Re: Replacing the KO
 

[quote=RedskinRat;971606]Just read in [URL="http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2012/12/06/cover-story-how-far-will-roger-goodell-go-to-protect-the-game-he-loves/"]Time Magazine[/URL] that Goodell got an idea from Schiano for a team starting on their 30 yard at 4th and 15, and either opting to go for it or punting.

I like it, if we're really trying to do away with injuries. Makes for an exciting start on fakes also.

[I]One idea that Goodell predicts will get more consideration: eliminating kickoffs. Fans may object to this rule change, since kickoffs produce thrilling returns. TIME sat in on meeting between Goodell and Rich McKay, head of the NFL’s powerful competition committee. Goodell brought up a proposal promoted by Greg Schiano, coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers: after a touchdown or field goal, instead of kicking off, a team would get the ball on its own 30-yard line, where it’s fourth and 15. The options are either to go for it and try to retain possession, or punt. If you go for it and fall short, the opposing team would take over with good field position. In essence, punts would replace kickoffs, and punts are less susceptible to violent collisions than kickoffs. “The fact is,” Goodell says. “It’s a much different end of the play…It’s an off-the-wall idea. It’s different and makes you think differently. It did me.”[/I][/quote]

It's a really stupid idea. It's bad enough that we pretty much don't have kick off returns. I knew it was a matter of time before Goodell would bring this up.

Re: Replacing the KO
 

[quote=RedskinRat;971705]Paintrain, meet First Down. First Down, put down the rooster and meet Paintrain.

Or you could just read FD's magnificent post [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/50594-in-the-year-2000-a.html#post971228"]here[/URL] which he's subsequently edited. Daseal ([B]correction[/B]) quoted him later in the thread so it's saved for eternity.[/quote]

Ah, thanks. Between that, the pie thing and the question #3 or whatever, I sadly find myself at the special table in the lunchroom looking over at the cool kids laughing wonder what the joke is. Carry on..

Re: Replacing the KO
 

Im for replacing the Commercial. I really love it when there is like 50 seconds left on a change of possession and they break.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;971717]Im for replacing the Commercial. I really love it when there is like 50 seconds left on a change of possession and they break.[/quote]

MNF is the worst even though I don't think they actually slow the game down any. It just seems weird when they keep playing 30 second commercials at the end of games over and over as a team calls its timeouts. The other networks don't do that.

Re: Replacing the KO
 

Cant get rid of Kickoffs. Goodell thinks this is a good idea for player safety from Schiano but Schiano is the same guy wants to tackle a kneeling QB? Smh at Goodell for the millionith time

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[quote=Chico23231;971723] Smh at Goodell for the millionith time[/quote]

SMH = Snort My Hen?

The eff is up with people on this forum?

Re: Replacing the KO
 

[quote=RedskinRat;971725]SMH = Snort My Hen?

The eff is up with people on this forum?[/quote]

:laughing2

Re: Replacing the KO
 

[quote=Mattyk;971666]Is it really that hard to see the difference between punts and kickoffs?[/quote]

No, it isnt, yet i still dont see that big of a gap when it comes down to the hits returners take either scenario ... blocking and people getting cut low is an obvious KO risk along with blind side hits, but punts also carry those type hits ... its a difference, but in my opiniin the gap isnt that big to make such a deal out of kickoffs and assume punts are just fine and dandy

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This would give Shanny a legitimate out on his (not going so good) Brandon Banks project.

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What about Schiano's proposed "zero blitz on kneel down plays"?

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[quote=Meks;971731][B]No, it isnt, yet i still dont see that big of a gap when it comes down to the hits returners take either scenario[/B] ... blocking and people getting cut low is an obvious KO risk along with blind side hits, but punts also carry those type hits ... its a difference, but in my opiniin the gap isnt that big to make such a deal out of kickoffs and assume punts are just fine and dandy[/quote]

It's not just the returners taking big hits on kickoffs. That's the difference.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;971773]What about Schiano's proposed "zero blitz on kneel down plays"?[/quote]

I hate that crap. Bush league.

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I think they should go the other route and get rid of the fair catch on punts. Remember this sicko??

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnxBBd1gQVE]Skins vs Rams no "Fair Catch" against the Skins is a bad idea Week 4 2011 - YouTube[/ame]

Re: Replacing the KO
 

I keep going back and forth on how I feel about this, but I think my main is concern is this: If we're taking kickoffs out of the game because they're the most dangerous play in the game, how long before we remove the next most dangerous play in the game?

I mean, let's say this actually happens and we replace kickoffs with punts. Then, after a while, the league starts to notice that more guys are being carted off from injuries during punts. Are we then going to eliminate punts and arbitrarily place the ball at the 20? If so, why don't we just do that now, if we're getting rid of the kickoff?

Also, what if this change makes team change their punt return formations? What if, a head coach says, "You know what, having all of my guys on the line for a punt doesn't make much sense, why don't we start dropping them back?...I can still keep a bunch of guys within 10-15 yards of the ball in case of a fake, but I'm not going to try to block their kickoff." Now, we're right back in the same position of guys getting a 10-20 yard head start before collisions start to occur.

Basically, my thinking is, if you're getting rid of kickoffs, you should probably be prepared for punts to also go by the way side. So, I don't think this solution is particularly viable since it will just replace "the most dangerous play in the game" with "the most dangerous play in the game."

The only way I really see this working, from a safety standpoint, is if you start to create rules for punt return formations. If you're going to do that, why not just mandate that a return team must have X number of plays within Y yards of the ball on kickoffs and avoid the big collisions that way?

Re: Replacing the KO
 

[quote=RedskinRat;971705]Paintrain, meet First Down. First Down, put down the rooster and meet Paintrain.

Or you could just read FD's magnificent post [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/50594-in-the-year-2000-a.html#post971228"]here[/URL] which he's subsequently edited. Daseal ([B]correction[/B]) quoted him later in the thread so it's saved for eternity.[/quote]

For the record I tried to change it back but the system will not let me edit it again. I ask Matty to put it back as it was.