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Check this out, did LaVar screw himself yet again? This is from the NY Post

[quote]The way Accorsi and assistant GM Kevin Abrams structured the deal (steal?), the Giants assume virtually no risk. Given the status of the player involved, the signing bonus of $5.25 million is modest and, in terms of the salary cap, is virtually inconsequential when pro-rated over the life of the seven-year contract. The roster bonuses in the first two years of the deal are based on playing time, insuring the Giants against Arrington's right knee forcing him to the sideline.

An agent with knowledge of the contract was stunned by the numbers. "Terrible," he said when evaluating the deal from a players perspective. The Giants? "Fantastic . . . they did great," the agent said. "They were a team sitting in the perfect position."[/quote]

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[quote=Mattyk72]Check this out, did LaVar screw himself yet again? This is from the NY Post[/quote]

At this point he probably didn't have much leverage to negotiate.

By the looks of his deal, seems like he was willing to take on more contractual risk just to stay in the NFC East.

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The fact that he only got a $5.25 million signing bonus is astounding. He gave up $4.4 to leave Washington! Looks like he should have just restructured his contract and played for half as much...

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I used to be disgusted. Now I'm just amused

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[quote=TAFKAS]I especially like the last sentence you wrote there. It really speaks volumes about how low this franchise had sunk since Gibbs left the first time. We used to be a franchise whose fans expected at the very least to make and advance to the playoffs every year. And then we started becoming satisfied with minor "moral" victories like our star LB knocking out an aging QB who had been through countless concussions already. And as you say, this was during a loss no less. Our expecations for the team had become so low that we suddenly didn't even care that our franchise players (such as LaVar) weren't making the team any better. So long as they gave us this one highlight reel.

Well, the best part (or one of the best parts) about Gibbs return is that he's reminded all us fans that our expectations should be high. That we shouldn't be satisfied with the occassional big play. No, we should demand and expect a winning team year in and year out.

I'm not saying LaVar is entirely to blame for the endless problems that surrounded his tenure here. And there's no need to badmouth him as leaves. But we shouldn't be satisfied when we look back on his tenure here by saying well he intercepted a pass against the Panthers, and he knocked out Troy Aikman. More was expected of him, and he should have provided more. He may do very well with the Giants, and maybe he'll help them win division titles, playoff games, and even more. But he didn't do that for us. And we're starting to win without him.

Ok, now I'm just rambling. Point is-good luck lavar but I think we'll be ok without him[/quote]

I am not sure what you are talking about with low expectations. Every year the expectations for the Redskins was playoff bound. If anything, we had high expectations(righfully so with all the money Danny spends) and under performed. That is what it seems to me. I dont blame it on one person, it was a team effort we lost every single year. But I think some of the problems started from the TOP of the organization.(Danny being too hands on). I think a difference since Joe got here is very visible. Danny isn't in the picture, he is just signing the checks. Coaches are taking over the team or who plays and who doesn't. Joe is in charge of getting his players, and GW in charge of who he plays. This is a good sign for future years. I do think the organization is on the up and up with or without LaVar (obviously without) Guess I need to change my login.

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#56fanatic:

What are you planning to do now about your username... I mean you have over 650 posts... You can't just start over. I just hope the Redskins don't get a new #56 and he is teh suck. That would be awkward.

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[quote=Big C]sorry but this shows how much bs lavar was spitting at us earlier about loving the redskins. if he loved the redskins he never would have gone to giants[/quote]

Yah, and Art Monk would have never gone to the Eagles.....
And Gary Clark would have never gone to the Cardinals (then a division rival).......
And Brian Mitchell would have never gone to the Giants and Eagles.......

I mean come on, that's a higher standard than you would expect from any other professional athelete. Lavar never showed the Skins organization any less love than the organization showed him. Things didn't work out here, so be it. It's a shame, but it was a mutual understanding that this just wasn't going to be the place for Lavar anymore. But once he's a free agent, he's free to sign wherever he likes.......just like hundreds of other former Redskins who came through this organization.

Would you seriously doubt Gary Clark's, Art Monk's or B-Mitch's love for the Skins just because they went to rivals after playing here for most of their careers? All I ask is that guys leave gracefully, and that's exactly what Lavar did. Don't take parting shots at the organization on the way out, and I wish you nothing but luck except for when you play the skins. He handled himself as a professional on the way out the door.......too bad some of us on this board can't do the same.

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I can tell Daryl Elite and I share similar comedic stylings. LOLZ!!!!1

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[quote=Daryl Elite]#56fanatic:

What are you planning to do now about your username... I mean you have over 650 posts... You can't just start over. I just hope we don't get a new #56 and he is teh suck. That would be awkward.[/quote]

Might just keep it to piss some people off. Maybe we can get someone to fill the jersey. We forgot about Champ pretty quick w/ the way springs is playing. Maybe the next 56 can get us to forget about LaVar?

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Yeah, that'd be cool if we got a "new and improved" #56... True about Champ and Springs, definitely. You could also probably get an admin to move your posts over to another account...

TheMalcolmConnection:

AHAHAROFLLOLZBBQ!!1!11oneone!11eleven111

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[quote=#56fanatic]Maybe the next 56 can get us to forget about LaVar?[/quote]

I'm sure that won't be difficult, he's been an afterthought around Redskins Park for the last two years.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]I am not sure what you are talking about with low expectations. Every year the expectations for the Redskins was playoff bound. If anything, we had high expectations(righfully so with all the money Danny spends) and under performed. That is what it seems to me. I dont blame it on one person, it was a team effort we lost every single year. But I think some of the problems started from the TOP of the organization.(Danny being too hands on). I think a difference since Joe got here is very visible. Danny isn't in the picture, he is just signing the checks. Coaches are taking over the team or who plays and who doesn't. Joe is in charge of getting his players, and GW in charge of who he plays. This is a good sign for future years. I do think the organization is on the up and up with or without LaVar (obviously without) Guess I need to change my login.[/QUOTE]

All I'm saying is it's kind of sad that the franchise had sunk so low that things like LaVar's hit on Aikman were enough to make a lot of us think that was a successful season. But that's in the past. Onward and upward now. To infinity and beyond!

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bring it own twice a year.

i wish him the best but he is on the other side now.

me worry ,not really.

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At first I was worried that he would give away our defensive plays, but then I remembered that he didn't know them. I'm just glad I don't have to read anymore articles about how Lavar plays chess. Big deal, chess is lame. I liked Lavar until before the Seahawks game when he made it all about him. His departure was pretty much in the works ever since he took Danny to arbitration. Bottom line, I would much rather have the players that we used his 12 million on instead of just having Lavar.

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[quote=sullyjhu]At first I was worried that he would give away our defensive plays, but then I remembered that he didn't know them. I'm just glad I don't have to read anymore articles about how Lavar plays chess. Big deal, chess is lame. I liked Lavar until before the Seahawks game when he made it all about him. His departure was pretty much in the works ever since he took Danny to arbitration. Bottom line, I would much rather have the players that we used his 12 million on instead of just having Lavar.[/quote]

Are you serious....he didn't know them?? Are you kidding me?? Okay, him not knowing and not executing are two different things. But pahlease don't act like LaVar was some idiot who had no idea what he was doing!

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I for one am very pleased to see Lavar in our division, that means twice a year we have simple game planning and have the pleasure of watching Lavar constantly running in the wrong direction, should make Saundes job that much easier.

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I...agree...with you. I DO think he'll be improved, but I think he'll make 3 stupid plays for every highlight reel play.

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im glad he got his muuney although i wood have prefered it to be in another division cant have ur cake and eat it too

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I just hope he doesn't try to hit brunnel like Aikman

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I remember the unselfish Lavar, that when ever he made a tackle he tried to blow the tacklee right out of his socks. (Aikman) Where he would have to go the sideline to make sure he had all of his limbs. And then Lavar would be laying on the field cause he hit someone so hard he rung his own bell. then what happened. Maybe he has the same thing that Ali has. He's punched out. At least it will seem that way twice a year.

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Adding Lavar to those two DE's will help thier big play ability. He is going to make plays. He is also going to miss reads and leave his position. Lavar's biggest impact may be knocking someone out of a game. Remember the hit on Alex Smith? I don't think Brunnel would have come back from that and still been effective.

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I think it's great that Arrington signed with the Giants. It will spice up our games with them, as long as he doesn't injure Mark. But Gregg Williams will have a plan for him - it will be fun to watch.

LaVar wasn't going to get it done here - there was too much baggage for him created by his erratic behavior. And he just couldn't submerge his interests into the team's interests in terms of playing within the scheme. This was always a problem with him.

I hope he gets it together in New York. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.

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Kinda funny how Ramsey and LaVar will both be playing in the home same stadium still, though with different teams

Who do you guys think will have the bigger positive impact on their team in 2006? (I'm reluctant to start a poll)

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Ramsey, if he plays. If Pennington plays or they draft a QB, it's Lavar by default.

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my friend (giants fan) is talking all kinds of shit, saying lavar is going to eat us alive. this is the same guy who used to make fun of him because he was always on those OVERATED lists.

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Oh dude, Giants fans are straight fellatating themselves over this. They think because they got over-the-hill Sam Madison and about 1000 new CBs that their defense is going to be a lot better.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]Oh dude, Giants fans are straight fellatating themselves over this. They think because they got over-the-hill Sam Madison and about 1000 new CBs that their defense is going to be a lot better.[/quote]oh, and you should hear him talk about the second coming of christ , otherwise known as eli. i really think he wants to have sex with this dude. as much as i like some of the skins i know where to draw the line

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HAHA!

Again, Giants fans LOVE the thought of having a Manning on their team. He was better than he was his first year, but talk about dropping off. I don't think he's going to be ANY better than he was last year. He'll never be what his brother is.

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and what would that be? a no playoff winning, regular season td record holder.(he is the second coming of dan marino)

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Of course. Everyone in New York has a man crush.

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[quote=diehardskin2982]I just hope he doesn't try to hit brunnel like Aikman[/quote]

Luckily, Brunell can move a lot better than Aikman, who at that time was already watching stars and little birdies fly around his head. He probably never saw Lavar coming.

It was a great hit, but Aikman wasn't altogether there upstairs at that point in his career. They kept saying "one more hit and he's done."

Well, our team supplied that hit. Brunell would survive, if not get away. He's not the runner he used to be, but he's still good at ducking...as he showed us at key times last year. :)

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[B]Giants | Agent says contract terrible for Arrington[/B]
Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:59:58 -0700

Paul Schwartz, of the New York Post, reports an agent with knowledge of New York Giants LB LaVar Arrington's contract said the contract from Arrington's point of view is terrible. His $5.25 signing bonus is virtually inconsequential when pro-rated over seven-years and the roster bonuses over the first two years are based on playing time.

[B]Packers | Favre tried to talk Arrington into Green Bay[/B]
Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:47:57 -0700

Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers QB Brett Favre tried to talk LB LaVar Arrington into signing with the Packers, according to a Washington Times report. Arrington told the newspaper that Favre nearly swayed him to accept an offer from Green Bay that was thought to be for more money than what the New York Giants offered. One of Arrington's agents, Kevin Poston, confirmed that Arrington didn't take the best offer on the table, telling the Newark Star-Ledger that one of the teams offered slightly more, although he declined to name the team. Packers' general manager Ted Thompson said he had no knowledge of Favre playing a role in recruiting Arrington.

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[quote=Oakland Red]I think it's great that Arrington signed with the Giants. It will spice up our games with them, as long as he doesn't injure Mark. But Gregg Williams will have a plan for him - it will be fun to watch.

LaVar wasn't going to get it done here - there was too much baggage for him created by his erratic behavior. And he just couldn't submerge his interests into the team's interests in terms of playing within the scheme. This was always a problem with him.

I hope he gets it together in New York. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.[/quote]

Why would Greg Williams have a plan for him? Wouldn't Saunders be the one planning? We will see what kind of impact he will have for the Gints, bad thing is, it will be twice a year.

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"[I]Poston said Green Bay, Jacksonville and Miami all were in the running for the 27-year-old Arrington. But in the end, he said, his client decided that he wanted to play against Washington twice a season[/I]"

That to me is enough to really really hope that he gets shut the hell down next season. What an arrogant move.

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Why are a lot of people out here so bitter about LaVar signing with the skins. If you are under some sort of delusion of loyalty here, you need to wake up. This sport, any sport for that reason, is not about loyalty. Its about the cash, and the opportunity to win. This situation is no different. He may have turned down more money, but took the job with the better opportunity to win. Jacksonville, they are ok, but I think the Giants are in front of them in terms of winning, Green bay , Miami , come on they are a few years away. Plus, every one is Washington said he couldn't play, over rated so why not go some where that gives you the chance to prove all your doubters wrong. This just shows the guy has the drive to compete in an awesome division, and the competative spirit to want to stick up our rear ends twice a year. I think some of you are actually worried that he is going to be a game changer for the G-Men, especially against us. I am worried about playing him, He has that kind of capability. I would imagine Saunders has something in mind all ready. Stop bashing the guy for wanting to prove people wrong. Its people like you that said he was over rated, lost a step, better without him that he is trying to show he still has it. All the times some one told you that you couldn't do something, what did you do. Piss and moan, or go and prove them wrong? ME? I proved them wrong!!

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I won't deny I'm a little worried about him. However, I wish only bad things for him when he plays us.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Why are a lot of people out here so bitter about LaVar signing with the skins. If you are under some sort of delusion of loyalty here, you need to wake up. This sport, any sport for that reason, is not about loyalty. Its about the cash, and the opportunity to win. This situation is no different. He may have turned down more money, but took the job with the better opportunity to win. Jacksonville, they are ok, but I think the Giants are in front of them in terms of winning, Green bay , Miami , come on they are a few years away. Plus, every one is Washington said he couldn't play, over rated so why not go some where that gives you the chance to prove all your doubters wrong. This just shows the guy has the drive to compete in an awesome division, and the competative spirit to want to stick up our rear ends twice a year. I think some of you are actually worried that he is going to be a game changer for the G-Men, especially against us. I am worried about playing him, He has that kind of capability. I would imagine Saunders has something in mind all ready. Stop bashing the guy for wanting to prove people wrong. Its people like you that said he was over rated, lost a step, better without him that he is trying to show he still has it. All the times some one told you that you couldn't do something, what did you do. Piss and moan, or go and prove them wrong? ME? I proved them wrong!![/QUOTE]

You also have to think in non-football terms. I think a lot of it also has to do with the relative proximity of being near Washington, his hometown of the past six years and Pittsburgh, his childhood home. So it's a relatively small move. Plus, we all know LaVar loves a camera. You know he was thinking about what a great media opportunity it's going to be for him to play in the Big Apple.

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I'll miss Lavar. When he said he watches Conan: The Barbarian before every game I knew there was something special about him. Few people could match his intensity. He may have played out of postion but he still tried to play at his highest physical level every time. His playmaking ability endeared himself to the fans as well as his good-natured disposition.

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"Destroy your enemies, see them driven before you. Hear the lamentation of the women."

Conan

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]"Destroy (Crush :) ) your enemies, see them driven before you. Hear the lamentation of the women."

Conan[/quote]

That is what is best in life!