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[quote=Kope;299789]Wartime the stars are forward. Peace time the flag faces the other way. Look at how the flag was worn in the begining of bosnia and the way it is worn now.

Army Regulation 670-1, “Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia,” updated most recently September 5, 2003, addresses explicitly the
proper and lawful placement of the U.S. flag patch on the Army uniform.

the date is from after the war started

As for the rest of the issue...I appriciate the NFLs support (I think it is great they send cheerleaders and players over to see us) and I think it is great the league incorperates flyovers and the national anthem etc..., I am not about to tell an american you says "Hey thanks for your service" - thanks but your flag is backwards. I am going to say thanks, and mean it.[/quote]

You got some of your facts mixed up. I was in Kuwait in 1998 and we wore the Flag the same way then. The change in 2003 was merely to make servicemembers wear it permenantly. In otherwords so that they no longer had to remove it from the uniform every time they came home only to put it back on in a year or so. So you are incorrect to say that they wore it differently in Bosnia. Let me guess that you based that assumption on "Black-Hawk Down". It is unlawfull to impersonate a U.S. soldier, Hollywood has to make mitakes on uniforms and various other things.

Look I am not arguing this point anymore. I sent an Email to Coach Gibbs's people. If it actually gets to him I requested him to have somebody talk to the NFL Commissioner about it. If something happens, then it happens, but I am done. I am going to eat humble pie and have a nice hot cup of STFU!

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;299784]Good point CRT! That point you brought up is actually a federal law and can be found in the Flag Code of the United States. If a flag is to be flown between the hours of sunset and sunrise, it is to be illuminated on all sides.

As a retired military man of 24 years I agree about the placement of the flags on the helments. That is the way it was on my uniforms in Iraq and Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your service. Just out of curiousity, what branch of service were you in and which units were you with?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;299951]Thanks for your service. Just out of curiousity, what branch of service were you in and which units were you with?[/quote]

US Army

C 1/19th Feild Artillery, Fort Sill
D 2/80th Field Artillery, Fort Sill
C1/9th Field Artillery, Fort Stewart 3 ID
A 5/7th Air Defense Artillery, Germany
B 442nd Signal Battalion, Fort Gordon

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[QUOTE]You got some of your facts mixed up. I was in Kuwait in 1998 and we wore the Flag the same way then. The change in 2003 was merely to make servicemembers wear it permenantly. In otherwords so that they no longer had to remove it from the uniform every time they came home only to put it back on in a year or so. So you are incorrect to say that they wore it differently in Bosnia. Let me guess that you based that assumption on "Black-Hawk Down". It is unlawfull to impersonate a U.S. soldier, Hollywood has to make mitakes on uniforms and various other things.
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Actually I based it on what I wore on my sleeve in bosnia, we had some of the same conversations there - but that is how my unit wore it.

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[quote=Kope;299974]Actually I based it on what I wore on my sleeve in bosnia, we had some of the same conversations there - but that is how my unit wore it.[/quote]

What unit were you with? I am not asking that to trouble shoot you. You obviously joined a little bit before I did.

The one key factor that I might have missed is that "It is all at the discretion of the Commander." So if that is the way he wanted you to wear it the way you did, then that is what you did. However, yours is the only circumstance in which I have heard that. Other than SOCOM or Black Ops not wearing them at all.

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[quote=Kope;299974]Actually I based it on what I wore on my sleeve in bosnia, we had some of the same conversations there - but that is how my unit wore it.[/quote

Accidentally almost posted it twice.

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[QUOTE]What unit were you with? I am not asking that to trouble shoot you. You obviously joined a little bit before I did. [/QUOTE]

10th MTN (LI)

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thank you for 24 years of serving our country,and protecting all of us!

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[QUOTE=angryssg;299978]However, yours is the only circumstance in which I have heard that. Other than SOCOM or Black Ops not wearing them at all.[/QUOTE]

See and I've never really understood that. My friend was in the 75th RR and I asked him, "Why don't guys like you wear flags? It's not like people won't know you're Americans." He basically said it just looks cool.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;300093]See and I've never really understood that. My friend was in the 75th RR and I asked him, "Why don't guys like you wear flags? It's not like people won't know you're Americans." He basically said it just looks cool.[/quote]

It's that whole illusion of denial thing. If they aint sporting the flag; then they we not sent by the Government. Yeah right. But in their defense they usually don't get caught anyway.

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I understand about the whole flag thing and wanting it displayed correctly. If you remember a few years back during the World Series (I know Baseball) the Canadian Flag was carried into the stadium upside down. That really upset a few Canadians, so I can see you point of wanting your National flag displayed properly. Good luck with you quest.

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4 of my former roommates are now officers in the Marine Corps and the Navy. They are not sticklers for the dress codes (ie haircuts, sideburns, facial hair, etc) b/c they are all gonna be pilots. But they do hold the flags, sabres, and general symbolism in high regard. When we were at tailgates they had 4 flags always displayed (Marine Corps, Navy, US, and the Maryland flag). They have mentioned to me about the flag patches on uniforms being reversed but they seemed to think that it was ok b/c it was done for aesthetic value. Plus since no one on the team is actually serving in the military there is no real breach of etiquette.