Re: Currently Rostered Players Who Should be on the Redskins in 2011
 

Barry Sanders might be one of the few who could look special running the ball for our team this year. I think Torain has done a good job and Keiland hasn't looked bad either. They definitely deserve the chance to compete for the top 2 spots.

Re: Currently Rostered Players Who Should be on the Redskins in 2011
 

[quote=irish;773055]In today's NFL there just isnt room on the roster for guys playing a greatly diminished role. This team has enough problems with depth without using a roster spot on an old injury prone RB that only comes in to block on passes. In addition to CP I'd like to see Sellers gone. Much like CP's reduced role Sellers just doesnt do enough to justify his spot on the roster. Except for Torrain I really think the Skins need to clean house at RB.[/quote]Can't call Portis injury prone and then defend Torain. Portis doesn't get hurt in warm-ups.

Portis can still run the ball. He can't break it and beat the safeties anymore (and really hasn't been able to for about four years). Neither can Torain. Portis is still a much better, more natural runner than Torain. And a better blocker. And pass receiver. Probably no more injury prone either.

Is he $8 million better? Probably not. But if you don't feel that Portis is worth even half his salary, you can release him and Torain and start over at the position. I think Portis is worth close to his salary. Not in excess of it, but close to it.

Re: Currently Rostered Players Who Should be on the Redskins in 2011
 

[quote=bigmarley4;773096]He will be resigned to the Redskins and split Super Bowl MVP honors next year with Marcus Mason.[/quote]

Yeah and you forgot to mention how we all shit rainbow skittles after a Redskins win. That's in the same realm of likelihood.

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[quote=Beemnseven;773007]The other strategy teams use against Brian Orakpo is to exercise the "The Brian Orakpo Rule" -- a little known passage in the NFL Rulebook which allows opponents of the Washington Redskins to hold Orakpo constantly and egregiously throughout the game, without penalty from the officials except in very rare cases.[/quote]He still leads the NFL in times held with 10, so they're not missing any more holds on him than on other elite pass rushers. There have been some really egregious misses that have led to big plays for the opponent, but he draws the holds with the best of them.

Re: Currently Rostered Players Who Should be on the Redskins in 2011
 

[quote=Beemnseven;773007]The other strategy teams use against Brian Orakpo is to exercise the "The Brian Orakpo Rule" -- a little known passage in the NFL Rulebook which allows opponents of the Washington Redskins to hold Orakpo constantly and egregiously throughout the game, without penalty from the officials except in very rare cases.[/quote]

How does Orakpo not get any calls when Ware, Allen and Harrison get every holding call??? It's bull shit, I swear sometimes I think the refs just hate us.. I know that sounds dumb and like I'm a crybaby but cmon

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I know we want to totally rebuild, but I still think keeping some veterans around is better then having none..

Andre Carter
Santana Moss
Clinton Portis
Mike Sellers

I think those are some key players we need to keep around for a few more years, or untill they retire to help this team produce better players.

I think Terrence Austin could be the next S. Moss if he gets the right teaching etc. Or even Brandon Banks.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;773151]How does Orakpo not get any calls when Ware, Allen and Harrison get every holding call??? It's bull shit, I swear sometimes I think the refs just hate us.. I know that sounds dumb and like I'm a crybaby but cmon[/quote]

It's because of ESPN....

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[quote=GTripp0012;773144]Can't call Portis injury prone and then defend Torain. Portis doesn't get hurt in warm-ups.

Portis can still run the ball. He can't break it and beat the safeties anymore (and really hasn't been able to for about four years). Neither can Torain. Portis is still a much better, more natural runner than Torain. And a better blocker. And pass receiver. Probably no more injury prone either.

Is he $8 million better? Probably not. But if you don't feel that Portis is worth even half his salary, you can release him and Torain and start over at the position. I think Portis is worth close to his salary. Not in excess of it, but close to it.[/quote]

We're looking at opposite ends of the career spectrum.. Torain's is starting.. he doesn't have a lot of wear and tear.. but his career could end before it starts.. either way he's been able to play after his injuries

Portis' career has not been delayed but is likely to be shortened due to it

Portis will go the way of LJ and WP more so than anything else.. better blocker sure.. but Torain had more catches this year than Portis in his last two

natural or not, if you can't break it.. what's the big diff? Portis dives and lacks the burst that he once had

Portis hasn't avg'd above 4.3 since being here, Torain hit 4.7 this year.. so if neither can go next level take what you can get in avg.. I can see not saying Torain is the truth, but other than pass pro I don't see a reason to give Portis any sort of nod other than towards the unemployment line

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We need to cut everybody besides:

London Fletcher
Brian Orakpo
DeAngelo Hall
LaRon Landry
Reed Doughty
Trent Williams
Ma'ake Kemoeatu
Anthony Armstrong
Santana Moss
Brandon Banks
Keiland Williams
Chris Cooley
Fred Davis
Lichtensteiger

Our Team officially is a joke these days.
This circus we call a franchise is making me sick.
Haynesworth/McNabb Trade+Benching?
We should pick up another talented player and just bench them too..
nobodys gonna wanna play here

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[quote=GTripp0012;773148][B]He still leads the NFL in times held with 10[/B], so they're not missing any more holds on him than on other elite pass rushers. There have been some really egregious misses that have led to big plays for the opponent, but he draws the holds with the best of them.[/quote]

Is that a real stat if so where can I find it?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;773190]Is that a real stat if so where can I find it?[/quote]It's not official, but the networks keep it and put it up during the games. It's also in the play by play.

I have 9 holds plus one illegal block in the back (functionally, a hold) on Orakpo this year. Haynesworth is second on our team with 3.

This isn't current, but it was accurate for the league as of Week 13:

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2010/2010-hits-and-hurries]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2010 Hits and Hurries[/url]

Re: Currently Rostered Players Who Should be on the Redskins in 2011
 

Does anybody think they will go out and get T.O or R.Moss. i wouldn't put it past them

Re: Currently Rostered Players Who Should be on the Redskins in 2011
 

[quote=newticketholder;773222]Does anybody think they will go out and get T.O or R.Moss. i wouldn't put it past them[/quote]

Considering they passed on them once already, don't see why they would be interested now.

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[quote=Skins4L;773188]We need to cut everybody besides:

London Fletcher
Brian Orakpo
DeAngelo Hall
LaRon Landry
Reed Doughty
Trent Williams
Ma'ake Kemoeatu
Anthony Armstrong
Santana Moss
Brandon Banks
Keiland Williams
Chris Cooley
Fred Davis
Lichtensteiger

Our Team officially is a joke these days.
This circus we call a franchise is making me sick.
Haynesworth/McNabb Trade+Benching?
We should pick up another talented player and just bench them too..
nobodys gonna wanna play here[/quote]

So we would need to draft/sign 38 players? Actually way more than that to fill out a training camp roster. We CAN'T just dump everyone and try to start over, we dont have enough draft picks to do anything approaching this. Please do not give me the whole trade Haynesworth, DM and Cooley for draft picks. Out of those only Cooley would get us anything above a 4th.

This is going to take a few years to get right, and that is only if Shanny/Allen is the right duo to do this. If you aren't on board for that then that's fine, no one is saying you have to watch them rebuild. Feel free to hop off the bandwagon until they are good again. This mini rant is directed at you really either but at the mind set that we somehow need to be a playoff team next year.

As for a list of players we need to keep, I will leave that to the people who are far more familiar with the back up talent on this team than I am. Anyway thats my $.02

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[quote=skinsfaninok;773151]How does Orakpo not get any calls when Ware, Allen and Harrison get every holding call??? It's bull shit, I swear sometimes I think the refs just hate us.. I know that sounds dumb and like I'm a crybaby but cmon[/quote]

I know -- it's infuriating. For the first time since the days of Dexter Manley and Charles Mann, we FINALLY get a bonafide pass rushing demon, but the guy gets held constantly and we rarely get the calls.

It's like we cannot f*cking win.