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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1233705]That is a bad comparison because of Murray's mobility and threat to run, you have to defend Murray much differently than Haskins. Until he gets the mental part of the NFL game down Murray can rely on his athleticism to get by until enough film is gathered on him. Relying on athleticism until the rest of his game develops isn't an option for Haskins.[/quote]


[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1233720][B]50 TDs in a college conference where they actually play defense is nothing to sneeze at.[/B] Best way to learn on the job is to actually do the job. It isn't like we have a top flight QB playing ahead of him, we have trash. We are basically parading garbage out there and calling it filet mignon[/quote]

No arguing that point, but often a QB's great college stats can be meaningless due to the fact he is playing on a team that usually has a huge talent edge over opponents. Ohio State had 9 total players drafted and 6 of those were on offense. That number was only exceeded by Alabama having 10. How many USC quarterbacks put up great numbers in college only to fail in the NFL?

The numbers a player puts up in college do not dictate readiness to play in the NFL. Haskins poor footwork and needing work on protecting himself better doesn't need to be done while risking his confidence and health.

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[quote=MTK;1233717]Such an odd narrative that's out there right now.[/quote]

That is a weird one, like Schneed said and common sense shows, Jones wasn't there when we drafted so how could we take Haskins over him

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1233726]No arguing that point, but often a QB's great college stats can be meaningless due to the fact he is playing on a team that usually has a huge talent edge over opponents. Ohio State had 9 total players drafted and 6 of those were on offense. That number was only exceeded by Alabama having 10. How many USC quarterbacks put up great numbers in college only to fail in the NFL?

The numbers a player puts up in college do not dictate readiness to play in the NFL. Haskins poor footwork and needing work on protecting himself better doesn't need to be done while risking his confidence and health.[/quote]

I look at each individual player. Haskins was the best player on that Ohio State offense last year. I still go back to you cannot tell me that Colt McCoy and Case Keenum at 0-5 with a lost season have more to gain from playing than Haskins does. Whether he is "ready" or not is poppycock, what rookie is 100% ready? The man needs to learn on the job to see what we have and Miami is the perfect team to do that against. What do we have to lose? Dropping to 0-6?????

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It just goes to show how delusional this organization is...they're still focused on "winning games" right now, like the season isn't lost and they are still in the playoff hunt. Case and Colt give the team the best chance to win against Miami...sure...but who cares? Maybe they realize that this game is the only possible one left to win so they don't go 0-16...because 1-15 is much better??? (rolls eyes) Maybe Haskins turns into something great, maybe they hire the coach that turns it around...but I'm not expecting either of those things to happen. 2 to 3 years from now we'll be doing this all over again.

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[quote=J. Falcon;1233658]If we hadn't drafted Haskins with the 15 pick this year, just imagine the fan reaction.[/quote]

I can't imagine it being any worst then it is now. If you as a nfl team are drafting solely on fan reaction well you end up with the quality of a team like the deadskins.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1233704]When we got Haskins at 15 everyone on this board was thrilled and we got As from most pundits. He's not coming along quickly. But it's also too soon to label him a bust.[/QUOTE]

"some" isn't spelled e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e.

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Personally I wasn't thrilled with the Haskins pick, especially knowing it was Snyder's call.

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I was excited just because it was something to be excited about. So little excitement here.

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Heard too many experts say he wasn't going to be ready, plus 14 teams passed on him, several with QB needs. I recall Cooley being very lukewarm on him.

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I think a lot of us were just happy they didnt trade a bundle to move up and get him. I was "fine" with the Haskins pick at 15.

Payne over Derwin James still pisses me off though. Compound the angts by giving an in the box Landon Collins 45M guar over the next 3 years. Collins seems to stay healthy though which can not be discounted.

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[quote=SunnySide;1233747]I think a lot of us were just happy they didnt trade a bundle to move up and get him. I was "fine" with the Haskins pick at 15.

Payne over Derwin James still pisses me off though. Compound the angts by giving an in the box Landon Collins 45M guar over the next 3 years. Collins seems to stay healthy though which can not be discounted.[/quote]

I won't judge the Landon Collins signing until I see what a better defensive coaching staff can get out of him. Manusky calls games like a pussy and schemes up the softest zones around. A coach with a more aggressive style could get a lot more out of Collins.

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The reason I prefer Haskins over both Keenum and McCoy is both the latter have played mediocre.....Keenum actually played okay during weeks 1 and 2 but regressed in weeks 3 and 4....McCoy meanwhile looked like some journeyman crap against New England.....unless Callahan feels the Redskins can make a push to the playoffs in the next 11 games, he should play Haskins otherwise.

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Haskins needs to be playing. We do not have a valid option in front of him. And it doesn't matter if he plays bad and loses. It's all about getting those experience points up.

Although I guess I'm not against waiting till the bye week as long as the plan is clear among the coaches and front office and Haskins is aware. Give him 2 weeks with the 1st team for a game against the Jets.

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[quote=Schneed10;1233750]I won't judge the Landon Collins signing until I see what a better defensive coaching staff can get out of him. Manusky calls games like a pussy and schemes up the softest zones around. A coach with a more aggressive style could get a lot more out of Collins.[/quote]

When Jim Harbaugh took over in SF Manusky was canned and replaced with Fangio, the 49er defense went from 16th to 2nd pretty much utilizing the same personnel. What does that tell you?

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[quote=Schneed10;1233750]I won't judge the Landon Collins signing until I see what a better defensive coaching staff can get out of him. Manusky calls games like a pussy and schemes up the softest zones around. A coach with a more aggressive style could get a lot more out of Collins.[/quote]

Collins played a hell of a lot better for the Giants, so I agree about Manusky but not putting him a place to succeed, that goes for the whole
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