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[quote=61cad;234299]Is this Gibbs last year as Head Coach and will he be moved to GM?

Then the start of Gregg Williams as Head Coach?

That's the way I see it!

REDSKINS NATION!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

Rumor on "Redskins lunch" is the Dan is going to buy out Gregs 1 mil head coach option, and hire Jeff Fisher as the HC. This all hinges on Joe2 wanting to leave. Larry was not endorsing this but, Bram was..........maybe. I personally cannot believe any of it and would view Joe's departure at this time as catastrophic. I would not mind considering Jeff Fisher when Joe does leave, however.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;234608]Rumor on "Redskins lunch" is the Dan is going to buy out Gregs 1 mil head coach option, and hire Jeff Fisher as the HC. This all hinges on Joe2 wanting to leave. Larry was not endorsing this but, Bram was..........maybe. I personally cannot believe any of it and would view Joe's departure at this time as catastrophic. I would not mind considering Jeff Fisher when Joe does leave, however.[/QUOTE]

Interesting. I've heard from several people that Dan don't like Williams and his abrasive personality. Plus, what's a million to DS? That's nothing

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I originally thought "WHAT A BUNCH OF BS". The more I thought about it, I totally can believe the DAN would plan ahead like that, (not a bad plan) or if available after the season, try to bring JF on the payroll (in some role), even if Joe stays, to facilitate a smooth transition afte Joe2's contract is up. As you say, what's a mil to the Dan? Problem is GW. he won't take that well.

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[quote=TAFKAS;234616]Interesting. I've heard from several people that Dan don't like Williams and his abrasive personality. Plus, what's a million to DS? That's nothing[/quote]

Hell he spent around $8M to dump Coles so $1M to pay off GW would be a drop in the bucket for him. I think it was just added as an extra incentive to keep him here, but it's certainly nothing that will lock him in to the job that's for sure.

Jeff Fisher, hmmmm, very interesting. Personally I don't want to think about life after Gibbs right now, but I've always thought Fisher was a great coach. Not a fan of his redneck mustache look, but I could live with it. ;)

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Joe's my man, always will be. I lived in Houston during his tenure. Jeff's a good dude! Not a bad choice for post Joe2

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jeff is better than a guy like billick. as as the owner of a business, you've got to have contingency plans.

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Little Danny probably doesnt like GW because he doesnt kiss his A-- like Gibbs and Vinny do. GW know he doesnt have to put up with his B.S. He'll get another job easily.

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Would be great to get Fisher he a tuff hard nose coach is what this team needs. Not like this candy a-- training camp we had this season. Training camp set the tone for what was going to happen this season. The only drawback to having Fisher is he would have to put up with Vinny and Little Danny Boy. We need a Gm like right now to run this team, not the clowns that are doing it now. So unfortually that the reason i dont think Fisher would come here and ruin his reputation.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;232908]But you know what?

They found ways to win.

I really don't care how they looked, the bottom line was they won games.

There's a very fine line between winning and losing, and right now we are finding ways to lose where last year's team found ways to win.

For the record I also recall them trouncing Dallas and NY late in the year.[/QUOTE]

The big difference is last year, the games were close. This year, we're getting blown out. This year, there's a very thick line between the games won and the games lost. We are a bad team this year, and I can't pinpoint what the problem is, other than to say the defense isn't clicking, and we've got very inconsistent O-line and QB play. Perhaps we should blame it on the voluntary (in our case almost mandatory) offseason workouts, which are supposed to help keep players strong, but in our case, it seems to have taken a toll on the players health. Either that, or we're plain unlucky.

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:laughing2 [quote=Mattyk72;234655] Not a fan of his redneck mustache look, but I could live with it. ;)[/quote]

I always think more along the lines of the Village People.

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wow, theres some really angry fans here. alot of up chucking about GMs, and a$$ kissing and so on......:blah:
Trust me, I feel all the frustrations that we all have. There are alot of reasons for our record right now. But the one that baffles me the most is the play of our D. A top 10 D with the same offense we have right now, our record very easily could be 5-2.

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[quote=Hog1;234608]Rumor on "Redskins lunch" is the Dan is going to buy out Gregs 1 mil head coach option, and hire Jeff Fisher as the HC. This all hinges on Joe2 wanting to leave. Larry was not endorsing this but, Bram was..........maybe. I personally cannot believe any of it and would view Joe's departure at this time as catastrophic. I would not mind considering Jeff Fisher when Joe does leave, however.[/quote]


I don't know if this is being discussed elsewhere but this rumor originates over at [url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm]ProFootballTalk.com -- The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet[/url] They don't generally dish a lot of Redskins dirt, so I wonder where they get this. They're Redskins info is generally limited to injury status linked from WaPo. I think most of their stuff, they get from agents who would not be necesarrily privy to Snyder's plans. They cite I believe an "industry insider". That rules out absolutely no one. They throw a lot of stuff at walls and hope it sticks.

Update: I do not believe that they are the best pro football scoop on the net. That is of course, The Warpath. There's some kind of web voodoo that makes that moniker appear in place of the actual address. I see that they have added a denial and are falling back on their "Nascar" sources who tell them Gibbs' wife wants him to quit.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;234939]I don't know if this is being discussed elsewhere but this rumor originates over at [url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm]ProFootballTalk.com -- The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet[/url] They don't generally dish a lot of Redskins dirt, so I wonder where they get this. They're Redskins info is generally limited to injury status linked from WaPo. I think most of their stuff, they get from agents who would not be necesarrily privy to Snyder's plans. They cite I believe an "industry insider". That rules out absolutely no one. They throw a lot of stuff at walls and hope it sticks.

Update: I do not believe that they are the best pro football scoop on the net. That is of course, The Warpath. There's some kind of web voodoo that makes that moniker appear in place of the actual address. I see that they have added a denial and are falling back on their "Nascar" sources who tell them Gibbs' wife wants him to quit.[/QUOTE]

That thing about NASCAR sources saying that Gibbs' wife is telling him to quit is old. Furthermore, as someone who works with NASCAR every single day and someone who is known by a lot of people in NASCAR and on specific racing teams to be a big Joe Gibbs fan I can tell you that all the sources I have spoken to say that Gibbs' wife saying she wants him to quit is not true.

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According to Bram (when pushed by Larry on Redskin lunch show), his info came from an "Industry source". He reiterated, a "reliable industry source", for what it's worth

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Good points Gents. I believe Danny Boy had a great opportunity 3 years ago when Ron Wolf was available as GM. He was the architect of the Green Bay Packers when they had Mike Holmgren and several talented players he had picked through the draft.

And here is the kicker- He lives in our backyard in Fairfax County, VA!!

I think the deal killer was the fact that Ron Wolf wanted a percentage of the team, around 1-2%. I'm not a financial genius, but if he can build a Super Bowl contender and eventual Champion evident by his track record- then why the hell not!

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what we need is to have steady coaching for years in a row along with the addition of a few players...not a wholesale change...williams D has always been a bend but don't break...that is, not dominant. He has never built a DOMINANT D that forced turnovers and destroyed opposing offenses week in, week out. he is supremely overrated, and arrogant. he needs to understand that a good coach maximizes talent...do you think he's doing that?
As for implementing a new scheme? that was dumb as well...saunders may be a genius, but players arent'...therefore they need time to learn the system...
so despite these issues, lets keep the coaches...draft some talents (Trade players???) and for god's sake CAN BRUNELL.

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I would have thought we were pretty dominant in 2004. What really pisses me off about turnovers with this team, is ALL luck. We NEVER get on fumbles, EVER. It's been since Gibbs came back, if a ball is on the ground, the other team gets it.

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Just to throw a little more gas on the fire for the conspiracy theorists, X-filers, etc. Fisher would need a job until Joe2 retires. Hmmmmm, GW's D is on it's ass. Is not Jeff a D guy?

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i hear you on 2004, but i've always though we give up too many yards (if not tds)...a dominant team forces turnovers and wins games, a la Chicago, ravens, etc. Only guys that get balls on the ground are taylor and washington, and taylor gets burned far too often. As for this years team, i have zero faith in the D. We can't cover, therefore we can't blitz, AND we have no pass rush so even marginal QBs can pick us apart.

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[quote=Hog1;235210]Just to throw a little more gas on the fire for the conspiracy theorists, X-filers, etc. Fisher would need a job until Joe2 retires. Hmmmmm, GW's D is on it's ass. Is not Jeff a D guy?[/quote]

Nice thought, but if Fisher became available, I would guarantee someone would snatch him up as their next head coach in a matter of minutes. There's no way he would have to take a step down. He would definitely be the hottest head coaching commodity around.

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We don't need Jeff Fisher, we have JOE GIBBS. Jeff fisher aint winning with no talent in tennessee, and he aint gonna with with no talent here. A GM is the main need, someone with some intelligence, who can cator to the needs of williams and saunders specifically, right now, we have no idea what we want or need. We just act on the first free agent available, no matter what.

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So tell me where we have glaring holes? I'm all ears.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;235540]So tell me where we have glaring holes? I'm all ears.[/quote]

LOLB, SS, CB, CB, DL, QB, P, K

some due to injuries. we have possible repalcements for LOLB, SS, QB.

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To start off.....we have the slowest defense ever, especially in the secondary, and the worst pass rushing D-line in the NFL. We also have no QB capable of surmounting a drive over 50 yards.

I don't think it's a matter of motivation on defense, it's talent.

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I don't think, anyone was really suggesting a replacment for Joe2-certainly not me. Joes the man! I was, however, spreading gossip aired on the Redskins network by Bram and Larry. As far as team talent, I think they are better than you think. They ain't playin' like it. And before you have a stroke, no, I don't know why?????????

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So what happened from last year to this year?

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[quote=That Guy;235543]LOLB, SS, CB, CB, DL, QB, P, K

some due to injuries. we have possible repalcements for LOLB, SS, QB.[/quote]

I'll agree at K, but at SS we totally overpaid for what he brings to the table, but once he's allowed to play the way he was meant to, he'll be fine. I don't think we have holes at CB. Sure, Springs is old, but I'm talking in terms of this year.I really only see LOLB and K.

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Archuleta doesn't compliment Taylor at all, he's a crappier version of him. We are not fine at corner, springs has a history of injuries and it doesnt seem like it's gonna go away. don't even get me started about special teams, I have no idea how we won 10 games last year with the ST the way it was, and it's gotten worse since then (besides randel el). I love our skill position guys (besides brunell), but all teams have good skilled position guys. We should invest everything into our defense. DEFENE DEFENSE DEFENSE, then we will be fine, because the saunders offense will be rolling by next season. As long as we keep our O-line in tact.

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What's WRONG with our special teams besides kicker? Frost has had a couple bad ones this year, but honestly, he's playing DECENT enough to keep, where he's at least not a liability.

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frost chokes and he's not good anyways. i said some were due to injuries, but if we have no holes, why are we terrible? RE, LE, and DT2 are NOT strong points, that's or sure, and DB depth has been terrible, though prioleau's on IR and vincent just got here.

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Actually, since the Cowboy game will be the first game this year when the D MAY be healthy, it would be a better time to judge their game. Granted, this season has brought out the problems with lack of depth, but the starting team might surprise you? I could use that sort of surprise!

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So could my heart and liver. Maybe I won't have to pound beers to make it through the game.

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It has been a................challenge! Like pain, it will feel so good when it stops. Perhaps the Cowboys are the cure!

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Never would have thought the Cowboys would be the cure for anything.

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[quote=Hog1;235588]Actually, since the Cowboy game will be the first game this year when the D MAY be healthy, it would be a better time to judge their game. Granted, this season has brought out the problems with lack of depth, but the starting team might surprise you? I could use that sort of surprise![/quote]

Hog, I hate to disagree here, we've had what six, seven games to judge this team? And the whole injury argument, while it's true, it's not an excuse in the NFL.

I'll say it time and time again, injuries in the NFL are a reality not an excuse. When your team is clicking and playing hard nosed football, that brand of football generally wears off on the reserves as well.