Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;277532]Regarding this original post, I'm not saying this "deal" is made up, but I will say it's hearsay so I would encourage everyone to not get too worked up. Take it for what it is, a guy who supposedly talked to a guy. Sorry but I've heard these things too many times before.[/quote]

I hope you're right b/c I hate the trade. Betts and Portis are major weapons and will both go for 1000 if healthy. Look at Indy's two headed monster approach. Last year Betts balls dropped and he became a passing and running threat to be dealt with, that will motivate CP that much more. Why don't we draft a player at # 6.

Last time we had a pick that low we got Sean Taylor...........

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

Pull the trigger on this one. Quick!

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

this would be a really boneheaded move without an extra pick...6th for a 26th??????

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[quote=JDALY27;277807]I hope you're right b/c I hate the trade. Betts and Portis are major weapons and will both go for 1000 if healthy. Look at Indy's two headed monster approach. Last year Betts balls dropped and he became a passing and running threat to be dealt with, that will motivate CP that much more. Why don't we draft a player at # 6.

Last time we had a pick that low we got Sean Taylor...........[/quote]

Now if our QB, O-line, D-line, and receivers were as good as Indy's we would win it all.

The Redskins problem is that they have so few positions where they have a good starter and backup and they have several holes. Look at last year. When Springs went down the D-literally fell apart. During the last couple of years, when Griff is hurt or out, the line looks like swiss cheese.

I don't see how the front office can ignore a legitimate trade offer for Betts when ideally, he will touch the ball 6 - 8 times a game. As far as a backup for Portis, there will be plenty of quality runningbacks available for a reasonable price. (Warrick Dunn comes to mind) There are plenty of runningbacks available every off-season.

Assuming that the Jet's rumor has some validity, I think they could work that trade with the Jets where they either keep the #6 pick or get more picks out of the Jets.

Of course the Jets would aim high with the first offer. We love dumping picks to them and Denver.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;277657]I also wouldn't be surprised if he re-signed with a handshake agreement that the team would still consider offers for him if it meant a shot at a starting job.[/quote]

Ive thought about that possibility also matty. I would not have a problem at all if a deal was done like that. I mean seriously, if their was a understanding that if a offer came that was good for the skins and put betts in a starting role, that would be fine with me.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;277850]Now if our QB, O-line, D-line, and receivers were as good as Indy's we would win it all.

The Redskins problem is that they have so few positions where they have a good starter and backup and they have several holes. Look at last year. When Springs went down the D-literally fell apart. During the last couple of years, when Griff is hurt or out, the line looks like swiss cheese.

I don't see how the front office can ignore a legitimate trade offer for Betts when ideally, he will touch the ball 6 - 8 times a game. As far as a backup for Portis, there will be plenty of quality runningbacks available for a reasonable price. (Warrick Dunn comes to mind) There are plenty of runningbacks available every off-season.

Assuming that the Jet's rumor has some validity, I think they could work that trade with the Jets where they either keep the #6 pick or get more picks out of the Jets.

Of course the Jets would aim high with the first offer. We love dumping picks to them and Denver.[/quote]


OUR OLINE IS JUST AS GOOD AS INDY'S IF NOT BETTER and trading betts would be the dumbest thing the redskins ever did since signing adam archuleta to a 30 million dollar deal i say we re-sign dockery pick up clements and fletcher and go for branch first but if he's gone get gaines adams that will shore up our defense leave the offense be we have weapons there and since we dont pick again until the 5th round we sohuld look for a true kick returner althugh rock did a decent job for us look at the numbers we have had 3 kickoff returns for touchdowns by rock, ladell, and antonio brown who was cut so just think if we had a devin hester, or a eddie drummond our avg starting field position was one of the worst in the league last year and i would much rather have campbell who is still developing to have to go 50-60 yards to score rather than 75-80

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

or kick coverage and returns were not the worst in the league from what i could tell. care to point me to where you got that info? we have bigger needs and anyone short of devin hester really isn't going to be a noticeable upgrade.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a prmiary source)
 

[quote=Beemnseven;277495]We swap picks (our 6th for their 25th) and give up Ladell Betts to get Jonathan Vilma?

Why don't we ask them to kick us in the balls too?

No thanks.[/quote]

Wow, my thoughts exactly, but im sure we would have to throw in the rest of our draft picks so they would kick us in the balls.....and we would do it.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

Correction I Said Our Starting Field Position Was One Of The Worst Not The Worse And There Are Alot Of Returners Who Aren't Devin Hester You Just Don'thear Bout Them Cause It's Devin Hester

Eddie Drummond
Dante Hall
Justin Miller
Jerome Mathis

I Am Not Saying That It Is A Pressing Issue Cause It Isn't I Would Just Like To See An Upgrade Their In The Draft With Our 5th Pick Cause Rock Cartwright Just Isnt The Fastest Guy And That Return He Had Against The Cowboys Was Purely Great Blocking

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I can testify for the wizards story. i sit on the floor and walk into George Michaels all the time. not to mention the numerous skins and larry michaels, who are regulars during the season. This guy really does work there, they walk around with signs tryin to amp up the crowd. i even caught a burrito last year. I believe his story. seeing what happens at half time in the vip club with all the celebrities, athletes, politicians, etc., this would not be out of normal. ive heard more rediculous down there talking to people

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

NOW TELL ME WHAT ARE THE SKINS MOST PRESSING NEEDS


PROBLEM:DEFENSIVE LINE, SOLUTION draft either alan branch, or gaines adams

problem: CORNERBACKS: SOLUTION: go after nate clements and if that falls through asante samuel i dont want to see fred smoot rocking a redskins jersey unless he bought it at the mall

problem: linebacker play SOLUTION: SIGN FLECTHER TO A 2 OR 3 YEAR DEAL NO MARK BRUNELL 2004 CONTRACTS AND LET HIM SHORE THAT UP FOR 2 YEARS IN THE MEAN TIME FIND AN EVENTUAL REPLACEMENT

problem: LOSING SOLUTION: SCORE MORE POINTS THAN THE OPPOSITION

PROBLEM: KICKER: WHO THE HELL IS SHAUN SUISHAM AND JOHN HALL COST US THE VIKING GAME WITH HIS GARBAGE ALWAYS INJURED SELF SOLUTION: FIND A NEW GOOD KICKER

AND CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE REDSKINS HAD AT LEAST ONE PICK IN EACH ROUND OF THE SAME DRAFT I WILL SETTLE FOR THE FIRST 3 ROUNDS

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;277871]Correction I Said Our Starting Field Position Was One Of The Worst Not The Worse And There Are Alot Of Returners Who Aren't Devin Hester You Just Don'thear Bout Them Cause It's Devin Hester

Eddie Drummond
Dante Hall
Justin Miller
Jerome Mathis

I Am Not Saying That It Is A Pressing Issue Cause It Isn't I Would Just Like To See An Upgrade Their In The Draft With Our 5th Pick Cause Rock Cartwright Just Isnt The Fastest Guy And That Return He Had Against The Cowboys Was Purely Great Blocking[/quote]

drummond isn't that great, the rest are good upgrades, but i don't think we'll be able to land any of them. and yeah rock isn't the fastest guy, but he can break a few tackles, and gibbs prefers RBs for kickoff duty for that reason.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

well that theory by joe gibbs is stupid look at the best k. returners in the league they are not running backs they arecorners, and recievers and where were you when drummond went to the pro bowl for kick returning and had 3 consecutive kick or punt returns for tds

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;277885]well that theory by joe gibbs is stupid look at the best k. returners in the league they are not running backs they arecorners, and recievers and where were you when drummond went to the pro bowl for kick returning and had 3 consecutive kick or punt returns for tds[/quote]

brian mitchell is the all time leader in return yards. he played for gibbs. he was a running back.

and where were you, last year drummond didn't make the top 30 in kick returns, and in 2005 he was #27. that's really not very good compared to who we already have.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

touche i like you bringin him up very very nice i though about him after i posted the other thing but i mean righ now and brian mitchell was way more explosive than rock cartwrigh who a few years ago had a 75 speed rating on madden and he ran a 4.79 at his combine or was it 4.89 i cant remember joe gibbs is kinda coaching in thepast man and that needs to stop now running backs arent used for kick returns as much cause wrs and dbs are better at it

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;277891]touche i like you bringin him up very very nice i though about him after i posted the other thing but i mean righ now and brian mitchell was way more explosive than rock cartwrigh who a few years ago had a 75 speed rating on madden and he ran a 4.79 at his combine or was it 4.89 i cant remember joe gibbs is kinda coaching in thepast man and that needs to stop now running backs arent used for kick returns as much cause wrs and dbs are better at it[/QUOTE]

Last time I checked, a) Madden ratings dont mean crap in the actual National Football League, and B) I thought Rock Cartwright did a HELLAVA job for us last year returning kicks, and I have absolutley no problems with him being there next year and beyond. He runs striaght up the damn feild and consistenly got us to the 30 yard line or beoynd which is all you can ask for

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;277891]touche i like you bringin him up very very nice i though about him after i posted the other thing but i mean righ now and brian mitchell was way more explosive than rock cartwrigh who a few years ago had a 75 speed rating on madden and he ran a 4.79 at his combine or was it 4.89 i cant remember joe gibbs is kinda coaching in thepast man and that needs to stop now running backs arent used for kick returns as much cause wrs and dbs are better at it[/quote]I disagree. Running backs are BETTER at returning kicks than DBs and WRs because they actually carry the ball as part of their job. They won't fumble as much, and they tend to have better vision than WRs or DBs. Rock was a consistent returner. He took the ball, saw the lane, got up the field and actually broke tackles. All returners can break one from time to time (rock's no exception), but guys like Devin Hester will always return to earth in the manner that Dante Hall did back in 2004.

Our return game is fine and dandy with Rock returning kicks and Randle El returning punts.

Any RB (or receiveing-style FB) can return kicks in my opinion.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

i disagree devin hester will have at least 3 returns each year cause that is all that he does and rock finished 17th that's not getting you to the 30 each time i am not saying rock isnt good at it i am saying an upgrade wouldnt hurt now we dont have a pick until the 5th round why not look for a speed defensive back and train him in that aspect. devin hester has been doing that since he was in pop warner football and look what it has done for him or let randle el and cartwright do kick returns that would keep defenses off balance and why not let randle el do it even though he doesnt want to i likedit better when betts was back there he was 4th in ht e league i think and he got pro bowl alternate to koren robinson which i think was absolute crap

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;277899]I disagree. Running backs are BETTER at returning kicks than DBs and WRs because they actually carry the ball as part of their job. They won't fumble as much, and they tend to have better vision than WRs or DBs. Rock was a consistent returner. He took the ball, saw the lane, got up the field and actually broke tackles. All returners can break one from time to time (rock's no exception), but guys like Devin Hester will always return to earth in the manner that Dante Hall did back in 2004.

Our return game is fine and dandy with Rock returning kicks and Randle El returning punts.

Any RB (or receiveing-style FB) can return kicks in my opinion.[/quote]

100% agree.

With KRer's you want them to get up to the 25-30 yard in the most efficient manner possible, not have them scamper about looking for the window of opportunity in which case they have a greater chance of establishing terrible field position. Running backs are built to carry the ball straight ahead and break a tackle or two.
PRer's have a better situation of already having established decent field position by virtue of the probability that the line of scrimmage is farther back than the Kick-off line of scrimmage. They can try to get away with more because the marginal loss isn't as great as it is with kick-offs.

In short, I like Rock being back there and I didn't mind it when Betts did it either. Also, I think Randle El is going to take a couple or three punts to the house in 2007.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

that makes sense but i think we should get someone else to do it or put randle eland cartwright back there

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[quote=12thMan;277586]Vilma is still young and one of the best. I make this trade all day long.[/quote]

If this is true (and that's a big if) then it could basically come down to Vilma vs. Branch. So you would rather have Vilma over someone who could possible make the LB's better? Make their job easier by hopefully trying up blockers? Is there anyone at the end of the 1st round that is better than Branch?

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;277949]Is there anyone at the end of the 1st round that is better than Branch?[/quote]

that's a big no.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

Rock had a great year returning kicks... we have too many other needs to put KR anywhere near the top of our list.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

alan branch will be the best pick for the skins look at what marcus stroud and john henderson do for the jags now alan branch and griffin will do that for the skins

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;277561]I think most people understand anyone is replaceable in this leaque. But you certainly don't have to look to far around the league and clearly see QUALITY RB/TB aren't DIME A DOZEN!

Futhermore, you MUST have at least ONE. With TJ more than likely gone, and used up. CP status not real clear? There's a chance LB is our #1 back with Rock as #2. They signed a solid back in LB to a 5 year deal for a GREAT reason we need him, and Joe Gibbs football is pound the rock first. If CP was 100% there might be an ounce of thruth to this thread.[/QUOTE]

Good RB's are not that hard to find. Look at the Colts letting Edge walk and replacing him with no problem. And we don't even really know how good Betts really is. When he ran the ball well at the end that was when our line was finally starting to gel. How many of his runs down the stretch did he make people miss or carry tacklers for extra yards? He is a good player...lets not make him out to be more than that. I think this trade is a little tilted towards the Jets, but lets not make Betts out to be this irreplacable player. A young MLB like Vilma is way more valuable than Betts.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested?!(from a primary source)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;277949]If this is true (and that's a big if) then it could basically come down to Vilma vs. Branch. So you would rather have Vilma over someone who could possible make the LB's better? Make their job easier by hopefully trying up blockers? Is there anyone at the end of the 1st round that is better than Branch?[/quote]


I think if it came down to it, I'd lean toward Vilma. While Branch could be good, even great, Vilma is a known commodity and he's still young as has been stated.

If Griff, whom I thought had an off year, can return to form and Golston get's more comfortable with the scheme, conditioning and so forth, that could give us some punch up front. So in my mind Vilma then becomes an intersting piece to the puzzle. He also seems to be a leader on the field.

He seems to be very vocal toward other teammates, which we need.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

that's stupid ladell betts is loved in that locker room if they let him go there will be so much turmoil in washington

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

The team would go into turmoil if Ladell Betts was traded?

Please. That's just ridiculous.

Here's a guy that most everyone was ready to run out of town a year ago, all of a sudden he's the glue that holds this locker room together?

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

not the glue more like the container the glue is in lol why get rid of him?

when he and portis are healthy they could combine for record numbers
why does everyone want to get rid of him there is a reason we drafted him in the 2nd round

he is a great back up and a good running back look at chester taylor of the vikings i know the ravens wished that they had him back

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

Simple question, who would you take straight up?

Betts (2nd string RB) or Vilma (starting MLB and one of the best at his position)?

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

I just hate giving up guys that are loyal...we have a bad track record for this stuff working out

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;277881]NOW TELL ME WHAT ARE THE SKINS MOST PRESSING NEEDS


PROBLEM:DEFENSIVE LINE, SOLUTION draft either alan branch, or gaines adams

problem: CORNERBACKS: SOLUTION: go after nate clements and if that falls through asante samuel i dont want to see fred smoot rocking a redskins jersey unless he bought it at the mall

problem: linebacker play SOLUTION: SIGN FLECTHER TO A 2 OR 3 YEAR DEAL NO MARK BRUNELL 2004 CONTRACTS AND LET HIM SHORE THAT UP FOR 2 YEARS IN THE MEAN TIME FIND AN EVENTUAL REPLACEMENT

problem: LOSING SOLUTION: SCORE MORE POINTS THAN THE OPPOSITION

PROBLEM: KICKER: WHO THE HELL IS SHAUN SUISHAM AND JOHN HALL COST US THE VIKING GAME WITH HIS GARBAGE ALWAYS INJURED SELF SOLUTION: FIND A NEW GOOD KICKER

AND CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE REDSKINS HAD AT LEAST ONE PICK IN EACH ROUND OF THE SAME DRAFT I WILL SETTLE FOR THE FIRST 3 ROUNDS[/quote]

suisham is the real deal. will be great next season.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

[quote=dall-assblows;278027]suisham is the real deal. will be great next season.[/quote]

he's atleast decent...better than anything we've had in a long time...as far as Vilma goes, lets just go ahead and sign fletcher to end all this

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;278018]Simple question, who would you take straight up?

Betts (2nd string RB) or Vilma (starting MLB and one of the best at his position)?[/QUOTE]

Well I think Betts would start in alot of places in the league....
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but anyoen who says Betts over Vilma is out of their minds.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

Hey Redskins fans.

I'm a New York Jets fans if you can't tell by the avatar.

Someone brought this trade rumor to our forum and I wanted to comment on it over here.

You guys would be lucky to get Vilma. Great player, great leader and class act.

Its really difficult seeing a player that good struggle in our system. We know he's not made for the 3-4, but we're committed to the 3-4 and if he doesn't fit, he doesn't fit.

Don't be fooled by last year. Vilma on your team would be a pro-bowler for years to come.

The problem with this trade is, both of our teams have the same needs: defensive line.

I doubt this gets done because of that. Your team shouldn't pass up the chance to draft Branch or Anderson and the only way we'd trade Vilma is if we were sure to get a great player (potentially, after all this is the draft) at a position of need in return.

But just in case this does happen, I wanted to let you know how great it is to have a player like Jon Vilma leading your defense. You won't be disappointed.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

[QUOTE=TMahoney;278045]Hey Redskins fans.

I'm a New York Jets fans if you can't tell by the avatar.

Someone brought this trade rumor to our forum and I wanted to comment on it over here.

You guys would be lucky to get Vilma. Great player, great leader and class act.

Its really difficult seeing a player that good struggle in our system. We know he's not made for the 3-4, but we're committed to the 3-4 and if he doesn't fit, he doesn't fit.

Don't be fooled by last year. Vilma on your team would be a pro-bowler for years to come.

The problem with this trade is, both of our teams have the same needs: defensive line.

I doubt this gets done because of that. Your team shouldn't pass up the chance to draft Branch or Anderson and the only way we'd trade Vilma is if we were sure to get a great player (potentially, after all this is the draft) at a position of need in return.

But just in case this does happen, I wanted to let you know how great it is to have a player like Jon Vilma leading your defense. You won't be disappointed.[/QUOTE]

Welcome!

Good points. I have a friend who is a Jets fan, and he is nuts over Vilma. I had the feeling that many Jets fans felt the same way.

You should stick around, there is a lot of good discussion here, and it is so cool to have fans from other teams to offer different viewpoints.

Good luck to you next year!

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

I think around here, no one doubts Vilma's abilities. What we're doubting is the quality of the trade (should it even happen).

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

[quote=TMahoney;278045]Hey Redskins fans.

I'm a New York Jets fans if you can't tell by the avatar.

Someone brought this trade rumor to our forum and I wanted to comment on it over here.

You guys would be lucky to get Vilma. Great player, great leader and class act.

Its really difficult seeing a player that good struggle in our system. We know he's not made for the 3-4, but we're committed to the 3-4 and if he doesn't fit, he doesn't fit.

Don't be fooled by last year. Vilma on your team would be a pro-bowler for years to come.

The problem with this trade is, both of our teams have the same needs: defensive line.

I doubt this gets done because of that. Your team shouldn't pass up the chance to draft Branch or Anderson and the only way we'd trade Vilma is if we were sure to get a great player (potentially, after all this is the draft) at a position of need in return.

But just in case this does happen, I wanted to let you know how great it is to have a player like Jon Vilma leading your defense. You won't be disappointed.[/quote]

J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!!!!

Why doesn't Mangini try Vilma on the outside, instead of getting him all beat up playing inside on a 3-4?

I don't think you guys need Betts. Leon Washington is the real deal and he could carry the load all by himself. Should have been a 1st round draft pick. I like Houston too. Real nice 1-2 punch.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

Hmm, just thought about the Kris Jenkins rumor. If we are pursuing him, then our need to draft at #6 becomes less important. Trading Vilma for Betts and comparable draft compensation may then be a decent idea. I guess you could substitue any DT that can be traded or has been released instead of Jenkins.

Just a thought that is not entirely endorsed by me.

Re: Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)
 

when did this kris jenkins rumor start up cause if we get him then we could consider trading down and nabbing gaines adams while getting an extra pick or two some where