Re: Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1083277]How much better do you think Cousins can be?[/quote]

I think he could be in the top 15.

Top 10... Probably not.

Re: Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time
 

[quote=Lotus;1083271]Good luck with that.

IMO Kirk is like Grossman and Favre: one of his best qualities is his aggression. And one of his worst qualities is his aggression. And because aggression got him where he is, that problematic aggression is not going away.

Also, please note that while Kirk may have only 4 starts, he is in his third year. It's not like he's had no time to develop like Aaron Rodgers did.[/quote]

Drew Brees plays w/ aggression. He's doing OK.

Re: Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time
 

Can we let Cousins play 3 weeks, and then have this conversation? I would say 6-8 but that timing is coincidental and not actually related to RGIII's injury. Pat Kirwan once said, and for some reason my brain actually holds on to it as a valid thought, is that it takes the NFL about 6 weeks to catch up to tendencies of replacement qb's (assuming that they are decent players to begin with). That makes sense to me, with the varied looks and reads that qbs have to make you probably do need 3 or 4 game tapes, plus 1 or 2 to see how he adjusts to the first set of adjustments.

So I guess what I am saying, is just about the time can start to see whether we should be discussing whether to keep Cousins or not, is the time that Griffin will probably be chomping at the bit to come back. Welcome to the Skins Fan QB Conundrum.

Re: Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1083277]How much better do you think Cousins can be?[/quote]

I tend to see Cousins as a hair better than Dalton at his best.

Re: Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time
 

Cousins could help them to win the games like he did yesterday.

Re: Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time
 

You shelve RG3 for the season...Ain't nobody got time for him to rehabilitate and become a better pocket passer. As far as I am concerned the dude is unreliable and unreliable don't get the keys to a franchise.

Re: Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time
 

My first thought on all this is, Griffin is going to want to come back too soon, especially if Cousins is ballin, and Gruden needs to put his foot down and make Griffin be patient. There is no sense ruining him, franchise QB or not. That will tell us how good of a coach he is.

I honestly have no clue. I'm trying to keep my expectations for Cousins in check, because they were on Sunday, and I was able to thoroughly enjoy every second of his performance. So, if he keeps playing like he did this week, I will enjoy the ride, and if he doesn't, oh well, he's our backup QB 4th Rd draft pick.

Re: Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time
 

Thanks for sharing Saden, I know most people's stance but I wasn't really positive where you stood from your oh so classy post in the other thread.

Re: Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time
 

I think it actually doesn't depend too much on how well he plays, but if they win games. Obviously, the better he plays, the more likely he keeps the job, but if the skins come out of this with more wins than losses, we know the QB always gets more credit than he deserves.

Re: Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time
 

[quote=Giantone;1083279]So Griffin will be the QB next year ? How much rehabbing has he done since 2009 ?So in the last 5-6 seasons he has had 3 season ending injury's and yes this ankle is a season ender ,why take the chance ?[/quote]

QB durability can change though. I remember there was a time where Aaron Rodgers made the likes of Sam Bradford and RG3 look like Cal Ripken Jr by comparison.

[url=http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=261119009]New England Patriots vs. Green Bay Packers - Box Score - November 19, 2006 - ESPN[/url]
[quote]On November 19, 2006 Rodgers broke his left foot while playing against the New England Patriots in a 0-35 defeat at home, [B]filling in for an injured Brett Favre[/B], and Rodgers missed the remainder of the 2006 season[/quote]
Keep in mind Favre started that game and played long enough to attempt 15 passes.

Before Rodgers became the starter he was actually injured more often than Favre.

From 2008: [url=http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=241976]NFL Forum :: - Aaron Rodgers Injury Prone?[/url]
[quote]
What does everyone say AR is injury prone?

Patriots Game: Freak play when some dude stepped on his foot. Still played the rest of the game with a broken foot. Keep in mind, it was against the NFL's best and most confusing defense for young QBs. It was also his R season.

Practice: M3 (btw, why is he called M3 I don't get it) said that he probably could have played the next week, but didn't want to risk any further injury. It was also on the last play of practice, a little bit of a freak injury.

Thoughts?[/quote]

[quote]Don't forget his screwed up knee in high school, which he screwed up again twice more in college, and eventually required surgery.
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Re: Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1083281]Drew Brees plays w/ aggression. He's doing OK.[/quote]

Not the same. Every QB needs some aggression. Let me rephrase: Favre, Grossman, and Cousins play with [I]reckless [/I]aggression. And, as we saw with Favre and Grossman, the negative part never goes away.

Re: Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1083293]Thanks for sharing Saden, I know most people's stance but I wasn't really positive where you stood from your oh so classy post in the other thread.[/quote]

Well, you know what they say about opinions...thanks for sharing your opinion.

Re: Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time
 

[quote=Lotus;1083305]Not the same. Every QB needs some aggression. Let me rephrase: Favre, [B]Grossman[/B], and Cousins play with [I]reckless [/I]aggression. And, as we saw with Favre and Grossman, the negative part never goes away.[/quote]

For someone to truly understand reckless aggression they must first read this article.

[url=http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2006/11/f-k-it-im-throwing-it-downfield.html]F--k It. I'm Throwing It Downfield. | Kissing Suzy Kolber[/url]

Warning lots of bad language, though maybe I should put that above the link so I can be sure people are see it before the click a of the story......nah bad that be of not. English mine fire on today.

Re: Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time
 

[quote=Chico23231;1083266]44, it's a legit question. The ceiling option is valid since no one traded for him this offseason. It's based on perceived opinion from other organization who need qb. I'll put u down for option 2[/quote]

The Chargers were done with Brees after 2 seasons and 30 plus starts. I'm not ready to pass judgement on Cousins yet, but I think he looks better than most after only a handful of starts. The Browns, Falcons and yesterday's games were all impressive. The other 2 were stinkers. But he's shown enough to be encouraged by his potential.

And I put zero stock in NFL talent evaluators when it comes to the QB position. Grading QBs is a complete mystery, and it wouldn't surprise me if everyone missed on Cousins just like they have with countless QBs before him.

Re: Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time
 

[quote=Lotus;1083305]Not the same. Every QB needs some aggression. Let me rephrase: Favre, Grossman, and Cousins play with [I]reckless [/I]aggression. And, as we saw with Favre and Grossman, the negative part never goes away.[/quote]

Too early to come to that conclusion with Cousins. Most young QBs struggle with turnovers and many of them correct it and move on. And sign me up for Favre. I'll gladly take 15 years of that.