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30gut 05-06-2015 06:40 AM

Re: New Look Defense
 
Post Draft:

Pass Rushing Situation DL:

Kerrigan-Hatcher-Paea-Preston Smith

or

Kerrigan-Smith-Hatcher-Murphy/Trev Williams

skinsfaninok 05-06-2015 11:50 AM

Re: New Look Defense
 
I'm worried about our pass rush next yr, I believe we will be much better against the run but we really only have 1 true pass rusher in RK.

SFREDSKIN 05-06-2015 12:06 PM

Re: New Look Defense
 
I think a combination of Murphy/Smith will be just fine (till Smith wins the job). I like what I've seen on film from Smith.

30gut 05-06-2015 05:57 PM

Re: New Look Defense
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1112951]I'm worried about our pass rush next yr, I believe we will be much better against the run but we really only have 1 true pass rusher in RK.[/quote]I understand the view point of only having '1 true pass rusher' but I think the additional pieces are going to make the overall pass rush much, much better then last year and create a situation where a complementary pass rusher can emerge opposite Ryan (who I consider a top 5 OLB).

Paea 8.7 PRP (pass rush productivity) adds 31 hurries, 11 QB hits and 5 sacks to the team

Murph (6.9 PRP) had 15 hurries, 6 QB hits and 3 sacks playing about half the snaps a typical 34 OLB would...IF doubling his snaps equal doubling production 30 hurries, 12 hits and 6 sacks isn't a bad line for the #2 passing rushing OLB


Preston is a highly productive pass rusher in his own right. Granted its only college, but its the only measure we have right now but he had pass rush productivity of 11.1 which is really good. 307 snaps-24 hurries-8 QB hits-10 sacks.

Add the above three to an already good pass rushing duo:

Ryan-12.2 PRP -50 hurries-8 QB hits-13 sacks
Hatcher-9.1 PRP-26 hurries-5 QB hits-7 sacks

(Also you have 2 guys who were productive right away in limited snaps Trev Williams who physically is a small but fast pure speed rusher and Jeffcoat)

Last year's defense was tied for 21st in sacks with 36; with the pieces Scott added I expect an improvement (5-10 spot jump)

DynamiteRave 05-06-2015 06:19 PM

Re: New Look Defense
 
Our D-Line this year just looks like some nasty MFers.

[IMG]http://prod.images.redskins.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/REDSKINS/assets/images/imported/WAS/photos/clubimages/2015/05-May/temp050615_phase2_58--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.JPG?width=960&height=720[/IMG]

Kindoy 05-06-2015 06:23 PM

Re: New Look Defense
 
[quote=30gut;1112972]I understand the view point of only having '1 true pass rusher' but I think the additional pieces are going to make the overall pass rush much, much better then last year and create a situation where a complementary pass rusher can emerge opposite Ryan (who I consider a top 5 OLB).[/quote]

Agreed. Kerrigan along with the added big guys eating up blocks, improved (fingers crosses) secondary play and the duo of Murph/Smith should be able to generate a pass rush.

Can't think of too many teams off the top of my head with two "true pass rushers" anyways.

Kindoy 05-06-2015 06:26 PM

Re: New Look Defense
 
[quote=DynamiteRave;1112978]Our D-Line this year just looks like some nasty MFers.

[IMG]http://prod.images.redskins.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/REDSKINS/assets/images/imported/WAS/photos/clubimages/2015/05-May/temp050615_phase2_58--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.JPG?width=960&height=720[/IMG][/quote]

Our goal line DL of Hatcher / Baker / Knighton / Kearse / Paea is what's going to be nasty.

30gut 05-08-2015 08:49 PM

Re: New Look Defense
 
Preston Smith

6'5--271

40--4.71
10--1.60
Vert--34
Broad--10'01
3 cone--7.07

Miss St Stats:
27 TFL 16 Sacks
[YT]watch?v=EgnJjcG5Two[/YT]

My comp for Preston...Michael Bennett
6'3--274

40--5.13/4.86
10--1.78/1.62
Vert--31
Broad--09'02

A&M Stats:
19.5 TFL 6.5 Sacks
[YT]watch?v=5oMZzA0Dutg[/YT]

That Guy 05-09-2015 07:00 AM

Re: New Look Defense
 
orakpo is a better comp if you're just comparing combine numbers.

30gut 05-09-2015 09:41 PM

Re: New Look Defense
 
[quote=That Guy;1113146]orakpo is a better comp if you're just comparing combine numbers.[/quote]I'm comparing them more on playing style (take a look at the vid) and body type then combine numbers, I just threw those up for reference.

Smith played all over the DL like Bennett does. Lined up at DE or DT or as a stand-up rusher. They're physiques are similar and I would bet Scott has Bennett in mind when he sees Smith. I just posted the combine numbers for a common frame of reference; and they actually show that Smith is the better athlete and was a more productive college player between the two players.

When I see Smith I see a more athletic Bennett, hopefully he can come close to matching his Bennett's NFL production.

skinsfaninok 05-09-2015 11:27 PM

Re: New Look Defense
 
I'd compare Smith to another smith, Antonio smith. Or someone like an aldon Smith just not as athletic. Just MO. I just hope he's a good player and I believe he is

MTK 05-25-2015 12:12 PM

Re: New Look Defense
 
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/17604/joe-barry-dashon-goldson-exactly-what-you-want]Washington Redskins' Joe Barry: Dashon Goldson 'exactly what you want' - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

I wish we could sticky this for the next time someone gets their panties in a bunch over the 3-4 vs the 4-3...

[B]On running the 3-4:[/B] "I was a 4-3 guy for years and then the last four years in San Diego, being involved in the 3-4. That’s the thing people don’t realize: You’re in a base 3-4 about 15-18 snaps a game because the NFL has gotten to the point where it’s a sub league, meaning they’re in nickel personnel groups about 75 to 80 percent of the time. When you’re talking about a base 3-4 team or a base 4-3 team, that’s 20 percent of the game. The other 80 percent you’re in nickel, you’re in dime. So, no, I really don’t get hung up and caught up in base 4-3 or base 3-4. I learned it. I really enjoyed it the last four years and it’s a perfect fit here because we are built from a base defense to be a 3-4.”

Chico23231 05-25-2015 12:32 PM

Re: New Look Defense
 
[quote=Mattyk;1113794][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/17604/joe-barry-dashon-goldson-exactly-what-you-want]Washington Redskins' Joe Barry: Dashon Goldson 'exactly what you want' - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

I wish we could sticky this for the next time someone gets their panties in a bunch over the 3-4 vs the 4-3...

[B]On running the 3-4:[/B] "I was a 4-3 guy for years and then the last four years in San Diego, being involved in the 3-4. That’s the thing people don’t realize: You’re in a base 3-4 about 15-18 snaps a game because the NFL has gotten to the point where it’s a sub league, meaning they’re in nickel personnel groups about 75 to 80 percent of the time. When you’re talking about a base 3-4 team or a base 4-3 team, that’s 20 percent of the game. The other 80 percent you’re in nickel, you’re in dime. So, no, I really don’t get hung up and caught up in base 4-3 or base 3-4. I learned it. I really enjoyed it the last four years and it’s a perfect fit here because we are built from a base defense to be a 3-4.”[/quote]

Good read. I'm really hoping we hit with this Barry hire....coming from haz, he seems like a breath of fresh air, certainly a different energy who seems like he wants these guys work hard off the field and just come to play football on Sunday. Haz squad sometime seemed mentally unprepared and seemed like he his scheme was more complicated than most. I just want our d to come out, play loose and with energy.

Hog1 05-25-2015 01:01 PM

Re: New Look Defense
 
[quote=Chico23231;1113796]Good read. I'm really hoping we hit with this Barry hire....coming from haz, he seems like a breath of fresh air, certainly a different energy who seems like he wants these guys work hard off the field and just come to play football on Sunday. Haz squad sometime seemed mentally unprepared and seemed like he his scheme was more complicated than most. I [B]just want our d to come out, play loose and with energy[/B].[/quote]

........And pound the Shit out of every team they face
We need a guy who can't be stopped....like Manley...like Mann....like Butz
Maybe under the new regime, RK, or Smith....or PotRoast

skinsfan69 05-25-2015 01:15 PM

Re: New Look Defense
 
[quote=Mattyk;1113794][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/17604/joe-barry-dashon-goldson-exactly-what-you-want]Washington Redskins' Joe Barry: Dashon Goldson 'exactly what you want' - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

I wish we could sticky this for the next time someone gets their panties in a bunch over the 3-4 vs the 4-3...

[B]On running the 3-4:[/B] "I was a 4-3 guy for years and then the last four years in San Diego, being involved in the 3-4. That’s the thing people don’t realize: You’re in a base 3-4 about 15-18 snaps a game because the NFL has gotten to the point where it’s a sub league, meaning they’re in nickel personnel groups about 75 to 80 percent of the time. When you’re talking about a base 3-4 team or a base 4-3 team, that’s 20 percent of the game. The other 80 percent you’re in nickel, you’re in dime. So, no, I really don’t get hung up and caught up in base 4-3 or base 3-4. I learned it. I really enjoyed it the last four years and it’s a perfect fit here because we are built from a base defense to be a 3-4.”[/quote]

At this point who cares? Just stop someone on 3rd down and stop giving up so many big plays.


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