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[QUOTE=illdefined;245097]if JC plays terribly, i bet he'll still be cheered like crazy. it's all about looking ahead now. huge fundamental shift.[/QUOTE]

For a little while at least....but it definitely gives us something to look forward to Sunday.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;245082]

The real question is what happens if Campbell plays well and wins. Then the coaches look like idiots for waiting this long.[/quote] I dont think the coaches look like idiots if that happens. I think something like that could energize a team and breath some life into it. This team has all the best talent money can buy. Confidence breeds success and success breeds confidence. Who knows?? Anything could happen! It only takes one play to turn a season around.

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I don't believe it makes the coaches look like idiots at all. They know what they're doing. Even us Brunell supporters said the time is now and Gibbs responded. Let's put away all the disgruntled thoughts about Brunell, Gibbs, Williams, and Saunders and focus on our future starting now!

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I'm also interested in hearing how the players feel about the change at QB. I know they're not going to say anything derogatory about Brunell, but more how they feel about Campbell asuming the reins, and how they fell his maturation process has been, and his readiness to asume the position. I really look foreward to seeing him play. The game thread will be jumping on Sunday.

Hail!!! Jason Campbell......A new era has begun.

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[quote=hesscl34;245002]Wow. Joe didn't make that call (I bet). That was all Snyder.[/quote]

I agree. I bet Snyder lit into Gibbs.

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Yeah right, if Joe Gibbs was coerced into making that call based on snyder then the next conference we see from him will be his resignation. Joe Gibbs isn't going to let Snyder dictate to him who he should start.

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The offense should see some major identity change. I think a spark will be lit under the offense and production will be seen. No more dump offs, 4 yard completions on 3rd and 7 and more scoring and production from Santa and Brandon.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;245127]I agree. I bet Snyder lit into Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

Hahahahaha.......now that's funny! That's not going to happen....not now, not ever. Gibbs has Snyder right in his place...which is in the owner's box writing checks and that's it.

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[quote=SkinsLove24/7;245135]The offense should see some major identity change. I think a spark will be lit under the offense and production will be seen. No more dump offs, 4 yard completions on 3rd and 7 and more scoring and production from Santa and Brandon.[/quote]

Absolutely. Which will then ignite the D.

Don't ask me to 'splain, it's a mystery.

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I just hope this improves the team. Even if we don't win the game, just to see some sort of improvement in the passing game would be a win for me. And also give us something to build upon for next year..

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The most overdue personell change since Rumsfeld's resignation.

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[QUOTE=Counter-Tre;245147]The most overdue personell change since Rumsfeld's resignation.[/QUOTE]

dude you are so right. dont forget all of congress. what a freaking WEEK huh??

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[quote=illdefined;245148]dude you are so right. dont forget all of congress. what a freaking WEEK huh??[/quote]
All of the dead weight is getting the heave-ho. Congress, Rummy, Federline....

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Excited to see what JC has to offer. Now we need to give Rocky a chance.

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[QUOTE=Counter-Tre;245151]All of the dead weight is getting the heave-ho. Congress, Rummy, Federline....[/QUOTE]

ha how could i forget Kfed? some good astrology going around. the goddess of Really Bad Press has finally left the cosmos!

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;245050]Good for Jason. But let me ask this. A rookie QB, without Portis-am I the only one who thinks next week (the next few weeks in fact) will be a very scaled back basic offense with, yes, a lot of short passes?[/QUOTE]

Why would Portis being out have an effect on his play? Portis's yards per carry aren't as good as Betts, the only problem there is Portis is a much better blocker picking up the blitz that could be the one area that would be cause for concern.

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It's one week too early...but I guess its better than one week too late.

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I think this is the perfect time to put the kid in. Well done

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[quote=hesscl34;245002]Wow. Joe didn't make that call (I bet). That was all Snyder.[/quote]
I agree...No way in hell gibbs made this Call...

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[quote=illdefined;245148]dude you are so right. dont forget all of congress. what a freaking WEEK huh??[/quote]
AMEN!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=railcon56;245168]I agree...No way in hell gibbs made this Call...[/quote]

:doh:

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;245166]It's one week too early...but I guess its better than one week too late.[/QUOTE]

nope.

one week too early to call it quits for the season....but still time to try and salvage it. Gibbs obviously now feels JC offers a better chance to win than your boy.

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[quote=illdefined;245176]nope.

one week too early to call it quits for the season....but still time to try and salvage it. Gibbs obviously now feels JC offers a better chance to win than your boy.[/quote]If that's true...then hes doing it out of desperation. If its a move out of desperation, the season REALLY is over.

I really wanted to stick it to Tampa. Oh well, sacrifices made for the learning curve.

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[quote=hesscl34;245002]Wow. Joe didn't make that call (I bet). That was all Snyder.[/quote]

Fat chance of that!

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GTripp0012, another huge positive will be the short week for the Bucs.

They are already depleted, now we need a tough game tonight to wring them dry so Campbell can cut his teeth on a soft team away from home.

I still think the Dallarse game should have been his start. Oh, well.

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[quote=GTripp0012;245166]It's one week too early...but I guess its better than one week too late.[/quote]

Just an observation, but with all the screaming for JC, is Gibbs now at fault for making the change?

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;245179]If that's true...then hes doing it out of desperation. If its a move out of desperation, the season REALLY is over.

I really wanted to stick it to Tampa. Oh well, sacrifices made for the learning curve.[/QUOTE]

starting a QB who's never had a regular season snap? absolutely it's out of desperation. desperation your boy was a major part of.

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the cuffs are coming off... this will be fun to watch (or at least something to watch)...

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He is absolutely NOT at fault for making the switch now. This decision is a few weeks too late if anything. The season is all but lost. How sick will it make all of us if Campbell comes in a provides the spark we've been looking for?? I mean, I'll be ecstatic if he performs well, but sick the change wasn't made earlier. We'll drive ourselves nuts with "what if's" for the remainder of the year and beyond.

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about f'n time

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[quote=GTripp0012;245179]If that's true...then hes doing it out of desperation. If its a move out of desperation, the season REALLY is over.

I really wanted to stick it to Tampa. Oh well, sacrifices made for the learning curve.[/quote]


With all due respect...you sir are Delooooooosional (best Lewis Black imitation) if you thought MB was going to "stick it" to Tampa.

The season was also over in August when it was obvious that our offense couldn't learn the playbook in the preseason and the defense starting looking like swiss cheese. BTW, just because no one agrees with you doesn't mean you have to turn into a sourpuss and start poopin' on everyone else faint glimmer of hope that this year can turn into something positive.

Just as you desperately clung to any remote iota of positive play from MB all season, I expect you to give JC the same benefit of the doubt.

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WHOOOO! Just saw the news. About time. Even if he struggles--and remember, even good NFL QBs struggle early (with a few Bradly-like exceptions)--this is the right move, to find out what he's got and to move towards the future!

Oh, AND SBF is back? The worm has turned! GO SKINS! GO JC!

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[quote=skinsguy;245112]I don't believe it makes the coaches look like idiots at all.[/quote]

Yeah I don't think so either.

Who's to say he was ready to go earlier in the season? I think they wanted to hold out on this move as long as possible.

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Finally. Something to give us hope for the future. Let's hope he brings the answers we all want.

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[quote=JWsleep;245213]WHOOOO! Just saw the news. About time. Even if he struggles--and remember, even good NFL QBs struggle early (with a few Bradly-like exceptions)--this is the right move, to find out what he's got and to move towards the future!

Oh, AND SBF is back? The worm has turned! GO SKINS! GO JC![/quote]
Well, at least you sir are prepared to suffer now.

Eventually the move was going to be made, and although now probably wasnt the best week for it, Gibbs to an extent probably folded under the pressure from the fans on this one. In the end...it probably won't matter whether the move was made this week or next week. But that doesn't mean it was a good time for it.

Campbell will likely struggle in all 7 of his starts this season. We won't move the ball at all before CP comes back. It's gonna get real ugly, real fast.

But in the end, Campbell will improve over the offseason and lets see if we cant make a push in 2007.

Here's to a new era and hail to the redskins!

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I'm sooo glad this switch has been made. As a Florida Gator fan living in Florida, I got to see plenty of JC at Auburn, and he's damn good. Nice feet, rocket arm, awesome size, low on turnovers, the list goes on... But he has probably taken a little longer to pick up on things becuase, including college, he is on his 6th offensive coordinator in 6 years. Kind of hard to get in a groove with all that constant change in systems.

That said, I'd really like to see some threads discussing how straight up pathetic our defense has become in all facets. Tackling, pass rush, pass d, sacks, ints, all just plain pathetic. Our D is what we're supposed to hang our hat on. Gregg Williams needs to step up and take some responsibility.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;245234]Well, at least you sir are prepared to suffer now.

Campbell will likely struggle in all 7 of his starts this season. We won't move the ball at all before CP comes back. It's gonna get real ugly, real fast.[/QUOTE]

We're prepared to suffer now because we've been suffering for quite some time.

"He won't move the ball at all before CP comes back." I think those words might haunt you. I think that unlike Brunell, he'll throw a lot of picks, but he'll also actually move the ball.

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[quote=memphisskin;245012]JC, the future is now![/quote]

The future is now or never. We find out right now if we have a stud or a scud.

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[quote=GTripp0012;245234]Well, at least you sir are prepared to suffer now.

Eventually the move was going to be made, and although now probably wasnt the best week for it, Gibbs to an extent probably folded under the pressure from the fans on this one. In the end...it probably won't matter whether the move was made this week or next week. But that doesn't mean it was a good time for it.

Campbell will likely struggle in all 7 of his starts this season. We won't move the ball at all before CP comes back. It's gonna get real ugly, real fast.

But in the end, Campbell will improve over the offseason and lets see if we cant make a push in 2007.

Here's to a new era and hail to the redskins![/quote]


I gotta disagree. Portis is awesome for sure, but Betts is a starting caliber running back, and although Rock doesn't play much, he's always pretty darn good when he's in on offense. And maybe now we'll see why we traded (yet again) a high draft pick for Duckett.

And with the speed we have at receiver, we need an arm like JC's to get vertical with passing game.

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[quote=Mc2guy;245207]With all due respect...you sir are Delooooooosional (best Lewis Black imitation) if you thought MB was going to "stick it" to Tampa.

The season was also over in August when it was obvious that our offense couldn't learn the playbook in the preseason and the defense starting looking like swiss cheese. BTW, just because no one agrees with you doesn't mean you have to turn into a sourpuss and start poopin' on everyone else faint glimmer of hope that this year can turn into something positive.

Just as you desperately clung to any remote iota of positive play from MB all season, I expect you to give JC the same benefit of the doubt.[/quote]Except to this day it would be just as deloooooooosional to think that we'd be any better than 2-7 with Campbell at QB. The games we lost we didn't lose because of the QB position, and the Jacksonville game we won because of it.

You can't solve all your teams problems with a QB change, espicially when the QB wasn't the issue.

Here's a list of guys who have had worse seasons than MB:

Jon Jansen
Al Saunders
Derrick Dockery
Chris Cooley (my favorite Redskin)
Christian Fauria
Gregg Williams
Adam Archuleta
Sean Taylor
Carlos Rogers (I think he will improve drastically in the 2nd half of the year)
Warrick Holdman
Lemar Marshall (my 2nd favorite Redskin)
Marcus Washington
Andre Carter
Phillip Daniels

Good, now that we have Brunell out of the way, what are we going to do with those guys? And who is going to be Campbell's replacement when he doesnt throw 4 TDs this week?

According to [URL="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb.php"]advanced statistics[/URL] Brunell is personally responsible for 36.6 points this season (4.1 DPAR/G) (above replacement, or a guy responsible for exactly 0, and yes you can be below replacement level). Until further proof, Campbell would fall at the replacement QB range (0 DPAR/G). In his prime, Campbell is projected to produce 6.1 DPAR/G. That means Campbell at his prime would be responsible for 55.0 points this season up until this point. But he's got a ways to go to make his projection so you are almost certainly taking a hit in the present.

So in the present, I would expect our average pts/game to decrease by 4 for the rest of the year, slowly increasing as JC gets expierence.