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Taylor is a great player, but what a jerk. It's too bad that GW vouched for that .......

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]In my book, spitting is worse than throwing a punch because it's such a total lack of class and sportsmanship.

In the heat of the battle, punches will fly on occassion and to me that's much more understandable than someone resorting to the punk-ass action of spitting at someone.

I can still respect someone who gets heated and throws a punch. But someone who spits I just lose all respect for.

Now don't get me wrong, I still think ST is a heck of a player and I'd rather have him on our side, but in the end he's a punk with alot of growing up to do. He could have cost his team the game, and that's a very selfish and immature thing to do.[/QUOTE]

I respect your opinion but I see it pretty much the opposite.

Yes, spitting is disgusting - but it amounts to nothing more than an immature lack of respect in my book. Throwing punches, or worse, something like Marcus Vick stomping down on the calf of an opponent is far worse.

Just my opinion and I'm sure many disagree - I just feel that violence and a clear intent to inflict serious bodily injury on someone is far worse than hocking some spit which is just gross.

What further compounds the whole Taylor situation is that he lied about it. Somebody doing something like that in the heat of the moment is bad enough and shows a lack of control and discipline. Lying about it straight to both your coaches, your team and the entire country shows an utter lack of character.

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I herd bout this video one some gay WJFK show. I looked for it but i knew all i had to do was come and here and it would be here. Man that sucks its so unfortunate. DISTRACTION!! EXACTLY WAHT WE DONT NEED.

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Just a shade off topic here, but can anyone tell me where the fine money goes? I mean players get fined on a regular basis and over the course of the season I'm sure it adds up to millions. What does the NFL do with the money?

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[QUOTE=mheisig]I respect your opinion but I see it pretty much the opposite.

Yes, spitting is disgusting - but it amounts to nothing more than an immature lack of respect in my book. Throwing punches, or worse, something like Marcus Vick stomping down on the calf of an opponent is far worse."

In the football sense i don think its anyworse because they all yeild the same concequnces. Getting thrown out of the game. That interutps tempo and the flow of the defense

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]This is exactly my point. Carey essentially felt the act was so disgusting that Taylor deserved to be smacked. That's BS, refs should not have power to interpret the rulebook based on their emotions. Carey experienced the emotion of disgust and levied a ruling partially based on that emotion; that's not rational judgment.

It probably explains why the NFL didn't hit ST with much of a fine.[/QUOTE]

I tend to agree. I thought that there should have been offsetting 15 yard penalties and an ejection for ST. That would have been the proper way to officiate the play in my opinion. It is not up to the official to determine whether ilegal actions by one party excuse the ilegal actions of another. Basicaly, the ref here applied the "two wrongs make a right" rule. Absurd...

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THere's something particularly nasty and negative about spitting in someone's face--in football, they're hitting each other all the time. Spitting is a different kind of thing--it's a sort of personal disrespect. I think it's totally appropriate that Taylor was tossed. One the video, listen to the skins response to the ref--he says that Taylor spit in Pittman's face; the skins (I think it's Prileau or Stoutmeyer, maybe (sps??)) say oh! and stop asking questions. I think most players would agree that it was the right move. About the retaliation--hard to say.

My main hope is that Taylor friggin learns from this!!! My god, he almost cost us the game in the playoffs! Can you imagine what this thread would be like if the bucs had caught that pass that got behind our depleted secondary? Wow. He needs to wake up--you can't act like a punk. It hurts the team.

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I heard that this video on putfile, is a doctored video. I have seen several views and even watched the game in slo mo at home last night, and there is nothing there.

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Staks--that's interesting. Where did you hear that it was doctored? I, too, wondered that--not the rest of the vid, but just the obvious lugie that you see. If that's the netwrok feed, why didn't they show it? It's crucial and graphic video, just the sort of thing that you replay over and over...

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I like you (except for the dude from Scotland, and the down under guy.......and 5rings) am an AMERICAN. I am proud of America, and the American institution of football. It occupies a signifigant amount of my time. As we all know Football is a violent sport. Sometmes things get out of hand and the violence goes beyond the allowable "play". Not acceptable, but understandable. Take your penalty and be on your way with dignity, pride, intact.

Spitting on an opponent has NOTHING to do with the game. It's akin' to taking a shit on the field of play. Just NASTY!!!!!!!! I mean is that REALLY necessary. To an American (and I am sure everone else-rightly, or wrongly) it is an extreme sign of disrespect. NOT understandable and NOT acceptable. he deserves what he got and maybe more. I have tremendous respect for ST and the job he does. Definately one of my favorite dudes. Let's just say I am pissed off by this. He needs to pay the price for his indiscretion, learn from it and be done with it! Dude needs NO MORE trouble in his life.

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A friend of mine who authenticates videos, said that the video looks doctored. He told me to watch the film, check out how, the spitting section of the video comes up, the video breaks up into single frames, not regular slo mo. I am sure that some crappy website would have this visual proof, before ESPN or any other media outlet (thats saracasm).

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[QUOTE=Stacks42]A friend of mine who authenticates videos, said that the video looks doctored. He told me to watch the film, check out how, the spitting section of the video comes up, the video breaks up into single frames, not regular slo mo. I am sure that some crappy website would have this visual proof, before ESPN or any other media outlet (thats saracasm).[/QUOTE]

I would not like to believe in this conspiracy theory and before we lose any credibility as Redskins fans, I motion for us to take this with a grain of salt and think about Seattle (even though I did start the thread :)).

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Guys, lets save all the legal/ethical debates for the offseason. I can't believe we are [b][u]one win[/u][/b] away from the conference championship game & here we are discussing someone's saliva. If he did it, he should be ashamed, if he didn't then he got screwed out of $17K, if the tape has been tampered with then someone has too much time on their hands. Either way, it changes nothing. Get past it...

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Just curious, if the roles were reversed, if Pittman spit at Taylor, would you have the same exact opinion of the incident?? I'm sure you'll say yes for the sake of supporting your "unemotional views", but I'm inclined to think you wouldn't have the same view.[/QUOTE]

What an absurd question. Is this not a site for fans of the Redskins? Why on Earth are you so hell-bent on tearing down the guys who play for them?

Q: What does Michael Pittman say to a woman with two black eyes?
A: Nothing. He's already told that bitch twice to sit down and shut up.

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Just watching 'Sounds of the Game' on NFL Network and they had the referee Mike Carey wired for sound. He was all over Taylor right away. Another ref tried to lobby for offsetting fouls for Pittman's punch but was rebuffed by Carey. The other official responds "Are you sure Mike?" Carey then announces that there will be no flag for retaliation. Later, when Omar Stoutmire asks Carey why Taylor was ejected, Carey tells him that he spit on Pittman and nearly spit on him (Carey) as well. "That would have been really bad" says Carey. After watching that I have no doubt about what happened. Taylor was the spitter. If I am Gregg Williams I am not happy about being lied to either. Everyone makes mistakes but to lie about it is childish and reveals a lack of character. He put Williams in bad position.

Alot of the highlights were based around Mike Carey's being miked and I have to say that he did a great job in that game. If the league had 15 more like him Mike Perreira would have alot less explaining to do on Wednesdays.

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[QUOTE=70Chip]Just watching 'Sounds of the Game' on NFL Network and they had the referee Mike Carey wired for sound. He was all over Taylor right away. Another ref tried to lobby for offsetting fouls for Pittman's punch but was rebuffed by Carey. The other official responds "Are you sure Mike?" Carey then announces that there will be no flag for retaliation. Later, when Omar Stoutmire asks Carey why Taylor was ejected, Carey tells him that he spit on Pittman and nearly spit on him (Carey) as well. "That would have been really bad" says Carey. After watching that I have no doubt about what happened. Taylor was the spitter. If I am Gregg Williams I am not happy about being lied to either. Everyone makes mistakes but to lie about it is childish and reveals a lack of character. He put Williams in bad position.[/quote]

FYI, TMC posted that clip to the first post of this thread.

[QUOTE=70Chip]Alot of the highlights were based around Mike Carey's being miked and I have to say that he did a great job in that game. If the league had 15 more like him Mike Perreira would have alot less explaining to do on Wednesdays.[/QUOTE]
I agree 100% - I really thought the refs did a good job in that game. I would have liked to see an offsetting penalty on Pittman, but I can understand Carey's decision.

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[QUOTE=70Chip]Just watching 'Sounds of the Game' on NFL Network and they had the referee Mike Carey wired for sound. He was all over Taylor right away. Another ref tried to lobby for offsetting fouls for Pittman's punch but was rebuffed by Carey. The other official responds "Are you sure Mike?" Carey then announces that there will be no flag for retaliation. Later, when Omar Stoutmire asks Carey why Taylor was ejected, Carey tells him that he spit on Pittman and nearly spit on him (Carey) as well. "That would have been really bad" says Carey. After watching that I have no doubt about what happened. Taylor was the spitter. If I am Gregg Williams I am not happy about being lied to either. Everyone makes mistakes but to lie about it is childish and reveals a lack of character. He put Williams in bad position.

Alot of the highlights were based around Mike Carey's being miked and I have to say that he did a great job in that game. If the league had 15 more like him Mike Perreira would have alot less explaining to do on Wednesdays.[/QUOTE]

Okay, I didn't see the program...could you see Taylor spit from their camera angles or was it the same angle just with Carey being miked?

I don't know, I'm just asking.

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[QUOTE=dgack]What an absurd question. Is this not a site for fans of the Redskins? Why on Earth are you so hell-bent on tearing down the guys who play for them?

Q: What does Michael Pittman say to a woman with two black eyes?
A: Nothing. He's already told that bitch twice to sit down and shut up.[/QUOTE]

One has nothing to do with the other.

I'm not tearing down ST, he's done that to himself quite well.

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Its NFL Films so it's a different view than ESPN. I didn't see any spit per se but Carey definitely saw something. It may be that the video that shows the spit was doctored to frame a guilty man. Someone with better computers than me should compare. I use dial up so I don't even like to download video. It takes too long. However, I suspect that if the NFL films angle was definitive it would be played ad nauseum in order to put Williams on the spot.

"How does it feel to be lied to coach?"

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[QUOTE=70Chip]Its NFL Films so it's a different view than ESPN. I didn't see any spit per se but Carey definitely saw something. It may be that the video that shows the spit was doctored to frame a guilty man. Someone with better computers than me should compare. I use dial up so I don't even like to download video. It takes too long. However, I suspect that if the NFL films angle was definitive it would be played ad nauseum in order to put Williams on the spot.

"How does it feel to be lied to coach?"[/QUOTE]

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I think Pittman spit on Taylor and it's just running off Taylor's facemask! That sandbaggin' son-of-a-bitch!

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I gotta' say, doctored or not, I REALLY feel like we would have seen THAT much spit on the original replay.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I gotta' say, doctored or not, I REALLY feel like we would have seen THAT much spit on the original replay.[/QUOTE]

That's pretty much the way I feel too. Not that Taylor didn't do it, but, WOW, it's very visual, clear, and evident that Taylor spat. On all the other cameras, you don't see anything.....at all.

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The other thing, if you look at it a couple times again and again, you see that the spit falls from Taylor's face mask and as it goes to the ground, you can see it getting closer to Taylor.

The only way you can spit and then have the spit appear to come towards your body is if:
A) You are walking towards the spit and you catch up to it a bit.
B) You can spit boomerang style, projecting it out and then have it change direction in mid-air.

I'm not even kidding, this is a magic-loogie case! But seriously, the more I look at it, the more obvious it is that it's doctored. We all saw the replays on TV, and we know Taylor was not moving towards Pittman. He was standing still the whole time, and yet the spit fell towards Taylor's body.

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Also, I have a hard time believing that if Taylor really wanted to spit in Pittman's face, he wouldn't have been capable of spraying him right in the grill. If you're trying to spit on someone, that loogie comes flying out with force. You don't miss from 2 feet away. It doesn't make sense why a loog would dribble out of his mouth like the video shows.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Also, I have a hard time believing that if Taylor really wanted to spit in Pittman's face, he wouldn't have been capable of spraying him right in the grill. If you're trying to spit on someone, that loogie comes flying out with force. You don't miss from 2 feet away. It doesn't make sense why a loog would dribble out of his mouth like the video shows.[/QUOTE]

You know you're right. Look at the arc of the spit when it comes out. Taylor doesn't move but the spit looks like a basketball shot.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Also, I have a hard time believing that if Taylor really wanted to spit in Pittman's face, he wouldn't have been capable of spraying him right in the grill. If you're trying to spit on someone, that loogie comes flying out with force. You don't miss from 2 feet away. It doesn't make sense why a loog would dribble out of his mouth like the video shows.[/QUOTE]

It looks like it hits the bottom bar of his face mask. It may have got stuck on the bar and swung back towards him.

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Maybe Taylor is just a juicy talker??????

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The camera is panning right to left which makes it look like the spit is falling towards ST.

Let's say for a second the video is a fake, then how do the conspiracy theorists explain the audio from the clip? Pittman immediately starts yelling that Taylor spit at him.

I think I'd fall for the we didn't land on the moon conspiracy over this one.

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[QUOTE=FirstandTen]It looks like it hits the bottom bar of his face mask. It may have got stuck on the bar and swung back towards him.[/QUOTE]

Interesting theory, but I think we'd see some spit strings if that were the case (Jenna Jameson anyone? LOL). It appears to make it all the way to the edge of Pittman's facemask and then start backtracking towards Taylor.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]The camera is panning right to left which makes it look like the spit is falling towards ST.

Let's say for a second the video is a fake, then how do the conspiracy theorists explain the audio from the clip? Pittman immediately starts yelling that Taylor spit at him.

I think I'd fall for the we didn't land on the moon conspiracy over this one.[/QUOTE]

But that defies the laws of physics. If the camera is panning left, then Taylor and Pittman will appear to be moving right. If spit came out of Taylor's mouth, it should be moving to right and away from Taylor's body. But it actually moves closer to Taylor's body.

It almost appears like the spit was drawn in a vertical line over the screen, and just drops down on that vertical axis, as Taylor and Pittman move to the right as the camera pans. If you look at the screen and imagine that Taylor and Pittman aren't there, and that all you see is a black screen and the moving spit, it looks to me like the spit just falls straight down on the screen.

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Just look at it again Matty, you'll see what I'm talking about.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Interesting theory, but I think we'd see some spit strings if that were the case (Jenna Jameson anyone? LOL). It appears to make it all the way to the edge of Pittman's facemask and then start backtracking towards Taylor.[/QUOTE]

Wow. I can't believe you pulled that one out! LOL

And what's even sadder is that at least 99% of us know what you're talking about.:laughing2

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Tony McGee needs help Thread has 17 posts and there's been over 250 post on Sean's Loogie.....

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]The camera is panning right to left which makes it look like the spit is falling towards ST.

Let's say for a second the video is a fake, then how do the conspiracy theorists explain the audio from the clip? Pittman immediately starts yelling that Taylor spit at him.

I think I'd fall for the we didn't land on the moon conspiracy over this one.[/QUOTE]

Of course I'm trying anything to absolve our star player, but physics aside I truly believe we'd have seen that much spit in the original replay.

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There is nothing ****ing wrong with spitting. It is HARMLESS.

There is something wrong with throwing a punch at someone. Punches do more damage than spitting.

Michael Pittman is a terrible human being.

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Guys com'on. I think it is pretty obvious he spits at Pittman. The reason Pittman never wipes it off is that it never got to him. It was a wussy spit job but he did spit nonetheless. I am not the biggest fan of the message control on the NFL but I have grave doubts that they'd ever engage in a ploy to doctor a tape to make them seem right. That's just crazy.

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ugh this seriously is getting ridiculous, check that it got ridiculous about 200 posts ago.

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What harm is there in spitting?

Bodily fluid is exchanged in sports ALL THE TIME.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Guys com'on. I think it is pretty obvious he spits at Pittman. The reason Pittman never wipes it off is that it never got to him. It was a wussy spit job but he did spit nonetheless. I am not the biggest fan of the message control on the NFL but I have grave doubts that they'd ever engage in a ploy to doctor a tape to make them seem right. That's just crazy.[/QUOTE]
I agree