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[quote=SmootSmack;804930]Um, thanks? What did you post this again for?[/quote]

Sorry...didn't know it already had been.

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Did you guys take a moment and read the comments? I found this one to be interesting...

[QUOTE]willycents says:
May 27, 2011 6:46 PM
Who the Hell is Larry Kennan? Oh, I see. He is listed as executive director of the NFLCA. However, he is also listed (by lead411.com) as “Dir. Staff” at NFLPlayers.com and his email address includes the site nflplayers.com
Could it be he is a paid employee of the players association? Just a paid shill for the players perhaps? The NFLCA just lost all possible credibility since their director is an employee of the players association.

just type Larry Kennan in your bing bar and see what the hits are.
[/QUOTE]

From what I see he's the Executive Director at the NFL Players Association

[QUOTE]Larry Kennan People named Larry Kennan
Title and Company:
Executive Director at Nfl Players Association
[/QUOTE]

I wonder who there is a coach acting as the Executive Director at the NFL Owners Association? and what briefs he plans to file? Perhaps a brief requesting the lockout stay in place?

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No wonder Larry filed the brief requesting the lockout end.... he's sitting in the NFLPA headquarters listening everyday to the players drival.

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[quote=Longtimefan;804932]Sorry...didn't know it already had been.[/quote]

Not this specific link, but the story was (in the first post of the thread I believe). Sorry, wasn't trying to be difficult. I just wasn't sure if maybe there was some new information in your link you were referencing

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[quote=SmootSmack;804938]Not this specific link, but the story was (in the first post of the thread I believe). Sorry, wasn't trying to be difficult. I just wasn't sure if maybe there was some new information in your link you were referencing[/quote]

I appreciate you bringing it to my attention.....to distance one's self and to renounce is one and the same. At first glance I was under te impression the link provided a revised information. This lockout is beginning to take it's toll. lol

[QUOTE=wilsowilso;804909]**** that.

The "power of money" mentality in this society is alarming.[/QUOTE]

So easy so say but hard to walk the walk when your paycheck goes towards loans, mortgages, family, etc.

If you felt you could lose your job, you wouldn't agree with your employer? There are different ways to go about making your opinion heard. Putting your job on the line doesn't have to go hand in hand with that.

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[quote=hooskins;804988]So easy so say but hard to walk the walk when your paycheck goes towards loans, mortgages, family, etc.

If you felt you could lose your job, you wouldn't agree with your employer? There are different ways to go about making your opinion heard. Putting your job on the line doesn't have to go hand in hand with that.[/quote]


Absolutely not. If I thought my boss was wrong, I wouldn't side with him regardless. Doesn't mean I would speak publicly about it either. I would just stay out of it. You know, some people value their principle more than money. Just saying.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;804990]Absolutely not. If I thought my boss was wrong, I wouldn't side with him regardless. Doesn't mean I would speak publicly about it either. I would just stay out of it. You know, some people value their principle more than money. Just saying.[/QUOTE]

Obviously. But the NFLCA released a statement citing Shanahan as a coach who would suffer. IMO, MS had to release something.

What you are saying is a level of agreement as well. Saying nothing says a lot.

And I'm not saying we should all be yes-men, but using your head doesn't hurt(well I guess it does for some).

Not getting involved would be a smart move, that wasn't an option in this scenario.

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[quote=hooskins;804991]Obviously. But the NFLCA released a statement citing Shanahan as a coach who would suffer. IMO, MS had to release something.

What you are saying is a level of agreement as well. Saying nothing says a lot.[/quote]

I understand Shanny's reaction in this because he's part of management. However, having all of the Redskins coaching staff sign this was stupid. Very stupid. Now, the NFLCA should have contacted the Redskins which was very stupid of them. Now the Redskins coaching staff has chosen a side and it happens to be against the guys they want trust from. NOT a smart move.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;804993]I understand Shanny's reaction in this because he's part of management. However, having all of the Redskins coaching staff sign this was stupid. Very stupid. Now, the NFLCA should have contacted the Redskins which was very stupid of them. Now the Redskins coaching staff has chosen a side and it happens to be against the guys they want trust from. NOT a smart move.[/QUOTE]

That's a good point. So assuming all preexisting conditions, what should have happened? MS releases his own statement without other coaches? That looks like a segmented coaching staff.

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[quote=hooskins;804994]That's a good point. So assuming all preexisting conditions, what should have happened? MS releases his own statement without other coaches? That looks like a segmented coaching staff.[/quote]

No, it looks like one is considered management (much like Bruce Allen) and the others are coaches. Its a bit complicated when the coach is also the president as well. I think in this situation, Shanny makes a statement independently while reminding people that he is also management. That way it clears up any question about "split" coaching staff. That is how I feel it should have been handled. I have a big problem with the coaching staff siding with owners against the players. They have absolutely no dog in the fight so there is absolutely no reason for them to be dragged into this.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;804995]No, it looks like one is considered management (much like Bruce Allen) and the others are coaches. Its a bit complicated when the coach is also the president as well. I think in this situation, Shanny makes a statement independently while reminding people that he is also management. That way it clears up any question about "split" coaching staff. That is how I feel it should have been handled. I have a big problem with the coaching staff siding with owners against the players. They have absolutely no dog in the fight so there is absolutely no reason for them to be dragged into this.[/QUOTE]

I think making his statement alone shows lack of unity.

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[quote=hooskins;804997]I think making his statement alone shows lack of unity.[/quote]

Mike Shanahan is clearly management. You can tell because he he has the title of Vice President and the big corner office. He makes the big bucks and he also makes all of the football-related decisions for the organization.

On the other hand, the assistant coaches have none of those things. That's because they are not management. They are also not players. They are simply football coaches. So, there was no need for them to show solidarity with either management or the players.

They should not have been put on the spot by the coaches association and they should not have been asked by anyone to sign a statement supporting management.

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[quote=hooskins;804988]So easy so say but hard to walk the walk when your paycheck goes towards loans, mortgages, family, etc.

If you felt you could lose your job, you wouldn't agree with your employer? There are different ways to go about making your opinion heard. Putting your job on the line doesn't have to go hand in hand with that.[/quote]

Nobody in this NFL labor fight is going to lose their job. This is a battle between rich people and super rich people.

But if we are talking about sacrificing our jobs in the fight to face off against uncontrolled corporate greed it's obvious that the super rich are in a great position right now as you point out middle class Americans find themselves so leveraged by mortgages, debts and twenty three monthly bills every month that it seems impossible to even consider putting up a fight when it comes to labor disputes?

It's a joke. American laborers died in the streets so that they could earn a chance at a living wage.

Now that the middle class has gotten so drunk off of a steady diet of fast food, mindless television and a garage filled with toys we can't afford we are incapable of staring down management and the super rich?

The distribution of wealth is at a staggeringly unhealthy level and yet we elect politicians who fight tooth and nail to give tax breaks to corporations and the super rich?

Maybe Americans can start voting for politicians who are interested in helping people.

To answer your question I would put my job on the line.

But as you said I would obviously do my best to use every other avenue to get my opinion heard.....only because I have a family I'm responsible for, I've got lots of bills and I don't make that much money.