and draft a young one. Just because free agency is going on doesnt mean the Skins have to participate.

Re: Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;673025]I think the team perspective would be phrased more like this:
1 - We have an "old" guy who
a) is familiar with the coach,
b) is on the right side of 30,
c) proven his effectiveness in the past.
2 - There is a glut on the market of backs in the 29+ age range, so there is no trade market for a back who may be developing concussion issues
3 - We can pick up a quality, but old, vet who could step in if CP doesn't step up and practice and tow the line of a locker room leader, or at least not a problem child
4 - In April, if we can pick up some additional picks, or if the 4th round has one of our RB top prospects, than we will take a RB at that point.

The team goal is to improve the talent, coaching and player effectiveness. Shorting ourselves because CP didn't thrive in our former system doesn't accomplish any of that[/quote]

The old saying the Skins front office of old didnt understand is that its better to get rid of a player a year early rather than a year too late. The Skins have already held on to CP 2 years too long. I hope the new FO will follow that sage advice.

Re: Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;672976]"disappointed"....i dont like that words.

Sounds like something old lovable Coach Joe would say, or something Zorn would say:

"Well Golly Gee Willagers, i'm so dissappointed at how our workouts turned out". Sorry that was my best Zorn impression.

I want to hear Shanahan say that anyone who doesn't workout will be cut.[/quote]

You obviously do not know Mike Shanahan. He doesn't take any crap.

He HAS sent players packing for not seeing things his way.

Re: Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well
 

[quote=irish;673068]The old saying the Skins front office of old didnt understand is that its better to get rid of a player a year early rather than a year too late. The Skins have already held on to CP 2 years too long. I hope the new FO will follow that sage advice.[/quote]

so you wanted to get rid of CP when he was 27-28, but Philly kept BW till he was 30, with concussions and all. Got it, no bias, no preconceived Skins hate. CP rushed for 1400 yds last year, don't think that was keeping him to long. This past year VC/Zorn were ineffective EVERYONE knows that. Shanahan is giving him the benefit of doubt and letting him prove himself.

Re: Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;673076]so you wanted to get rid of CP when he was 27-28, but Philly kept BW till he was 30, with concussions and all. Got it, no bias, no preconceived Skins hate. CP rushed for 1400 yds last year, don't think that was keeping him to long. This past year VC/Zorn were ineffective EVERYONE knows that. Shanahan is giving him the benefit of doubt and letting him prove himself.[/quote]I think the argument can be had that CP hasn't had any degree of explosiveness as a runner since his age 25 season (2006). He was highly [I]effective[/I] in 2008, particularly in power running, but even during that year, he never really created anything as much as he simply took the corner when Samuels, Cooley, Kendall, and Sellers (all of which had great run blocking years) got it for him.

I think the timing of his effective year was just unfortunate, perfectly placed between two years where he was useless to us as a runner. If he had produced consecutive seasons with no big runs, he probably wouldn't have made it this far. But because of the small hope that he'll rebound this year, it seems we're kind of stuck with him, for at least one more year.

Re: Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well
 

[quote=GTripp0012;673080]I think the argument can be had that CP hasn't had any degree of explosiveness as a runner since his age 25 season (2006). He was highly [I]effective[/I] in 2008, particularly in power running, but even during that year, he never really created anything as much as he simply took the corner when Samuels, Cooley, Kendall, and Sellers (all of which had great run blocking years) got it for him.

I think the timing of his effective year was just unfortunate, perfectly placed between two years where he was useless to us as a runner. If he had produced consecutive seasons with no big runs, he probably wouldn't have made it this far. But because of the small hope that he'll rebound this year, it seems we're kind of stuck with him, for at least one more year.[/quote]

Someone said it best when they said, "Portis is a Ferrari that has been used as a pickup truck". Shannahan will know how to use CP to the best of his ability for one more year, until his replacement can be found. Toby would be a great change of back. CP should be taking it to the corners and not straight up the gut. You need a big dude for that. All of the RBs we had were the exact same thing.

Re: Portis cleared to participate in offseason workouts, Rogers will be there as well
 

CP's getting up there carries-wise. That's why any rational person would worry about him tanking. Once RBs go over 2300 carries, it's just almost guaranteed they're done. LT couldn't escape it, Fred Taylor couldn't escape it, and Portis is going to follow them. His speed is already no longer elite. He's got bone spurs, etc.