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a big fat F.i got soo tired of our skins showing up for big games flatter than a pancake.his offense was good but his in ability to bring a team together into a single focused unit is well documented.good coordinator, terrible head coach.

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[quote=irish;273787]Lewis was the D coordinator for OBC. Norv is the best of the post 1995 redskins caoches by a mile and that says a lot because he was not that great.[/quote]

Is he better than the guy we have now? What's his name, oh yeah, Gibbs I think.

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[quote=Mattyk72;273881]The "real coach" in Dallas is already assembling his staff.

LOL what a joke.[/quote]

Yep, he's been the "real coach" since he told Jimmy Johnson to take a hike, er, since Jimmy Johnson resigned. Parcells is the only coach there to have even a little control.

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Here's a comment I made in my Internet column today about the Cowboys' coaching search:



With all the attention and focus on the Cowboys’ coaching search, there is an obvious solution to filling their vacancy – but it is one fraught with danger for the league. Jerry Jones could name himself as the coach of the Cowboys. Hey, George Halas and Paul Brown were rather successful “owner/coaches”; Al Davis coached the Raiders for a while and he’s the moral equivalent of an “owner”. Jones is already the Cowboys’ owner, CEO, President and GM; he spends half the game on the sidelines anyway; he played college football; he can certainly do well in the job interview event. It’s a way to increase the team’s profitability since he won’t need to pay a head coach something in the neighborhood of $4-5M per year. And can he really do that much worse than Dave Campo did?

Here’s the danger for the league… If he does this and the team breaks even next year, it will set up a grand machismo situation for other owners. Follow this line of thought. Hey, if JJ can do it – and Al Davis did it before – why can’t I do it too? It’ll mean more face time for me on TV and if the team wins I won’t have to share the spotlight with some flunky that I was smart enough to hire in the first place; all that jamoke did was do what I paid him millions of dollars to do. And with that thinking – I can’t bring myself to call it reasoning – you could see Danny Boy Snyder prowling the sidelines for the Washington Redskins. Talk about putting one of the longstanding franchises into a tailspin…

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[QUOTE=celts32;273909]You can certainly blame Snyder for Norv's last season but what about the other 5 awful seasons? Most teams would have fired Norv in year 3...John Cooke was a very patient owner.[/QUOTE]

When Norv Turner was hired, Jack Kent Cooke was just focused on getting his stadium built, then when he passed away John Kent Cooke was just focused on keeping the team under his ownership.

I don't think it was until Snyder came along that anyone in that front office was even really paying attention to the team. There was just so much else going on at the time.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;273937]Here's a comment I made in my Internet column today about the Cowboys' coaching search:



With all the attention and focus on the Cowboys’ coaching search, there is an obvious solution to filling their vacancy – but it is one fraught with danger for the league. Jerry Jones could name himself as the coach of the Cowboys. Hey, George Halas and Paul Brown were rather successful “owner/coaches”; Al Davis coached the Raiders for a while and he’s the moral equivalent of an “owner”. Jones is already the Cowboys’ owner, CEO, President and GM; he spends half the game on the sidelines anyway; he played college football; he can certainly do well in the job interview event. It’s a way to increase the team’s profitability since he won’t need to pay a head coach something in the neighborhood of $4-5M per year. And can he really do that much worse than Dave Campo did?

Here’s the danger for the league… If he does this and the team breaks even next year, it will set up a grand machismo situation for other owners. Follow this line of thought. Hey, if JJ can do it – and Al Davis did it before – why can’t I do it too? It’ll mean more face time for me on TV and if the team wins I won’t have to share the spotlight with some flunky that I was smart enough to hire in the first place; all that jamoke did was do what I paid him millions of dollars to do. And with that thinking – I can’t bring myself to call it reasoning – you could see Danny Boy Snyder prowling the sidelines for the Washington Redskins. Talk about putting one of the longstanding franchises into a tailspin…[/quote]

I really don't see any of that happening. It's quite a hypothetical scenario, though, although I wouldn't put it past the egotistical Jones. Al Davis coached in a much different era than the one we have today.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;273646]Hey, did you know your namesake might be the next defensive coordinator of the Niners? I'm talking about former Redskins LB Greg Manusky for those that don't know.[/QUOTE]

It's official, by the way

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2750684]ESPN.com - NFL - Chargers' Manusky named 49ers' defensive coordinator[/url]

(Quoting myself...I have arrived!)

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[quote=TAFKAS;273938]When Norv Turner was hired, Jack Kent Cooke was just focused on getting his stadium built, then when he passed away John Kent Cooke was just focused on keeping the team under his ownership.

I don't think it was until Snyder came along that anyone in that front office was even really paying attention to the team. There was just so much else going on at the time.[/quote]

Huh? Not true at all. At the time we had a GM named Charley Casserly and a assistant GM Bobby Mitchell. When Snyder came in the team was in great shape thanks to Casserly. We had draft picks, a proven QB and were under the cap. The team was ready to win. Things went down hill when Deion Sanders and co. were signed. Snyder and Vinny f--ked everything up. Why would you bring in Jeff George? Why would you bring in Bruce Smith? Why would you fire Marty after one year? Why would you hire a college coach with a gimmick offense? Danny Boi wants to win but he just has NO CLUE how to win. Always after a quick fix. You just can't buy team chemistry. It's not for sale. I bet John Cooke is sitting back on an island somewhere laughing his ass off.

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[quote=TAFKAS;274051]It's official, by the way

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2750684"]ESPN.com - NFL - Chargers' Manusky named 49ers' defensive coordinator[/URL]

(Quoting myself...I have arrived!)[/quote]
this is when you know you have made it. and yesterday, i was watching nfl live and jimmy johnson was on. he said that working with jones really wasnt that bad. but he just wanted to be included in the football decisions. that was his downfall in dallas. he thought jones knew nothing about football, and treated him as so

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all you here seem to secretly love snyder some much it makes me sick. norv brought us our first. divison title since 1991 and all you people do is take the side of that moron snyder. i guess you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;274069]Huh? Not true at all. At the time we had a GM named Charley Casserly and a assistant GM Bobby Mitchell. When Snyder came in the team was in great shape thanks to Casserly. We had draft picks, a proven QB and were under the cap. The team was ready to win. Things went down hill when Deion Sanders and co. were signed. Snyder and Vinny f--ked everything up. Why would you bring in Jeff George? Why would you bring in Bruce Smith? Why would you fire Marty after one year? Why would you hire a college coach with a gimmick offense? Danny Boi wants to win but he just has NO CLUE how to win. Always after a quick fix. You just can't buy team chemistry. It's not for sale. I bet John Cooke is sitting back on an island somewhere laughing his ass off.[/QUOTE]

I think John Cooke runs a vineyard in Virginia. He was, according to several sources, completely clueless while running the Redskins and while his dad was there.

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At the time, I thought Turner was a failure...but THEN the Spurrier era happened and I was wishing we still had Turner. Yuck.

He's not going to improve Dallas in my opinion. It's a shallow year for coaching prospects though and he's probably the best they can do on such short notice though.

It'll be fun beating the Cowboys twice next year. :)

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Norv is the worst available candidate becasue he is a proven failure. There are a number of qualified coordinators that deserve a chance to be a head coach over that retread. We assume there are no good candidates because the media is not spouting off about anyone inparticular other than the Pittsburgh guys and Ron Rivera.

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[QUOTE=ncskinsfanec;273915]Is he better than the guy we have now? What's his name, oh yeah, Gibbs I think.[/QUOTE]

Is he better than the Joe Gibbs that coached this team in the 80s, I dont think so. Is he better than the Joe Gibbs coaching the team now, it seems as if he might be.

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[quote=irish;274319]Is he better than the Joe Gibbs that coached this team in the 80s, I dont think so. Is he better than the Joe Gibbs coaching the team now, it seems as if he might be.[/quote]He's the same guy.

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[quote=irish;274319]Is he better than the Joe Gibbs that coached this team in the 80s, I dont think so. Is he better than the Joe Gibbs coaching the team now, it seems as if he might be.[/quote]

Give me a break! You can't tell me with a staight face that Norv Turner is better than Joe Gibbs under any circumstances, not even as an offensive coordinator.

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What will be interesting to see is if JJ gives in to his demands of having his own staff, or tells him hell no. Or somewhere in between; maybe Norv will cave in if the money is good.

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It's highly unusual for a guy who has failed twice to get a third shot at an NFL head coaching job. "Two and thru" is usually the rule of thumb.

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[quote=The Huddle;274514]It's highly unusual for a guy who has failed twice to get a third shot at an NFL head coaching job. "Two and thru" is usually the rule of thumb.[/quote]


Except when the owner wants the coach to be weak so he can actually run things.

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[quote=70Chip;274516]Except when the owner wants the coach to be weak so he can actually run things.[/quote]


Exactly how I want it TOO! Let JJ make the decisions! Dallas will unravel faster than TO can drop another ball whne he's wide open to beat the skins! HAHAHAHHAA...god i love TO for that.....

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[quote=htownskinfan;273601]I agree,I think you can throw out the record in oakland,and turner is the only coach to get us to playoffs since gibbs first go round,if we would have had a decent fg kicker,we would have made the playoffs at least once more under norv,maybe twice.
I personally think norv has an undeserved reputation as sucking[/quote]
I agree with you.... I still respect Norvo

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[quote=vaoutlaws2006;274152]all you here seem to secretly love snyder some much it makes me sick. norv brought us our first. divison title since 1991 and all you people do is take the side of that moron snyder. i guess you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.[/quote]
I used to be a Snyder fan...NO longer..I don't like that spoiled brat at all now!!!

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Woops!!! spoiled Very Rich Brat..lmao

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;274330]He's the same guy.[/QUOTE]

No he's not.

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[QUOTE=ncskinsfanec;274413]Give me a break! You can't tell me with a staight face that Norv Turner is better than Joe Gibbs under any circumstances, not even as an offensive coordinator.[/QUOTE]

At this moment in time I think Norv and Joe are about equal. I never thought I'd say that but Joe just does not have it in today's NFL.

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[quote=irish;274684]No he's not.[/quote]Wait so Joe Gibbs 2 is an imposter? Where are you getting your info?

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;274691]Wait so Joe Gibbs 2 is an imposter? Where are you getting your info?[/QUOTE]

I know this guy has the same name and Social Security Number but as a coach he's just not the same guy. He's older and mellower and has given the most important aspects of the job to Al Saunders. The old Joe Gibbs would never have done that.

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My dad...god rest his soul....would flip out if he knew gibbs was coaching the skins again and not calling the plays. his offense might have been a little out dated but it was working. I cant believe what he has turned into which is basically the CEO on the sidelines.

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[quote=irish;274705]I know this guy has the same name and Social Security Number but as a coach he's just not the same guy. He's older and mellower and has given the most important aspects of the job to Al Saunders. The old Joe Gibbs would never have done that.[/quote]

His age certainly isn't helping him these days, which is just how it is. I wish he was still running the offense, but he probably just doesn't have the energy he did in his coaching prime. I still would take Gibbs over most any other coach, still. I think he proved last season that he still has it, and after he gave the team a tongue lashing before the Carolina game the team responded. Don't judge the man based on the three losing seasons he's had, look at the 12 winning season's he's had. Fact of the matter is, Gibbs is a victim of his own success, he's just held to a different standard than almost every one else.

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that is a great post. right on the money

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[QUOTE=ncskinsfanec;274756]His age certainly isn't helping him these days, which is just how it is. I wish he was still running the offense, but he probably just doesn't have the energy he did in his coaching prime. I still would take Gibbs over most any other coach, still. I think he proved last season that he still has it, and after he gave the team a tongue lashing before the Carolina game the team responded. Don't judge the man based on the three losing seasons he's had, look at the 12 winning season's he's had. Fact of the matter is, Gibbs is a victim of his own success, he's just held to a different standard than almost every one else.[/QUOTE]

I said in a prior post that Gibbs in the 80s was a great coach. Gibbs in 2006 is at best a mediocre coach. In the history of the NFL Gibbs will go down as a great coach but in the NFL of 2007 there are a lot of other coaches I'd rather have. Now the question becomes would those coaches I'd prefer over Gibbs actaully fare better than Gibbs in the Redskins screwed-up organization? I'm not sure.

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[quote=irish;274781]I said in a prior post that Gibbs in the 80s was a great coach. Gibbs in 2006 is at best a mediocre coach. In the history of the NFL Gibbs will go down as a great coach but in the NFL of 2007 there are a lot of other coaches I'd rather have. Now the question becomes would those coaches I'd prefer over Gibbs actaully fare better than Gibbs in the Redskins screwed-up organization? I'm not sure.[/quote]

The final chapter of Joe Gibbs coaching career with the Redskins hasn't been written yet. I still think he's got one more Super Bowl run in him to be honest. Coming off this season you may think I'm crazy or ignorant to say that, but I truly believe it.

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[quote=Mattyk72;273881]The "real coach" in Dallas is already assembling his staff.

LOL what a joke.[/quote]

You know, I used to think the same thing.

But then I thought, this guy has made himself a Billionaire, has maintained and increased the value and recognition of the franchise, played D1 ball at arkansas or OK - I can't remember which....

Maybe he isn't so dumb?

How does it work in other franchises? Don't most owners have a great deal of influence on the decisions of their GM and Coach?

I don't know. I think that Norv isn't the answer, at the same time I don't think that Jerry is a complete idiot. Just don't let him Draft anyone and have a personnel guy watch his moves.

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[quote=5RINGS;274822]You know, I used to think the same thing.

But then I thought, this guy has made himself a Billionaire, has maintained and increased the value and recognition of the franchise, played D1 ball at arkansas or OK - I can't remember which....

Maybe he isn't so dumb?

How does it work in other franchises? Don't most owners have a great deal of influence on the decisions of their GM and Coach?

I don't know. I think that Norv isn't the answer, at the same time I don't think that Jerry is a complete idiot. Just don't let him Draft anyone and have a personnel guy watch his moves.[/quote]

He's obviously not an idiot, but he is a media hound for sure. I think his biggest problem is his lack of character. I mean how can someone like him sleep at night knowing he fired a legend and beloved figure like Tom Landry?

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon;273937]Here's a comment I made in my Internet column today about the Cowboys' coaching search:



With all the attention and focus on the Cowboys’ coaching search, there is an obvious solution to filling their vacancy – but it is one fraught with danger for the league. Jerry Jones could name himself as the coach of the Cowboys. Hey, George Halas and Paul Brown were rather successful “owner/coaches”; Al Davis coached the Raiders for a while and he’s the moral equivalent of an “owner”. Jones is already the Cowboys’ owner, CEO, President and GM; he spends half the game on the sidelines anyway; he played college football; he can certainly do well in the job interview event. It’s a way to increase the team’s profitability since he won’t need to pay a head coach something in the neighborhood of $4-5M per year. And can he really do that much worse than Dave Campo did?

Here’s the danger for the league… If he does this and the team breaks even next year, it will set up a grand machismo situation for other owners. Follow this line of thought. Hey, if JJ can do it – and Al Davis did it before – why can’t I do it too? It’ll mean more face time for me on TV and if the team wins I won’t have to share the spotlight with some flunky that I was smart enough to hire in the first place; all that jamoke did was do what I paid him millions of dollars to do. And with that thinking – I can’t bring myself to call it reasoning – you could see Danny Boy Snyder prowling the sidelines for the Washington Redskins. Talk about putting one of the longstanding franchises into a tailspin…[/QUOTE]




Trying to imagine this senerio becoming a reality. I would give anything to see Jerry Jones on the sidelines trying to coach TO. I have a feeling his love connection with his beloved wideout would quickly unravel. It would certainly be worth the price of admission just to witness.

As for Norv, I agree with most who think he was better suited as as OC as opposed to HC.

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Failure.

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[QUOTE=ncskinsfanec;274801]The final chapter of Joe Gibbs coaching career with the Redskins hasn't been written yet. I still think he's got one more Super Bowl run in him to be honest. Coming off this season you may think I'm crazy or ignorant to say that, but I truly believe it.[/QUOTE]

He better start that run soon because his contract is almost complete and he's not going to extend it.

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[QUOTE=irish;274685]At this moment in time I think Norv and Joe are about equal. I never thought I'd say that but Joe just does not have it in today's NFL.[/QUOTE]

You know what's funny? All this talk recently about how Dungy has shown that you don't have to be a hard-ass drill sargeant coach to win a Super Bowl, unlike the Parcells, Billicks, and Belichicks of the world.

I'm sorry, didn't Gibbs demonstrate that three different times?

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[quote=TAFKAS;273646]Hey, did you know your namesake might be the next defensive coordinator of the Niners? I'm talking about former Redskins LB Greg Manusky for those that don't know.[/quote]

I didn't hear that, but good for him. Whenever I think of him, I think of that crazed special teamer with a mohawk.

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[quote=irish;274910]He better start that run soon because his contract is almost complete and he's not going to extend it.[/quote]

Anything can happen in the NFL in two years time. Heck, one year for that matter!