Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

Brunell is not going to take us to a SB. That is clear. He can't make plays. He can't make things happen. He looked real slow out there.

I'm not sure benching him right now is the answer. We've got a shot at 2 W's in a row. Maybe...

Looks bad right now.

Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss?
 

I like Brunell , but he just does not have it . I also believe that our takles need to pass protect MUCH better , and we better get some pass rushers next year , A Carter ,,, what did they see in him , he has not come close to the qb once .

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

[quote=dmek25;216596]if brunell isnt grasping this offense, it makes absolutely no sense to stick j campbell as the starter. learning the ins and outs of the nfl is complicated enough without trying to learn a new offense for like the 6th year in a row[/quote] i disagree. Campbells needs to play now. enough time has been wasted already. we need a qb that can stretch a defense cause right now brunell cant do that. defenses know that brunell cant throw deep. we need to see if campbell has what it takes, even if it cause us a losing season.


The future is now for the Redskins! Start Campbell NOW!! If Brunell starts the next 2 weeks, we will be 1-3 for sure. We will beat Houston but we will NOT beat Jacksonville with MB at QB.

Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss?
 

[QUOTE=since7skinsfan;216543]I have to start off by saying what I imagine many were thinking at the beginning of this season: that the Skins were going to be even better this year. They made some key acquisitions (not just big names as they have in the past), they brought an offensive guru, and got rid of a potential distraction (Arrington...though I did question it at the time). I unfortunately see a team in every bit of an offensive funk as they were towards the tail end of the season of 05. Against Philidelphia in the last game the offense looked a little suspect, then against Tampa Bay it was dead, and again Seattle it was never revived. Since those games the progression has only become worse. Four straight awful preseason games followed by two pathetic regular season games for a total of potentially nine games now that they looked poor on offense. So one has to begin to question what happened around this time....and there it is. The injury to Brunell. Since that time Brunell has been playing not to get hurt and not to win. The fire in Brunell is not only gone but completely burned out. When the fire of Brad Johnson (who is almost 2 years Brunells senior) is greater we have real problems. Did any notice Brad's comments when he scored the tying touchdown...something like "motherf&*&er". I would love to have a quaterback with that passion. Instead after each unnecessary toss away pass, or patheticly missed throw he walks off the field with an air of smug appathy and acceptace of his feeble abilities. He looks to Gibbs as if saying "I'm not sure what happened". I can tell you what happened. You are way way past your prime, and your passion for this game and for winning is nonexsistent to the point that it is apparent in every play you are a part of. In short...the time is to move on. Not next season...not in 4 games..but next game. Anyone who thinks we are going to even make it to the playoffs this year is fooling themselves...not in this division...not this year. If we accept that the future is Jason Cambell then why not move in this direction now. Give the kid a chance to grow and if we finish poor this season at least we may get a decent draft from it. I finish with this.

The defense and special...not the offense kept us in the game. And when the defense put the Skins in a position to tie at the 40 yard line it was not Cooley, Moss, Betts, Al Saunders, or Gibbs who gave away the drive and in the end lost the game. It was Brunell![/QUOTE]


Could not agree more.

We have arguably the best receiving core in the NFL and Brunell does not evan try to get it too them. Something is really wrong.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

...and to anybody who thinks we are overreacting because its only been 2 games, you are fooling yourself. MB might not make alot of mental mistakes but he sure doesn't do anything to win games either. The redskins are in serious trouble right now. If this offense takes so long to grasp, what purpose does it serve to have a 36 year old guy playing qb? he isn't our future so all you are accomplishing at this point is delaying the inevitable. It would make more sense to me to play JC now so he can get the experience. You never really know how he will react until he get some real playing time in a real game. I appriciate what MB did last year but it is clear that the QB in this scheme needs to make plays and he just does not have what it takes anymore.

Re: Bench Brunell
 

[QUOTE=That Guy;216588]campbell is accurate. yeah he'll make mistakes, but at this point, can you honestly see brunell leading the skins to a superbowl??

I can't, and if we want a run before the window closes, we need to see if we've got a guy to get us there. He'll never get experience if you keep saying we can't put him because he doesn't have experience. and next year brunell will just be older and an even bigger injury risk. he hasn't made it through an entire season healthy in the last four or five years.

If he doesn't show something by halftime against one of the VERY worst teams in the league, it's time to see what we've got in campbell, cause cause we won't get to the postseason like this (and i'm not assuming campbell is going to come in and play like a pro bowler). I just want to see something to prove that we're better than the lions :/.[/QUOTE]

who cares if campbell makes mistakes, throwing the ball downfield and getting it picked off is no different then throwing it to betts and punting. atleast you are giving yourself a chance

Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss?
 

Brunell looked terrible, and I would be in favor of replacing him, but he didn't have any help from Samuels or Jansen. He had no pass protection all game.

However, the guy I blame the most for the loss is Gibbs. If Portis says he's healthy enough to play in a game against your arch-rival, you play him. Are you resting him so he'll be ready for Houston next week? Give me a break.

Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss?
 

It took Gibbs a little over a quarter of one game to decide to pull Ramsey. Lets see how long it takes to pull Brunell.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

To those of you that think a quarterback change is a good thing, and will enhance our chances of SB apearance? Will improve the quality of play from the other 52 guys who sucked? Las Vegas was built using the money of people who thought like that and were willing to give it away so easlily. Brunell didn't lose the game. he sucked, but he had a lot of company. If we change, we can probably right off this year. it's to early to pull the trigger on a QB change. Put Todd in and.................what? There is a reason why he rides the pine. Put in JC....with our protection...........he becomes David Carr

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

I have riden the Brunell band wagon for a while. Ever since Gibbs put in him in when Ramsey was "injured". But the excuses are really drying up here.

We don't throw donwfield. When you don't throw downfield then they can move Safeties and LBs up and or blitz them to create free pressure. Once this happens Brunell seems either a) happy to throw it away or b) unable to make a good throw.

Now the reason we don't throw down field? A combo of bad pass protection and a CLEAR lack of confidence in Brunell's ability to do so. Either by himself or coaches.

My reasons for considering Campbell.
-At least he offers some athletic ability. He can maybe avoid pressure better.
- He has a better arm and can clearly throw downfield.

The guy has been around over a year. He understands football. I think the argument that it would be bad for him is over-rated. I am close to thinking it is really time for the Campbell era to begin.

Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss?
 

No, he's not the only reason, far from it right now.

We've played like shit in all phases of the game.

Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss?
 

I have been a big supporter of Brunnell since last year. (not his first year!!) I find it hard to put ALL the blame on one guy in a game like that. I want to see Brunell and this offense when Portis is healthy for me to make a decision. He looks bad, I can see that. We got out played all over the field. the O-line was getting abused pass and run blocking. Our D was getting used on 3rd down. Other than Rock's TD, we were outplayed everwhere. I go back to a very early play in the game when the momentum switched. we were somewhat moving the ball, and it was 3rd and 1. it was in the 1st quarter, maybe 2nd. and they TOSS the ball to Betts ON THIRD AND 1!!!!!. We get mushed for a yard loss. I just dont understand why we kept calling that play. sweep right, stretch right. we had to be -10 yards on that. and why dont you have duckett or sellers running the damn ball up the middle or behind Thomas on 3rd and 1. the play calling last night on some plays was questionable. on both sides. on 3 and a mile williams sends 3 guys after bledsoe, after eating some Texas Toast and drinking a beer in the pocket, bledsoe and Dallas converted another 3rd down. I just dont see the same intensity from our D, and we look confused and unmotivated on offense. I think we screwed up the team chemistry bringing some of these NEW guys in. Andrea Carter has to be the worst of them all. He gets pushed all over the damn field and Arch looks like a 9 year old sitting in a Grad school Med program. is he that damn dumb?

Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss?
 

[QUOTE=EEich;216619]Brunell looked terrible, and I would be in favor of replacing him, but he didn't have any help from Samuels or Jansen. He had no pass protection all game.

However, the guy I blame the most for the loss is Gibbs. If Portis says he's healthy enough to play in a game against your arch-rival, you play him. Are you resting him so he'll be ready for Houston next week? Give me a break.[/QUOTE]

Portis said he was lying about that to play mindgames with the Cowboys, making them think he was healthy enough. But he wasn't

Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss?
 

I am a little upset at Gibbs for sticking by Brunell (who I place the most amount of blame on). Gibbs seems to be sticking by him for personal reasons because he obviously can't get it done on the field at this point. I haven't looked over the stats yet, but I can't imagine many more teams throw the ball to their RB more than we did, but I really don't think that was by design.

The entire offense seemed to be exactly the same as last year, but with less pulling by the o-linemen. I feel like Saunders is useless at this point, but it's probably way to early to say that.

The loss of Portis is really killing us, and not just because Betts and Duckett seem to look for a big group of people to run into rather than looking for a hole. Portis would have been really helpful in pass protection last night. I would be more than happy to trade Betts for just about anyone else at any position.

And last but not least: what's the deal with Cooley? Does he even care about the game anymore? I feel like there was a play at one point (and I'm not talking about the INT) when Cooley was being covered by Williams. Williams overran the pass but Cooley seemed to jump up and bat the ball down rather than try to catch it. I think the only catch that I remember him making was in trash time.

Basically I'm just really pissed today and it's going to take all the patients I have to act like I don't care and not punch the loudmouth cowboys fan in my office in the face.

Re: Bench Brunell
 

Brunell refuses to step up in the pocket and take advantage of the pocket the O-line creates. If you watch the film, while both teams DE's were regularly being forced outside of and behind QB, Bledsoe would step in the pocket and make a play while Brunell would sit there on his heels and get sacked or throw it into the grass.

About halfway through the 4th with the Cowboys in prevent he actually began to step in the pocket and get rid of the ball. Its remarkable how much that improved the pace of his passes. I know it was garbage time, but the difference was blatantly obvious.

I think our O-line gave him nice pockets and afforded him plenty of time to make plays, but he just scared or incapable of making them. You are telling me that not once was any of the trio of WR's open for a deep ball? Doubtful, Brunell just knew he did not have the arm to make any of the deep throws. If he looks like this now, imagine what he will look like in week 15.

IMO, Brunell needs to sit this week so we can let Campbell get his first start against a soft Texans defense. If Brunell does play, he will throw for 250 and two scores and Gibbs will be back riding his jock and then he will proceed to stink it up and against the Jags D at FedEx on Oct. 1 and we will be right back in the same predicament we are in now. The sooner we start campbell the better. Though he may make some stupid mistakes, the production reward is well worth the risk.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

I said give him a few more weeks. unfortunately, he's our best QB right now. I wouldn't start Campbell until we're out of playoff contention.

On a side note: I go crazy every time I see brunell throw the ball away before it's necessary. On the rare occasion he gets pass protection, he is jumpy and too quick to throw the ball away :(

Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss?
 

#56, I couldn't agree more with everything you said. I know exactly which 3rd down play you're talking about and my dad and I were saying the same thing last night. We have a 275lbs FB and a 255lbs RB; why not pound the ball? That was just another costly 3 and out.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

I respect everybody's opinion but I think you are dead wrong Hog1. The season is lost anyways if we leave MB in at QB. I think we need to change simply because nobody respects MB anymore. He cant make any of the throws that we need him to make.Do you really believe he can lead us to a winning season? Its time to sink or swim with JC instead of just sink with MB. He consistently throws for less than 200 yards, and cant get the ball in the hands of our playmakers. Defenses can just sit in deep zones and make brunell take the checkdowns time after time because he has no arm strength. JC might not be the answer but to leave MB as the starting qb at this point is ridicoulous. We know MB cant get the job done so we leave him in there because we are not sure of JC? We need to find out NOW if JC is the guy or not. what do you suggest? Leave MB in until the season is completly lost or give the young guy a shot and maybe salvage the season? Brunell probably wont be here next year anyways so I don't understand why anyone would want to keep delaying the inevitable.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

It's too early to bring in JC. Until we get some other things fixed, it just wouldn't be fair to bring him into this shit storm.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

I say one more week. I dont think he is operating witht he full potential of this offense. WE NEED PORTIS to be successful. Betts is just not good enough. When we see Brunell and this offense with Portis then it will be a fair decision. I just dont understand a lot of the play calling. Running wide on 3rd and 1 or 2?? Especially when you trade for a 265 pound running back and have a 270 pound full back(sellers). Betts is the only person that can get open out of 5?? I find that hard to believe. I did see a couple of ball that should have been thrown over the middle to a WR that was open. Now, saying that Brunell may know that he can not get the ball there with enough zip that he didn't throw it. If thats the case, then he has to go now. I have seem him put some zip on a few passes this year, so just not really sure. Now our O-line was being abused, and he got hit a number of times, so his eyes may be looking at the line man and not down field, who knows?? If we dont have a good showing against Houston, then I think we are going to have to go with Campbell. if we dont win more than 4 games with him, so be it. At least we will get that learning season out of the way.

Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss?
 

Right now this team is amongst the worst in the league. The defense is in the bottom 1/3 and kills itself with bad penalties and 3rd downs. The offense is inept as Dallas did exactly what they had to do, played nickel all night and took away the pass. One thing I noticed with our defense vs theirs was they consistently get pressure from their front 3 or 4, and we couldn't get their at ALL with our front 4 against a very suspect offensive line. I do believe not having Springs and Prileau are really hindering what GW can call at this point.

I think this team can turn it around. The talent is there. With that being said, if they would lose or win poorly in Houston this week its time to put the kid in. I just saw way too much happy feet and poor throws by MB the last two weeks...

Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss?
 

I'll say it again - if we tackle, we are in the game. Our inability to tackle on D is inexcusable. That said, our offense looked like crap as well. I put 75% of that on Saunders/Gibbs playcalling. I put the other 25% on Brunell not putting the ball where it needed to be. He had Cooley wide open on one route, and couldn't get the ball within 5 yards of him.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

I'm sure someone said something along the lines of what I'm about to say, but there is no way I'm going back and reading all these posts, so sorry if I repeat some people.

I voted for yes. I think the game in Houston is the perfect game to give Campbell his first start int he NFL. They always say you want to start a young QB on the road. The Texans are probably the worst team we're going to face on the raod this season. NO might be worse, but that game is so late the in the season that that he probably needs to start before then.
Houston's D is obviously not that good, they've already given up 7 TD throws (granted, they were to McNabb and the good Manning, but still). Thi s means he could have some success to get his confidence up.

This season is quickly going down the shitter and he's got to get in there sometime. If Portis is healthy next week I see no reason to plug Campbell in and see if he really is our quarterback of the future or just another bust.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

[quote=LBrown43;216600]I think putting in Campbell against the Texans would be the best game to do it. They are one of the weaker opponents we are going to face this year. I don't know how many more games I can get my hopes up so high, just to be dashed. We looked worse than the last playoff game against Seattle. I really did not think it could get worse than that. I am aware of the new offense and all that but we bring in 2 new recievers and we are only able to get the ball to them 2 times? Lloyd has 2 games under his belt and 1 catch. I think we start Campbell next game and see what happens. Could he be any worse?[/quote]

I think I said the same thing almost verbatim in another post. Now is the time to start Campbell. Brunell's inability to get the job done has more to with his lack of ability than lack of grasping the playbook, in my opinion.

Why start Campbell against a strong defensive unit, when we can get him in there against a struggling Houston team. This is not the week to allow Brunell to get his footing, only to come back the following week to show nothing and start back at square one.

Our offensive line is better than they've showed, I believe that. The defense basically waits until third and whatever and pin their ears back and come after us. Betts up the middle, Betts on a screen, Betts on a checkdown was the sum total of our game plan last night.

Did we bring Al Saunders all the way here for, what, $2 million a year for that. No thanks!

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

Sorry guys, I knew I wasn't that original.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;216641]It's too early to bring in JC. Until we get some other things fixed, it just wouldn't be fair to bring him into this shit storm.[/quote] The shit storm would seem so bad if our offense could put some points on the board. And that all starts at the QB position. I refuse to believe that our playmakers just did not get open last night. Every time Moss touches the football, he can take it to the house. Why did we not try to get him the ball more? Do you think Newman played that well? I saw a couple of times Moss was running down the sideline 5 yards behing the defense and MB overlooked him. Cooley has been nonexistent, but when he did get open MB made a bad throw. I refuse to believe that all of these "playmakers" that we have are all just playing that bad, and MB is making the right decisions. If we had a QB that could beat the blitz, they wouldn't blitz as much! Every time the other team bring the blitz MB just throws it away, or waits to long and takes a sack. Thats not bad playcalling. thats bad QBing.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;216641]It's too early to bring in JC. Until we get some other things fixed, it just wouldn't be fair to bring him into this shit storm.[/quote]

I must disagree because:

1) If Brunell starts next week, we lose at lowly Houston, which scored 24 points yesterday.
2) If we had started Campbell Games 1 and 2, and he were 0-2, at least he;d have two games under his belt.
3) Brunell was afraid to make any plays last night. He looked like a first-year starter and as lost as any QB I've seen in a while. Even Chris Simms made a play or two, and he was horrible.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

Im all for JC being the #2 QB next week and if brunell struggles we put him in. If he is the #3 qb he cant play unless there are injuries.(the qb rules are screwed up.)

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

[quote=gibbsisgod;216662]Im all for JC being the #2 QB next week and if brunell struggles we put him in. If he is the #3 qb he cant play unless there are injuries.(the qb rules are screwed up.)[/quote]

I don't think it's "if" Brunell struggles next week, but "when" he struggles next week. His physical ability remains suspect, but what makes this year worse is that his mental state is suspect. He peaked in Week 14 last year, but we had the defense to score for us at Philly and at Tampa in the playoffs.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

The QB is a very small part of this problem. Folks - our O-line is not executing. Our D-line is not putting pressure on the opposing QB. And there is an unacceptable lack of discipline as evidenced by the number of penalties being thrown our way.

The QB is a lightening rod for criticism; however, right now he is not the underlying problem. In fact - without his field savy in getting rid of the ball without a lot of turnovers, the score would have been worse.

Excuses don't count ... play better!

Currently we are performing poorly.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

No team in the league is afraid of Brunell. They know he is finished. He basically does one of three things now: dump to the back, throw the short out, or throws the ball away. With that knowledge, defenses will have an easy time against our offense.

The only way we get them to back off and respect our downfield passing game is putting Campbell in. You can say it is too early for him but right now I can't stomach watching Brunell and his 3 YPA and 35 QB rating. At the very least Campbell needs some reps this week. If the Skins are inept in the first half next week, Gibbs as the CEO of this team needs to pull Brunell and have Campbell start the second half...

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

Yeah, I have to admit, Brunell is on his way out. Just doesn't have it anymore. Regardless of whether he had Portis or not, there is no excuse this time. The Cowboys don't have a good running game either and Bledsoe did just fine. Brunell had plenty of opportunities last night and just couldn't capitalize on them because both his accuracy and arm strength are diminished. And Joe Gibbs is so damned stubborn about it, he's not going to make any immediate changes and so I'm afraid that we are going to continue with this losing streak. I'll be at the next game vs the Texans, we'll see what happens then.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

I hate to say it, but Brunell is done and needs to go. The guy couldn't make a play if his life depended on it. Maybe I can try out as QB for the Redskins, "Hey Joe, look I too can throw a ball 10 yards to the sideline and out of bounds."

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

Umm for people blaming the 0-line,

Even when Brunell was protected, he was throwing some AWFUL balls. Moreover, he made poor decisions (e.g. throwing to Cooley and getting picked). He was downright awful.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

If we start Campbell for Houston it isn't exactly feeding him to the wolves. If we start him vs NY, Indy, Eagles, etc it is. All of those teams have really good D lines. Lets test vs Houston.

Also, I can't count how many times Brunell tried to run by the rushing defensive player and ran... right into him.

Rooting for minor injury?
 

Ok, I'll be the bad guy. Ive never said this before, and Im not proud of it, but Im rooting for a minor injury to Mark Brunnell, say a high ankle sprain. There are really only 2 conclusions to come to after watching last nights performance. First, Mark Brunnell will never ever take this team to a Super Bowl. Can we agree on that? Now, once you make that conclusion, the next step is easy. Gibbs will not bench Brunnell. He just won't do it. That's why pulling Ramsey like he did last year was so out of character, he sticks with his starter, and he is blinded by his faith in Brunnell. Sooooo, we can't win a Super Bowl with him, and he won't bench him.......Conclusion 2, gotta root for the minor injury. Im not saying a Theisman fracture or a blown out knee, but maybe a sprain would be nice. [B]Id rather go 4-12 with Jason Campbell this year, than 8-8 with Brunnell.[/B] I know some of you will call for my body to be sacrificed on the Redskin Altar, but if you are painfully honest with yourself, you'll agree its the only way.

Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss?
 

I don't care how bad the offensive line is. As a QB with that many weapons, you should be able to throw a 5-yard hitch. Brunell couldn't throw squat. Brunell underthrew, overthrew, made poor decisions. Sure the O-line had a bad night (particularly Jansen, who looked like a rookie), but Brunell IS a major source of our woes.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

yeah brunell manages the games alright...

he manages to lose the game. seriously, all this jazz i've heard on different forums... the man simply cannot make the throws...

period.

this goes back to last year in the playoffs when the passing game was piss poor, but at least our D was playing at a high level. it's my opinion based on what i've seen that when the blitz comes, brunell does not have the confidence to make the throws anymore even though it looks like the entire offense blows.

how come eli manning can just lob it up in 1v1 coverage off his back foot for a win? yeah i know it's 1 on 1 but i mean how could we not have that when the D is bringing house. how come eli can make a crucial throw as he's getting sacked puttin no leg into it? brunell is old news people.

luckily it's still early, though we won't be able to say that soon. to me, houston is a must-win. who would have thought?

friends, your washington redskins are the worst team in the nfc east.

Re: Bench Brunell
 

I'm going to side with the Campbell camp and say it is time to bring him in. He's as familiar with Saunders' system as Brunell, although he hasn't gotten the same amount of work, and he's been in the league for a year and change.

As has been said, Campbell will throw more picks than Brunell, but he'll at least make games interesting.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

[quote=gibbsisgod;216639]I respect everybody's opinion but I think you are dead wrong Hog1. The season is lost anyways if we leave MB in at QB. I think we need to change simply because nobody respects MB anymore. He cant make any of the throws that we need him to make.Do you really believe he can lead us to a winning season? Its time to sink or swim with JC instead of just sink with MB. He consistently throws for less than 200 yards, and cant get the ball in the hands of our playmakers. Defenses can just sit in deep zones and make brunell take the checkdowns time after time because he has no arm strength. JC might not be the answer but to leave MB as the starting qb at this point is ridicoulous. We know MB cant get the job done so we leave him in there because we are not sure of JC? We need to find out NOW if JC is the guy or not. what do you suggest? Leave MB in until the season is completly lost or give the young guy a shot and maybe salvage the season? Brunell probably wont be here next year anyways so I don't understand why anyone would want to keep delaying the inevitable.[/quote]

Well, Many people said the same thing about Brunell last season. You don't have to throw 80 yards to win the SB in this league. Regarding winning seasons, he gives us our ONLY shot this year. If we change QB's now, we are done. Like it or not, with Brunell, we have our best chance. He must have some protection. He (like most QB's) have little chance when running all over the field to evade tacklers. He didn't cause a dozen penalties. He didn't fail to control, the Cowboys O in critical situations. To state that nobody respects Brunell is ridiculous, and the season is lost????? Come on, it's two games. Terrible start, but hardly a season. If you blame him for this.......situation, then it is only fair to praise him for his direction of the team to a 10-6 last year. Don't be confused that I advocate Brunell as a..........closet Montana. he is what we got until JC comes of age. As many have already stated, we don't need to make him a David Carr behind our NO-line. I, like the rest in Skins land am a pissed off SOB, but to make a foolish, emotional snap decision makes a potential losing season into a guarantee. We don't want to kill JC bringing him in now. Todd ain't it. WE don't want to do the Spurrier rotating QB either