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[quote=skinster;699605]Allright so he is definitely a problem. What situation do you guys most likely playing out?

1) Release
2) He plays NT
3) He plays DE (3-4)
4) He gets traded (What is the market like for him? What teams would even want him now? The teams we got in a bidding war with for him (NYG, TB) have already addressed that position, and TN went for the DL in draft)
5) Other option:explain

I honestly have no idea what will happen. I do not think a trade is realistic because we will not get proper value considering there is not much of a market, and I do not think that the redskins will bend and let him play DE in the 3-4.
I think the most likely thing that will happen is he will not put in much effort, show his unhappiness by not showing up. Then he eventually will, and play, but not with as much effort as he should. The redskins might compromise a little bit by letting him rush occasionally, but not enough to make him happy while he will mainly still stop the run. Then he will be released next season. After his poor play and poor attitude, he will not get a huge contract and, we will get a 4th round compensatory pick for him.
My other scenario is that he just straight up gets released sometime, and we get a 3rd round compensatory pick next year.
My ideal situation is that some key 3-4 DT gets hurt, and we trade him for at least a 2nd and a 6th....a third will not satisfy me in a trade...even a 2nd is not good value in my mind considering seymour went for a 1st, but I know there is not a market out there for him so I will take what I can get.[/quote]

No comp picks on players who are released, only on players lost to free agency.

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[quote=skinster;699605]Allright so he is definitely a problem. What situation do you guys most likely playing out?

1) Release
2) He plays NT
3) He plays DE (3-4)
4) He gets traded (What is the market like for him? What teams would even want him now? The teams we got in a bidding war with for him (NYG, TB) have already addressed that position, and TN went for the DL in draft)
5) Other option:explain

I honestly have no idea what will happen. I do not think a trade is realistic because we will not get proper value considering there is not much of a market, and I do not think that the redskins will bend and let him play DE in the 3-4.
I think the most likely thing that will happen is he will not put in much effort, show his unhappiness by not showing up. Then he eventually will, and play, but not with as much effort as he should. The redskins might compromise a little bit by letting him rush occasionally, but not enough to make him happy while he will mainly still stop the run. Then he will be released next season. After his poor play and poor attitude, he will not get a huge contract and, we will get a 4th round compensatory pick for him.
My other scenario is that he just straight up gets released sometime, and we get a 3rd round compensatory pick next year.
My ideal situation is that some key 3-4 DT gets hurt, and we trade him for at least a 2nd and a 6th....a third will not satisfy me in a trade...even a 2nd is not good value in my mind considering seymour went for a 1st, but I know there is not a market out there for him so I will take what I can get.[/quote]

I really see no problem here. Let's just wait until he shows up for mandatory camp. I think after this it will blow over.

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I will say that Albert is being stupid about this. I can understand if he feels the need to train by himself, my brother went through a somewhat similar situation in college swimming where he did much better training on his own then he did training with the team but at the same time why not spend 6 days total going to mini-camp? Is he afraid that they're going to pressure him to stay and train with them if he shows up? Anything when people are playing football in some way shape or form it shouldn't be passed up if you're healthy.

Either way this is basically starting to look like LaVar all over again.

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[url=http://1500espn.com/sportswire/Pelissero_Talks_quiet_but_playing_for_Vikings_sounds_good_to_Haynesworth]Pelissero: Talks quiet, but playing for Vikings sounds good to Haynesworth | 1500 ESPN Twin Cities | Radio home of the Minnesota Twins[/url]

Report: Albert Haynesworth interested in joining the Vikings
Posted by Mike Florio on May 8, 2010 6:54 PM ET
During the draft, a strong rumor emerged that the Minnesota Vikings were in hot pursuit of Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. Ultimately, no deal was struck, either with the Vikings or any other team.

But the matter is hardly dead. Haynesworth continues to boycott offseason workouts in D.C., and the Vikings may be down two starting defensive tackles for four games -- or one for eight.

Tom Pelissero of 1500ESPN.com reports, citing unnamed NFL sources, that Haynesworth is interested in joining the Vikings.

The question becomes whether the Vikings are still interested, whether the Redskins are willing to move him, and whether the two sides can strike a mutually acceptable deal.

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It's time to let this guy go, I'm so tired of hearing about Haynesworth not willing to play in a 3-4.. Please Allen/Shanny cut ties with him now before he becomes an even bigger distraction. (Maybe for Cedric Griffen) OK that's wishful thinking

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AH for Phil Loadholt, Erin Henderson, and a 2nd round pick.

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Do not let the guy just walk. fuc him, let him wallow along, and if you like but him on some sort of leave for conduct detrimental to the team. Force him to play, if we are winning this guy will shut up. All these guys play this game for two or three reasons: money, love, winning.... If we get 2 out of 3 he will be fine and find a way to contribute. I look back at his comments when he signed here, " I want to be the next Reggie White" after one year I don't see some one any where close to that.

We should see how it plays out. Don't make some dumb decsion and let him walk for nothing, or give him away for nothing. the guy will fall in line. He is not much of a story compared to the rest of the team. The damn media is making to much about this.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;699641]Do not let the guy just walk. fuc him, let him wallow along, and if you like but him on some sort of leave for conduct detrimental to the team. Force him to play, if we are winning this guy will shut up. All these guys play this game for two or three reasons: money, love, winning.... If we get 2 out of 3 he will be fine and find a way to contribute. I look back at his comments when he signed here, " I want to be the next Reggie White" after one year I don't see some one any where close to that.

We should see how it plays out. Don't make some dumb decsion and let him walk for nothing, or give him away for nothing. the guy will fall in line. He is not much of a story compared to the rest of the team. The damn media is making to much about this.[/quote]


Well said, If we do let him go to the vikes i want a Hershell Walker deal all their draft picks for 2 years.

HTTR.

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I think we all understand why Albert should be at the mini camp, but its voluntary only. Albert has made it clear that he would not attend any voluntary mini camps, so we should not be surprised if he is a No Show. We should be surprised if he shows up to a mini camp. If Albert is Butt hurt about playing in a 3-4 Defense then he should ask to give some of his Bonus back and be traded or just suck it up and see how the Redskins will use him in the new scheme. I believe when you get 31 million up front thus far he should be happy to play any where in the defense. I guess today's players think they can run the league , but I bet if he comes in to camp out of shape and with a bad attitude the Redskin coaches wont put up with his BS. They will find a way to get that money back and send his ass packing. I say lets wait and see if Albert is truly working out hard for this up coming season before we bash him for not showing up for the voluntary camp.

We will be better with a motivated Albert than without him on our defense. I do think Albert made our defensive line better but it still was sad against the run and forcing turnovers. I just hope they let the Big Man lose this season and let him attack the offense. Albert as a long time Redskins fan I hope you are working out hard to shut up all these critical Redskin fans who love to hate on someone. I guess JC is gone they looking for another player to hate on.

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You guys sound like a women complaining about not getting what she wanted for her birthday. If he shows up and is out of shape come game day then bitch all you want but for now lets wait and see. Last season people bitched because they said he took to many plays off and was out of shape. Now that he says hea is working hard to get into shape the same people are bitching. If you reply to this post while at home maybe you should volunteer and go into work today.

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[quote=firstdown;699665]You guys sound like a women complaining about not getting what she wanted for her birthday. If he shows up and is out of shape come game day then bitch all you want but for now lets wait and see. Last season people bitched because they said he took to many plays off and was out of shape. Now that he says hea is working hard to get into shape the same people are bitching. If you reply to this post while at home maybe you should volunteer and go into work today.[/quote]
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[quote=Mattyk;699386]At this point all I care about is that he shows for MANDATORY camps.[/quote]

for the most part i feel the same way, but you and i both know that a every camp is viewed as mandatory by the coaching staff. it will be interesting to see how he looks when he gets here and see how he adjusts to the new system.

thats my :twocents: for this haynesworth thread

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[quote=firstdown;699665]You guys sound like a women complaining about not getting what she wanted for her birthday. If he shows up and is out of shape come game day then bitch all you want but for now lets wait and see. Last season people bitched because they said he took to many plays off and was out of shape. Now that he says hea is working hard to get into shape the same people are bitching. If you reply to this post while at home maybe you should volunteer and go into work today.[/quote]

The strange dichotomy of the professional football player: part independent contractor, part union employee. As an independent contractor, Haynesworth got himself a sweet deal and now, as a union employee he has apparently decided to work only to the specifications of his contract. That is his right. I don't dispute that.

On the other hand, being a good teammate takes more than a "meets minimum" effort. All he had to do was to take a few days away from his training to join his teammates in a short learning and practicing camp. It would have cost him nothing, as far as his training regimen is concerned.

Plus he may have learned something and he might even have been able to help a teammate or two learn something, as well. If he didn't want to help out the team by giving some tips to younger players, perhaps he could have made himself useful by spotting for a teammate who was doing bench reps or by picking up a towel and putting it in a laundry basket. He could have done something, anything, to help out someone else on the team if he cared anything at all about the team. But he couldn't be bothered to do anything to help a single teammate. That's why I said that he is behaving selfishly.

Your analogy about a Haynesworth critic coming in on weekends is way off base. Nevertheless, I'll try to enlighten you on that point. When I was working (I'm retired) I went into the office on many weekends, just as, I'd bet, many of the folks on this board do or have done. Not only that, but I went into the office Monday through Friday, too. And I worked more than an 8 hour day more often than not. I also took work home and did it on my own time.

And, before you think I'm being self-congrtulatory, I don't think that I did anything special. Most Americans work very hard all year long. But even all that work doesn't usually solve their money problems. In fact, many Americans are forced to work more than one job just to make ends meet. And some of those people may never be able to send their kids to college or to retire.

And, in view of that, you want me to think it's a big deal for a man who has already been paid $32,000,000 by his employer for less than two years of work, a man who is set for life due to that employer, to show enough appreciation for all that has been done for him and his family to come to work for 3 days? If you don't think that he is acting like an ingrate, then I think that you need to re-examine either your position on Haynesworth coming to mini-camp or your value system.

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[quote=Lotus;699640]AH for Phil Loadholt, Erin Henderson, and a 2nd round pick.[/quote]

I'd be ok with this...the Vikings wouldn't go for it though.

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[quote=firstdown;699665]You guys sound like a women complaining about not getting what she wanted for her birthday. If he shows up and is out of shape come game day then bitch all you want but for now lets wait and see. Last season people bitched because they said he took to many plays off and was out of shape. Now that he says hea is working hard to get into shape the same people are bitching. If you reply to this post while at home maybe you should volunteer and go into work today.[/quote]

Somehow I never feel comfortable agreeing w/ firstdown even when he's 100% right :)