Re: Bigger Bust????
 

for me it's between george and shuler and howard. i never thought shuler was a good choice. i wanted dilfer , at least he had played a pro style offense. they chose shuler becuase he could scramble. i expected more from george and he totally hugged. howard i also expected more of even though i didn't want them to trade up. i wanted to stay put and get troy vincent, can you imagine the secondary we would have had with green and vincent. that's what makes it smart more.:dallas: :banghead:

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What about Norv Turner? right now I'd have to say the biggest redskins bust in my lifetime would be Shuler, Westbrook, or Spurrier. None of them lasted all that long in the nfl and none of them lived up the huge hype surrending them so it makes it tough to decided a "winner". I guess I'm gonna go with Westbrook cuz we was a dud on the field most of the time as well as off the field which he showed when he sucker punched Stephen Davis. If Ramsey doesn't improve a bit this year he may start slipping down into this discussion in the future.

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I wonder why no one has suggested Daniel M. Snyder for biggest bust?

He took over a team that was on the cusp of contending - made the playoffs in 99/00. Then he "added his value" to the mix and there haven't been any winning seasons since.

I'm not trying to say that Heath Shuler and Desmond Howard and Mark Carrier and Deion Sanders and Jeff George and Stubby and Mark Brunell were anything positive here. They were not. But I don't know that any of them had a major hand in a 5 year run of losing...

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[QUOTE=steveo395]mark brunell[/QUOTE]
my votes w/ u haha. but just remember we may be stuck w/ the guy and he just may of had a bad season:madani:

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Patrick Ramsey.

Undebatable.

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[QUOTE=SKINZ_DOMIN8]Patrick Ramsey.

Undebatable.[/QUOTE]

If you're not going to add anything meaningful to the discussions here either hold back on your insightful commentary or find another board to post on.

I can recommend some other sites if you'd like.

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I think Skinz_Domin8 is somehow related to Mark Brunell-notice the number 8 in his username-hence the constant Ramsey bashing

Either that or he's just :Smoker:

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]If you're not going to add anything meaningful to the discussions here either hold back on your insightful commentary or find another board to post on.

I can recommend some other sites if you'd like.[/QUOTE]

If I am so wrong...........then prove it.

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I think the onus is on you to prove your point, you're in the minority. I could quote lots of facts and figures, use bar/pie charts and prove that Ramsey is the better QB but you wouldn't understand and I'd have wasted my time.

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[QUOTE=SKINZ_DOMIN8]If I am so wrong...........then prove it.[/QUOTE]

Matty's not the one that has to prove anything. He's not the one who said Patrick Ramsey is the biggest bust. You did so you tell us why...People say Heath Shuler because for a top 5 pick the results did not live up to the draft status, or Deion because the results did not live up to the contract

So if you're going to say Patrick Ramsey is already the biggest bust ever, maybe some of us won't think it's nearly as ignorant a comment if you provided some info to back it up.

And before you think of posting it, just know that the whole more losses than wins argument is not a good one

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Ramsey bigger bust than Shuler??

[i]Please[/i] prove that point, I'd love to hear it.

I'll give you something to get started with, here's their career stats

Shuler: 29 games, 292/593 49.2%, 3691 yds, 15 TD, 33 INT

Ramsey: 29 games, 465/836, 55.6%, 5370 yds, 33 TD, 28 INT

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Ramsey bigger bust than Shuler??

[i]Please[/i] prove that point, I'd love to hear it.

I'll give you something to get started with, here's their career stats

Shuler: 29 games, 292/593 49.2%, 3691 yds, 15 TD, 33 INT

Ramsey: 29 games, 465/836, 55.6%, 5370 yds, 33 TD, 28 INT[/QUOTE]
Shuler played in 29 games?

Wow, I would have lost that bet.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]Shuler played in 29 games?

Wow, I would have lost that bet.[/QUOTE]

Mostly with the Saints I think

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Bigger bust: Joe Gibbs.....wait I mean Gibbie :Smoker:

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as a side question, how many times did we trade down in that draft before we acutally picked him. I was at the stadium for the draft day party and everyone was losing their patience becuase it was taking so long and we had all planned on leaving like two hours before that.