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[url=http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=3035447]ABC News: CBS Fires Don Imus From Radio Show[/url]

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Yea I think we all saw that coming.

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[quote=100% PURE WHOOP ASS;296935]Matty your wrong he is not a jackass he's a racist biget, just like rush limbaurgh,..........a jackass can be forgiven, as a blackman he would made those comments about my child who played on that team I would have whooped his shaggy dog,..old prune ass.....whoever dont like that ........TO DAMN BAD[/quote]


i'm still confused as to how his statement "nappy headed hoes" is a racist comment. is the rutgers womens b-ball team an all black team ? i thought there were white girls , as well as black girls on that team. if i'm correct and there are both white and black girls on that team , then how is his comment racist ? sexist, i can see but racist, no.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins;297244]i'm still confused as to how his statement "nappy headed hoes" is a racist comment. is the rutgers womens b-ball team an all black team ? i thought there were white girls , as well as black girls on that team. if i'm correct and there are both white and black girls on that team , then how is his comment racist ? sexist, i can see but racist, no.[/QUOTE]

After reading Wilbon's article about Imus and learning more about his past, I don't care about his recent statements. The guy deserved to be fired for his continued pattern of inappropriate conduct. Check out the link I posted at the top of this page if you'd like to learn more about his "past incidents."

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imus is a idiot but what really funny is how jackson and sharpton get away bulling everyone. They sure seem to get a free pass all the time. Why cant they at least say their sorry for their comment about the duke players. Boy what a double standard. You have the new black panters going to duke and threating the players and jackson and sharpton saying all their bs. If a white woman accused 3 black duke basketball players and it was found out she was lying what hell would have to be paid. Jackson and sharpton would be in hog heaven. Those two guys are just as bad or worst than imus. Also would love to see wilbon change his tune on these guy since he had them guilty too.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;297245]After reading Wilbon's article about Imus and learning more about his past, I don't care about his recent statements. The guy deserved to be fired for his continued pattern of inappropriate conduct. Check out the link I posted at the top of this page if you'd like to learn more about his "past incidents."[/quote]

that article definately helps me understand why he was fired, i didn't know he had a history of making such comments.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins;297250]that article definately helps me understand why he was fired, i didn't know he had a history of making such comments.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I didn't know his history of problems before I read that one.

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[quote=hooskins;296936]See no offense bud, but I think this is the exact kind of stuff that I am talking about. The majority of America wants to crucify him and make him the scapegoat, but he isnt to blame for the issue for racist. I am sure a shitload of people may have thought similar things as Imus and I am sure a lot of people found it funny, and are now talking about how it is a bad thing.

My point is racism is present everywhere, but instead of addressing the problem we hide it until its ugly head comes out after an issue like this. We as Americans need to discuss stuff like this and try to accomplish something rather than just blaming someone and making them the scapegoat.

That does absolutely nothing at all.[/quote] Is that what you think, well I see this will get no where and anyone who thought that was funny is in the same damn catogory ass Imus, You insult a race of women, and say i was joking, is stupid and if you think were trying to hide behind race on this YOUR STUPID TO!

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[quote=wolfeskins;297244]i'm still confused as to how his statement "nappy headed hoes" is a racist comment. is the rutgers womens b-ball team an all black team ? i thought there were white girls , as well as black girls on that team. if i'm correct and there are both white and black girls on that team , then how is his comment racist ? sexist, i can see but racist, no.[/quote] OF CORSE YOU CANT cause your probaly a white guy, and wouldnt understand at all, whether there white girls on the team or not, it wasnt directed toward the white women, ( so dont play retared) he was targeting a race of women not the whole team, but the more I hear these stupid ass, comments about how he isnt racist just stupid, means you have no more sensitivity toward these girls than he do, and you just catgoried you self with him.

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I can't say I really understand what you're trying to say 100%

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This thread looks like it's headed towards a lockdown.

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100%, I understand why this issue elicits a lot of emotion with so many people. Everyone has the [I]right[/I] to feel that Imus is the scum of the earth. But, if people make comments on this site that make you very angry and want to vent, I would suggest simply avoiding the thread containing the controversial issues or posts. We have site rules against personal attacks on fellow posters.

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First of all Imus is a racist f***. With that said I am sick of people saying " If a rapper said it there would be no problem." No. Rappers do not say i got some nappy headed hoes. Hell, there would be no problem with a white person saying hey whitey or any other white racial slur. A racial comment always comes from another race so there is nothing to back up the rapper argument.

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[quote=100% PURE WHOOP ASS;297282]Is that what you think, well I see this will get no where and anyone who thought that was funny is in the same damn catogory ass Imus, You insult a race of women, and say i was joking, is stupid and if you think were trying to hide behind race on this YOUR STUPID TO![/quote]

I never supported anything Imus has said at all. I never thought what he said was funny, I am saying I am sure many Americans might have at the time and now are changing their minds because it is such a big media deal. Racism is everywhere and we need to deal with it, but blaming ONE guy for Americas problems isn't doing any good at all.

You really just do not understand what I am trying to say. Go back and read my previous posts about what I feel about the issue.

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Why did his advertisors start cutting funding? Why did MSNBC and CBS cut him off? Why does the news make such a big deal about it?

It is all about money. Execs dont give a shit about racism, but it makes them look bad if they do not cut Imus. The companies dont care about what people think and society, they know they are losing big bucks if they keep supporting him.

I am sick of the news media especially prominent black sports figures in the media talking about how Imus deserved this, and how they were really upset he didnt lose his job. Honestly the only good thing I heard from a black person was Charles Barkley(yeah I know unbelievable).

He said Imus said stupid stuff, and stupid people say dumb things, but he shouldnt fully lose his job. It doesnt solve the problem of racism. The media, companies, CBS and NBC dont care about how to end racism or deal with it in the US. They just want a quick scapegoat to blame and fix all the problems.

I am saying the majority of this message board probably is content with the same, and that is bad.

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[quote=Skinner;297327]First of all Imus is a racist f***. With that said I am sick of people saying " If a rapper said it there would be no problem." No. [B]Rappers do not say i got some nappy headed hoes.[/B] Hell, there would be no problem with a white person saying hey whitey or any other white racial slur. A racial comment always comes from another race so there is nothing to back up the rapper argument.[/quote]
you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. the term ho is one of the most frequently used terms by any hard core rapper. and any racial comment, no matter where it comes from , is still a racial comment. one of the biggest problems the black society has today is the lack of respect it has for each other. you will hear back people calling each other the "N" word. but how many times do you hear a white person call another white person a cracker? black on black crime is at its highest peak, ever. it simply is NOT alright to use derogatory words when talking to anyone of any race.

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Not a good week for CBS (worst company I've ever worked for by the way). Not only this, but they also had to fire one of Katie Couric's producers for plagiarism-which is like the cardinal sin in journalism.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;297330]Why did his advertisors start cutting funding? Why did MSNBC and CBS cut him off? Why does the news make such a big deal about it?

It is all about money. Execs dont give a shit about racism, but it makes them look bad if they do not cut Imus. The companies dont care about what people think and society, they know they are losing big bucks if they keep supporting him.

I am sick of the news media especially prominent black sports figures in the media talking about how Imus deserved this, and how they were really upset he didnt lose his job. Honestly the only good thing I heard from a black person was Charles Barkley(yeah I know unbelievable).

He said Imus said stupid stuff, and stupid people say dumb things, but he shouldnt fully lose his job. It doesnt solve the problem of racism. The media, companies, CBS and NBC dont care about how to end racism or deal with it in the US. They just want a quick scapegoat to blame and fix all the problems.

I am saying the majority of this message board probably is content with the same, and that is bad.[/QUOTE]

His ratings were low anyways. So, Pulled Ad money + low ratings + heightened media frenzy pushing Imus to forefront = fired. It's all about the green in this case...Imus has been pulling this type of ignorance for years.

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It will be interesting to see when the next such occurrence takes place what will happen to offending party.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;297249]imus is a idiot but what really funny is how jackson and sharpton get away bulling everyone. They sure seem to get a free pass all the time. Why cant they at least say their sorry for their comment about the duke players. Boy what a double standard. You have the new black panters going to duke and threating the players and jackson and sharpton saying all their bs. If a white woman accused 3 black duke basketball players and it was found out she was lying what hell would have to be paid. Jackson and sharpton would be in hog heaven. Those two guys are just as bad or worst than imus. Also would love to see wilbon change his tune on these guy since he had them guilty too.[/quote]

I agree. Where was the apology to the Duke lacrosse players? Sure, Imus is a retard, but at least he apologized and manned up enough to go on Sharpton's show and apologize there. When the Duke players had their charges dropped, Sharpton and Jackson should shrank right back to their homes. Playing victim is not constructive whatever situation it is. White, black, green or striped, what does it accomplish? All it does is drive a stake in between whatever races are attacked.

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Imus will be on XM or Sirius within a month, I'm sure.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;297354]I agree. Where was the apology to the Duke lacrosse players? Sure, Imus is a retard, but at least he apologized and manned up enough to go on Sharpton's show and apologize there. When the Duke players had their charges dropped, Sharpton and Jackson should shrank right back to their homes. Playing victim is not constructive whatever situation it is. White, black, green or striped, what does it accomplish? All it does is drive a stake in between whatever races are attacked.[/quote]
True. Idiot Al, and Jesse do nothing but HARM to race relations. Not repair them

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;297354]I agree. Where was the apology to the Duke lacrosse players? Sure, Imus is a retard, but at least he apologized and manned up enough to go on Sharpton's show and apologize there. When the Duke players had their charges dropped, Sharpton and Jackson should shrank right back to their homes. Playing victim is not constructive whatever situation it is. White, black, green or striped, what does it accomplish? All it does is drive a stake in between whatever races are attacked.[/QUOTE]

Here here.

I feel the African American population in this country needs better leadership. The likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson do nothing to help advance the standing of blacks in this country. If anything they hurt it by giving little leadership and instead they pander to the reverse-discrimination emotionality that only causes divisiveness and blocks opportunity.

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Exactly. I don't see how Jesse and Al don't feel they have instantly segregated the nation with this crap. This has been the biggest media shitstorm racially in a long time. I'm talking even bigger than Michael Richards.

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While guys like Bill Cosby who seem to realize that the biggest issue in the AA community is the attacks on each other get railed on whenever they bring it up. How dare a successful person like Cosby talk about things that might actually help the AA community and improve race relations.

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[quote=SmootSmack;297372]Imus will be on XM or Sirius within a month, I'm sure.[/quote]

No doubt. He won't be off the air for long, once this cools off satellite will snatch him up.

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i always saw this statement as a lot more sexist than racist

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[QUOTE=Duffman003;297403]i always saw this statement as a lot more sexist than racist[/QUOTE]

Yeah it's interesting how many people overlook the Ho part of it

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I don't get the whole part of how much this has offended them to the point that they say it has (life time of pain). Yes the remarks where bad but how can a college and coach allow this to cause these players this much sorrow. What would have happend if this would have been a week before the playoffs. Would they have just hung their heads and given up. I would be of the mind set that what one person said is not going to bother me and I feel the coach and school have let them down by buying into all this stuff. They say how much this offended them but I bet if we could look at their CD collection we could find much worse degrading of women. This is music that the younger generation is listening to and watching so how are they going to treat women after all of this negative influence. I talked to my daughter about this and she said she sees and hears this stuff all the time.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;297449]I don't get the whole part of how much this has offended them to the point that they say it has (life time of pain). Yes the remarks where bad but how can a college and coach allow this to cause these players this much sorrow. What would have happend if this would have been a week before the playoffs. Would they have just hung their heads and given up. I would be of the mind set that what one person said is not going to bother me and I feel the coach and school have let them down by buying into all this stuff. They say how much this offended them but I bet if we could look at their CD collection we could find much worse degrading of women. This is music that the younger generation is listening to and watching so how are they going to treat women after all of this negative influence. I talked to my daughter about this and she said she sees and hears this stuff all the time.[/QUOTE]

I take it you've never been called "nigger" out of the blues or had someone tell you "f*ck you, get me a white person." I can go on and on. Shit adds up after a while you know. Emotionally, not everyone is like you. No one should have to put up with that sort of thing.

As for rap it's mostly consumed by white people. People will make whatever sells and white kids sure are buying.

p.s. I just noticed the forum language filter filters out f*ck but not nigger. Nice.

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[QUOTE=saden1;297463]p.s. I just noticed the forum language filter filters out f*ck but not nigger. Nice.[/QUOTE]

Because no one expects anyone to be dumb enough to say it.

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[QUOTE=saden1;297463]I take it you've never been called "nigger" out of the blues or had someone tell you "f*ck you, get me a white person." I can go on and on. Shit adds up after a while you know. Emotionally, not everyone is like you. No one should have to put up with that sort of thing.

As for rap it's mostly consumed by white people. People will make whatever sells and white kids sure are buying.

p.s. I just noticed the forum language filter filters out f*ck but not nigger. Nice.[/QUOTE]

I was watching Inside the Actors Studio with Eddie Murphy yesterday and in a scene from 48 hours they bleeped the "F" word, the "S" word, the "MF" word...but not the "N" word. Weird

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Damn now the vbulletin software here is racist?? What's next?

;)

SGG is right, I never expected anyone to use the N word otherwise it would be censored. Would you feel better if it was added to the list Saden? There was no harm meant by not including it, believe me. My ignorance I guess.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;297449]I don't get the whole part of how much this has offended them to the point that they say it has (life time of pain). Yes the remarks where bad but how can a college and coach allow this to cause these players this much sorrow. What would have happend if this would have been a week before the playoffs. Would they have just hung their heads and given up. I would be of the mind set that what one person said is not going to bother me and I feel the coach and school have let them down by buying into all this stuff. They say how much this offended them but I bet if we could look at their CD collection we could find much worse degrading of women. This is music that the younger generation is listening to and watching so how are they going to treat women after all of this negative influence. I talked to my daughter about this and she said she sees and hears this stuff all the time.[/QUOTE]

As for your daughter's comments - were the statements directed at her personally or at a group of her and friends? or at some other group entirely? If directed at her, what was her reaction? If at others, did she take offense?

On the "Scarred for life? Aren't we going a bit too far?" issue, I am with you.

The remarks we wrong and (given Imus' history) clearly part of a larger racist (and sexist) attitude he both holds and condones. He committed a wrong and should (and was) punished.

As to the actual harm caused by the wrong - that is a trickier question in my mind. Granted, I am a white male and have not been the target of either historic systemic racism (given the US's cultural history, a near impossibility) or specific individual racism directed against me either by comment or action (i.e. - comment: "white men can't jump"; action: "We won't hire you b/c ur a white male"). Thus, I have no first hand knowledge of the harm caused by either. Being [I]somewhat[/I] educated and well-read, however, I am capable of learning and understanding the emotions and feelings of someone who has been the subject of either systemic or direct racism.

I do have experience, on multiple occasions, of people directing hateful, malicious or otherwise degrading comments at me. In some cases, this was done in a very public manner. For each case (even those I considered slanderous), however, I did not consider myself "scarred". Some hurt more than others, but all were simply words, and, in my mind, words can only have the power we give them (i.e. Lenny Bruce's famous routine "niggernigger niggernigger - I am going to repeat this word until it is robbed of meaning"). To allow Imus to scar you with words is to give him more power over you mentally than he could ever have physically. I think this is especially true when it is universally recognized that the words used were hateful and, as such, universally condemned.

In light of the universal condemnation of the action, I don't understand the "scarring": Were you unaware that racism exists? Did you as a female black athelete believe that someone who knew you would actually give credence to these words? Did you yourself give any credibility to the words? Does the fact that the words have been universally condemned have no meaning to you?

Granted, words can cause harm but,when it comes to mental anguish, to a certain degree, that harm is yours to control. It is as the old adage says "sticks and stones can brake my bones, but words can never hurt me". It is only when people act upon words that you can be harmed in a way you cannot control. The mere utterance of hateful speech does nothing but highlight the hatefulness of the speaker.

Finally, a question meant to provoke discussion and not intended as either snarky or aloof: Is there any generic racial comment about a group of white men or in reference to a white man that would cause a black commentator to be fired or otherwise sanctioned beyond a slap on the wrist?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;297478]Damn now the vbulletin software here is racist?? What's next?

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SGG is right, I never expected anyone to use the N word otherwise it would be censored. Would you feel better if it was added to the list Saden? There was no harm meant by not including it, believe me. My ignorance I guess.[/QUOTE]



Trust me, I don't care. If there has been one complaints about me it's that I don't really care about anything but the $$$....hehe. What i'm trying to say is I'm never passionate about a particular subject. I'm not an ideologue.

I'm just pointing out things that are not so obvious to everyone might be to others. Things that don't seem hurtful to some might be to others. A lot of little things add up. The vBulletin filter thing is so very little and it doesn't really matter.

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[QUOTE=saden1;297463]I take it you've never been called "nigger" out of the blues or had someone tell you "f*ck you, get me a white person." I can go on and on. [B]Shit adds up after a while you know. Emotionally, not everyone is like you. No one should have to put up with that sort of thing[/B].[/QUOTE]

Yup. I would agree that being the constant target of rascist comments would inevitably anger me to the point of striking back in kind. At some point, regardless of the adage, words do hurt and can cause true anguish.

But that is not what's at work here. Here, hateful comments were made and immediately and universally condemned.

If, when someone called you "nigger" other whites rallied to you and told the ass who said it to f--- off, would that "add up"? If, when someone said, "get me a white person", the nearest white person then said: "Shut the f--- up, he's the best we have. It's him or nobody, and frankly if you choose nobody, we'll be good with that. Have a nice day." would that "add up"?

Doesn't the universal condemnation of the comments say [I]something[/I] about a change in the culture of america? Yes, racism exists (it likely always will to some degree) but we do not condone it and, if you try and condone it in a public forum, you will be subject to public scorn.

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[quote=saden1;297487]Trust me, I don't care. If there has been one complaints about me it's that I don't really care about anything but the $$$....hehe. What i'm trying to say is I'm never passionate about a particular subject. I'm not an ideologue.

I'm just pointing out things that are not so obvious to everyone might be to others. Things that don't seem hurtful to some might be to others. A lot of little things add up. The vBulletin filter thing is so very little and it doesn't really matter.[/quote]

Well, you did make a point. The N word is something I don't didn't even think about when I was adding words to the filter. Partly because I didn't think anyone was dumb enough to use it, and 2nd because it's a word that I don't have to deal with in the manner that you do.

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[quote=100% PURE WHOOP ASS;297284]OF CORSE YOU CANT cause your probaly a white guy, and wouldnt understand at all, whether there white girls on the team or not, it wasnt directed toward the white women, ( so dont play retared) he was targeting a race of women not the whole team, but the more I hear these stupid ass, comments about how he isnt racist just stupid, means you have no more sensitivity toward these girls than he do, and you just catgoried you self with him.[/quote]


how do you know he was only targeting the black girls on the team. during the rutger press conference each player from the team stood at the podium to speek. i do realize that the majority of the girls are black but why then did the white girls also speak during the press conference ? you make it sound as though i'm defending the guy , all i'm saying is his statement seems to be more sexist then racist. are only black girls called hoes, or is it the "nappy headed" part that makes it racist. i've heard white girls be called hoes before and i've never concidered the words nappy head to refer to any specific race. would imus have been talking about the white girls on the team if he would have said "bad haired sluts" people assume he was targetting the blacks because it was a white male talking about a basketball team . people forget that white poeple still play basketball too.

all these over the top reactions to his statement cause a bigger divide between blacks and whites then the actuall statement itself.

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Ok so instead of bitching at each other about stupid little points, how about discussing the big issue? Racism is still present in America, how should we deal with it? Honestly how much have accomplished by arguing about the stupid filter.

Perhaps Imus should have lost his job, but he lost it for all the wrong reasons. He lost it because of money and image, rather than people consciously trying to deal with the issue.

Obviously quite a bit of Americans are uneducated and do not have resources to understand the issues, so I personally think we need to do more to educate people all over the US, so there will be less "bigots". To me the alarming thing is people who are racist but have money and are educated. You would think going through education people will not develop racist views, but that isn't true.

Another point that TMC brought up, and that I would like to ask some of the black members at this forum, and that is do you think Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are good leaders of the black community? I know they give back a lot and that is a positive, but as some members mentioned they seem to segregate the community rather than integrate. Personally I feel Bill Cosby would be a better one because he realized that we cannot just keep on self-segregating and the responsibility falls on BOTH sides, white and black.

Any thoughts? And please only response to my post if you want to have a civil discussion.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins;297509]how do you know he was only targeting the black girls on the team. during the rutger press conference each player from the team stood at the podium to speek. i do realize that the majority of the girls are black but why then did the white girls also speak during the press conference ? you make it sound as though i'm defending the guy , all i'm saying is his statement seems to be more sexist then racist. are only black girls called hoes, or is it the "nappy headed" part that makes it racist. i've heard white girls be called hoes before and i've never concidered the words nappy head to refer to any specific race. would imus have been talking about the white girls on the team if he would have said "bad haired sluts" people assume he was targetting the blacks because it was a white male talking about a basketball team . people forget that white poeple still play basketball too.

all these over the top reactions to his statement cause a bigger divide between blacks and whites then the actuall statement itself.[/QUOTE]

Do you know any white girls with nappy hair?