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[QUOTE=RobH4413;301303]Didn't they use the "secret recordings" to write a book about it.

Not saying I'm an expert on the subject, but I can see a motive to be misleading about the information. If they're going to make tons of money off of it, then yeah, maybe there supplying a "secret recording" to make tons of money off of it.[/QUOTE]

I understand your point...but it's not just them. It's ex trainers, ex training buddies, ex girlfriends, ex friends, ex teammates. Basically, it's anyone that came into contact with him.
When 1 person says it, you can dismiss it...but when a whole village says it, it's hard to ignore.
Bonds is as guilty as OJ and he will get off scott free like him too.

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Big difference between the "crimes" though.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;301380]Big difference between the "crimes" though.[/QUOTE]

haha, yeah...sorry, didn't mean to imply otherwise. Just pointing out how guilty someone can be without being caught. Of course OJ came to mind.

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Let me say two things:

1. Bonds is guilty of steroid use. Come on, his trainer gave him the cream and the clear -- right? That is indisputable -- isn't it?

2. Charlie Hustle is the MAN! He should be in the Hall -- no doubt.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;301384]Let me say two things:

1. Bonds is guilty of steroid use. Come on, his trainer gave him the cream and the clear -- right? That is indisputable -- isn't it?

2. Charlie Hustle is the MAN! He should be in the Hall -- no doubt.[/QUOTE]

The ultimate would be for A-Rod to beat Bonds record, Bonds never being allowed into the hall of fame. That would kill him.

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[quote=jsarno;301707]The ultimate would be for A-Rod to beat Bonds record, Bonds never being allowed into the hall of fame. That would kill him.[/quote]

It will happen!

McGuire getting 23% of the HOF vote is an indication of what we'll be seeing from the "Steroid Era" hitters I think.

A-Rod's way ahead of Bonds' pace for career HRs too. All he has to do is stay healthy, which he's been good at so far. Actually...Bonds hasn't been very healthy (gee, I wonder why...) for a few years, so he's just helping everyone else catch up to him.

If Bonds beats Aaron, which is a disgrace, someone better come along and dethrone Bonds.

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Pujols has a chance too, but he's a LONG way away from being in the discussion...too young and too early in his career.

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[QUOTE=Buster;301713]It will happen!

McGuire getting 23% of the HOF vote is an indication of what we'll be seeing from the "Steroid Era" hitters I think.

A-Rod's way ahead of Bonds' pace for career HRs too. All he has to do is stay healthy, which he's been good at so far. Actually...Bonds hasn't been very healthy (gee, I wonder why...) for a few years, so he's just helping everyone else catch up to him.

If Bonds beats Aaron, which is a disgrace, someone better come along and dethrone Bonds.[/QUOTE]

I can see a-rod doing it. He's the only one right now though with a realistic shot to beat / break it. He has a proven track record of being healthy (which is a very good indication that he does not take steroids) and he's simply a beast.
McGwire will make it though...I don't think they wanted to set a precident that a suspected steroid user can make it first ballot. The sad thing is, McGwire admitted to andro, and he's still being kept off because of him ducking those questions in front of the grand jury.
The only two more guilty of taking roids than Bonds is Canseco and Caminiti.

Although, I have on very good authority that Sosa took roids in front of some others and offered it to them. I play softball with Shane Andrews and we've talked about Sosa and roids on many occasions.

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[QUOTE=Buster;301716]Pujols has a chance too, but he's a LONG way away from being in the discussion...too young and too early in his career.[/QUOTE]

Pujols averages 41.67 homers a season right now. So for him to catch Aaron, he'd have to keep up that pace for over 12 more years. That would make him 39 when he broke the record. That's possible...but that really is a long way away, and a lot can happen in that time.

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Another young gun is Miguel Cabrera...he had 104 homers by the time he was 23.

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Thats a lot of homers. Over a ot of time. Not even worth a discussion until someone gets close to 500 really. A-Rod is realistic. But health will be the key.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;301729]Thats a lot of homers. Over a ot of time. Not even worth a discussion until someone gets close to 500 really. A-Rod is realistic. But health will be the key.[/QUOTE]

I absolutely agree. Look at Griffey...he was tabbed as the guy to beat Aaron, and look at what happened to him.

Look at Manny Ramirez's numbers. Even if he hits 40 homers a year for the next 5 years, he'll still only hit 670, and he'll then be 39, going on 40 into the new season. He has some great numbers too...just shows you how good you have to be, and the even more important element is longevity.

Here are the guys with the best shots:

Alex Rodriguez 464hr by age 30
Albert Pujols 250hr by age 26
Andrew Jones 342hr by age 29
Vlad Guerrero 338hr by age 30
Adam Dunn 198hr by age 26

Assuming they all play to be 40, here is what they need to average per season to reach Aaron:
A-Rod: 29.10
Pujols: 36.07
Jones: 37.55
Vlad : 41.70
Dunn: 39.79

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[QUOTE=jsarno;301735]I absolutely agree. Look at Griffey...he was tabbed as the guy to beat Aaron, and look at what happened to him.

Look at Manny Ramirez's numbers. Even if he hits 40 homers a year for the next 5 years, he'll still only hit 670, and he'll then be 39, going on 40 into the new season. He has some great numbers too...just shows you how good you have to be, and the even more important element is longevity.

Here are the guys with the best shots:

Alex Rodriguez 464hr by age 30
Albert Pujols 250hr by age 26
Andrew Jones 342hr by age 29
Vlad Guerrero 338hr by age 30
Adam Dunn 198hr by age 26

Assuming they all play to be 40, here is what they need to average per season to reach Aaron:
A-Rod: 29.10
Pujols: 36.07
Jones: 37.55
Vlad : 41.70
Dunn: 39.79[/QUOTE]

Shows you how good A-Rod has been that he is really that far outpacing people. Hell he's 7 a year in front of Pujols.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;301738]Shows you how good A-Rod has been that he is really that far outpacing people. Hell he's 7 a year in front of Pujols.[/QUOTE]

No kidding. A-rod is truly amazing.

What actually surprised me was that Andrew Jones had similar numbers / averages to Pujols.

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no i'm not discusted rules are ment to be broken

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;301764]no i'm not discusted rules are ment to be broken[/QUOTE]

And consequences of actions or meant to take place.

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I'm getting jsarno this book for his birthday ;)

[url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0618551131?ie=UTF8&tag=ussmar-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0618551131]Amazon.com: The Cheater's Guide to Baseball: Books: Derek Zumsteg[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;301812]I'm getting jsarno this book for his birthday ;)

[URL="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0618551131?ie=UTF8&tag=ussmar-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0618551131"]Amazon.com: The Cheater's Guide to Baseball: Books: Derek Zumsteg[/URL][/quote]

I just took a look at that book. I may actually get it.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;301812]I'm getting jsarno this book for his birthday ;)

[url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0618551131?ie=UTF8&tag=ussmar-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0618551131]Amazon.com: The Cheater's Guide to Baseball: Books: Derek Zumsteg[/url][/QUOTE]

My b-day was in January...I didn't get anything from you at that time, so I'll accept this as a belated gift! :D

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[quote=diehardskin2982;301764]no i'm not discusted rules are ment to be broken[/quote]

That's what girls who poke holes in comdoms say.


He broke rules, he should pay the price.

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[QUOTE=Buster;302624]That's what girls who poke holes in comdoms say.


He broke rules, he should pay the price.[/QUOTE]

I agree.
But what price?

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Looks like Aaron's record is safe:

[url=http://www.theonion.com/content/node/61081?utm_source=onion_rss_daily]MLB Credits Hank Aaron With 50 Lost Home Runs | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/url]

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A lot of baseball players have cheated, but Bonds is one of a select few who has flat out lied in his involvement in this steroid case. Baseball would be justified in giving him a definate suspension right now for lying about his involvement and steroid usage.

If more evidence doesn't turn up, then once he serves his suspension, they'd pretty much have to reinstate him. But you never know what can happen, evidence wise.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;305767]Looks like Aaron's record is safe:

[url=http://www.theonion.com/content/node/61081?utm_source=onion_rss_daily]MLB Credits Hank Aaron With 50 Lost Home Runs | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/url][/QUOTE]

HAHA. That's great!

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[quote=SmootSmack;305783]HAHA. That's great![/quote]

Just a cover their ass publication to ensure that no roid user breaks the record. Come on now batting practice, preseason games and the all star game. Do those count for players today? If not then why do they count for him? I don't know because I don't follow baseball enough, but it sounds kinda shady to me. 50 is a nice round number too!

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[QUOTE=angryssg;305786]Just a cover their ass publication to ensure that no roid user breaks the record. Come on now batting practice, preseason games and the all star game. Do those count for players today? If not then why do they count for him? I don't know because I don't follow baseball enough, but it sounds kinda shady to me. 50 is a nice round number too![/QUOTE]

Um...what?

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why are u still up smootsmack... don't you have to get up for work?

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[quote=SmootSmack;305787]Um...what?[/quote]

You know what nevermind. I know no baseball, because I see no baseball and hear no baseball, therefore I shall speak no baseball.

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;305789]why are u still up smootsmack... don't you have to get up for work?[/QUOTE]

At some point yes I have to, I'm doing some work right now because I have a lot of meetings tomorrow

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[quote=SmootSmack;305792]At some point yes I have to, I'm doing some work right now because I have a lot of meetings tomorrow[/quote]
gotcha, just curious...

I usually don't see you on this late.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;305791]You know what nevermind. I know no baseball, because I see no baseball and hear no baseball, therefore I shall speak no baseball.[/QUOTE]

Do you know The Onion? Here's a sample of some of their other articles

[url=http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/white_on_white_violence]White-On-White Violence Claims Life Of Accounts Receivable Supervisor | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/url]

[url=http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nations_snowmen_march_against]Nation's Snowmen March Against Global Warming | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/url]

[url=http://www.theonion.com/content/node/56641]NASA Launches Probe To Inform Pluto Of Demotion | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/url]

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;305794]gotcha, just curious...

I usually don't see you on this late.[/QUOTE]

really? I'm almost always on this late

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[quote=SmootSmack;305795]Do you know The Onion? Here's a sample of some of their other articles

[URL="http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/white_on_white_violence"]White-On-White Violence Claims Life Of Accounts Receivable Supervisor | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/URL]

[URL="http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nations_snowmen_march_against"]Nation's Snowmen March Against Global Warming | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/URL]

[URL="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/56641"]NASA Launches Probe To Inform Pluto Of Demotion | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/URL][/quote]

Ok I was a little slow catching on at first. I am now officially deemed retarded. I can never again go back to active duty based on these findings. I am awarded no points and may God have mercy on my soul.

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[quote=SmootSmack;305796]really? I'm almost always on this late[/quote]
I guess I think it's later than it really is...

I've been up since 5:00am this morning, once I heard the birds I just couldn't go back to sleep, so I just got up and I've been doing school work all day.

My brain isn't really on the money at the moment.

I'm going to take a melatonin and ass out.