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[QUOTE=Daseal]Hey Schneed - last time I checked the Texans are doing an amazing job with personel and they had more wins than us. Not bad for an expansion team.[/QUOTE]

Yah, 1 more.....last year.
And that comment was presumably after the Texans 2003 5-11 season, which coincidentally matched the Skins record under the fabulous Steve Spurrier. I guess they just wanted to find a different way of going 5-11.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I won't deny Gibbs himself was also to blame, but at the same time there isn't another coach I trust more to fix this offense. Gibbs will get it done, if he doesn't it won't be for a lack of effort... and that's a lot more than we can say about you know who.[/QUOTE]

Oh come on now........swinging those golf clubs took a lot of effort. Just ask his caddie Danny Wuerffle....those things can be heavy.

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That's like if Lombardi came back to coach the Packers, and everyone was supposed to just forget about his past accomplishments and judge him for today alone.

Not gonna happen.

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Good god, what's going on in this thread? It really must be the middle of may...

Gibbs switches to more zone blocking and the shot gun. What in the world is the problem??? My guess is that both sides of the debate are correct.

1. The offense was weak last year. Gibbs is responsible for that (he'd absolutely be the first to admit that, and he has repeatedly). So it's completely reasonable to quetsion his coaching--until it works on the field, it doesn't mean a thing. And who cares--in the context of winning games in 2005--what went on in the 80's?

2. BUT--here's the main reason to respect Gibbs: he's wise enough to make the changes, and he works hard all the time to make the team better. We learned that he's making what we all feel are the correct changes--zone blocking, screens, down-field passing, etc--why is this an opportuinity to knock him? He's doing what we want, change-wise. My guess is that he's considered slants, anything that works. That's why he's a good coach.

DId Spurrier change his offense in his second year? No. That's why he's back in college. He can bitch all he wants about not getting to pick his QB (didn't he pick Mathews and Wurfell?), but the system didn't work, and he didn't adapt. Gibbs is at least trying to make the changes, and bringing in people who can help.

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I have no problem with the 4 great O-Linemen we have but after them we have no depth. Hopefully they dont take a single play off this year or we are USC without a paddle.

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aprius--you seem to have info on the second year guys that we lack, or you for some reason are very doubtful of their progress. I guess that the one thing I feel pretty good about is knowing that they've been with Bugel from day one of their pro careers--and didn't one of them start a game last year and do well, before hurting his knee? What is the source of your pessimism about these guys? Their youth? Something else? Just curious.

ANother point is that Friedman is probably a better guard than center, so he gives more depth there. BUt whatever. I think the pieces are there, and the rest is chemistry and coaching. And I've yet to be convinced that Bugel and Gibbs can't figure out how to coach an O-line in 2005. But we'll see!

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I know alot of guys go through a soph slump and if they all do it this year we are in trouble. And, yes, one did start before hurting his knee but that brings up question marks right there....Is he going to be an oft injured player? I worry about their inexperience not their youth. ST is as young but he proved that he can play. None of these guys has.

Friedman was a bad backup that became a starter by having no other options. I have faith in Bugel and Gibbs....not so much in our personnel.

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[QUOTE=saden1]Bowen sucks. I'm willing to bet he won't be starting this year! We can't live in the past. Gibbs' first year back was bad. Let's hope his second year is as good as those we reminisce about.[/QUOTE]

Bowens is my opinion plays to aggressive against the p/a & w/o blazing speed gets burned by the WR on the posts or deep outs. Saw it happen to many times in the past. We need Taylor to get his ass into camp & start playing some damn fine ball!

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[quote=daseal]I like to look at what's wrong with the team and deal with it[/quote]
how? firing the staff? making personnel trades? we can't do anything but watch and flap our gums ;)

[quote=JWSleep]DId Spurrier change his offense in his second year? No. That's why he's back in college.[/quote]

honestly, going from 9 to 25 on defense (or whatever it was) was a bigger problem than his average offense...

be easy on daseal, he's training to be the next curmudgeon and there are some growing pains involved... just give him a couple years to develop and he should be putting up some decent numbers (wha??) ;)

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Hey Schneed - last time I checked the Texans are doing an amazing job with personel and they had more wins than us. Not bad for an expansion team.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't the one with the Texans comment. I have a lot of respect for Casserly.

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Sorry Schneed, my mistake!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]It's the old chicken or the egg debate...

Some people think we didn't go downfield last year simply because Gibbs choose not to. Personally I find that a little hard to believe and I think there are a multitude of reasons behind the scenes that aren't always very obvious.

In Gibbs first go round, he was always a deep strike guy. Rypien used to throw bombs all over the place. So why would he all of a sudden pull in the reins and shorten the field? Could it have been due to some other circumstances like a shaky OL and Gibbs' adjustment period to today's attacking-style NFL defenses?

How about a new system and the adjustment period that goes along with that, especially for the QBs. How about our WRs? Gardner isn't a serious deep threat, and Coles toe has obviously effected his game. We can argue all we want whether the WRs have been upgraded, but if you're talking about pure speed, then yes we did upgrade with Moss and Patten.

I won't deny Gibbs himself was also to blame, but at the same time there isn't another coach I trust more to fix this offense. Gibbs will get it done, if he doesn't it won't be for a lack of effort... and that's a lot more than we can say about you know who.[/QUOTE]

A-friggin-men. Well said, Matty.

Daseal, I flat out disagree with your assessment of our WRs. Gardner would make a decent situational #3 (as long as the situation wasn't one where a crucial first-down catch was necessary). He's NOT a good #2. You can't look at his stats for the whole picture, his stats line does not show DROPS. He is not dependable enough, too inconsistent.

Coles is good, but he's not the deep threat we need with a bum toe, he can't get downfield.

If you're asking for deep threats in a passing game, I can't see how you'd be displeased with our current WRs.

But you and I have argued all these points before, it gets us nowhere. Basically your whole argument boils down to: last year Gibbs had the WRs to get it done, he just didn't call the right plays. Now this year, he doesn't have the WRs to get it done in the deep passing game. Basically, everything the guy does you think is retarded. And then on the other hand, you're saying you think he'll be successful in three years. I don't get it.

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If you were old enough to watch the old Gibbs teams in the eighties and early nineties, I think most would agree its kind of tough to "forget about it". I don't want to forget. Those were the pinnacle years for the Redskins! There's nothing wrong with learning from mistakes (aka Gibbs 2004 season) and moving forward. We have confidence in Joe because he's done it before and we see no reason he can do it again. In our "internet, give-it-to-me-now" generation, development has become a analogy for failure. I just can't forget Super Bowl 17, 4th and 1, Riggins ripping down the sideline, faster than ANYONE thought. It hadn't worked the whole game but we stuck with it. Today, we would have given up that play.
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If he makes the progression everyone here says he'll make I'll be the first in line to congratulate him on a job well done. However it will be October/November before we can really pans out.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]If he makes the progression everyone here says he'll make I'll be the first in line to congratulate him on a job well done. However it will be October/November before we can really pans out.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but there might not be any room on the bandwagon at that point.