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[quote=Mattyk72;308777]How so?

Only once in his time as a Skin has he attended voluntary workouts. He's never held out, and he's never grumbled about his contract to the media. So why should we assume now it's his contact??[/quote]

He did grumble about his contract before but never held out. He wants big money and with Landry about to get paid he will not play without a new contract. I'm sure of it.

Re: Springs and Taylor miss OTAs
 

I don't ever recall Taylor himself saying anything publicly about his contract.

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[quote=JDALY27;308779]He did grumble about his contract before but never held out. He wants big money and with Landry about to get paid he will not play without a new contract. I'm sure of it.[/quote]


Whoa...he grumbled once, to the best of my knowledge. And that was when that idiot Kellen Winslow II supposedly opened his mouth about the deal Taylor received during their rookie season.

That being said, if Derrick Dockery can lock up a monster deal, no way in hell the Redskins will let Sean Taylor get remotely close to testing the market.

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Given his track record of not attending voluntary workouts, I just think it's silly to jump the gun at this point and assume it's due to his contract. It very well could be, but unless you know Taylor personally I don't think we're in the positon to draw any hard conclusions.

If he starts skipping out once things are mandatory, that's a different story.

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[quote=12thMan;308782]Whoa...he grumbled once, to the best of my knowledge. And that was when that idiot Kellen Winslow II supposedly opened his mouth about the deal Taylor received during their rookie season.

That being said, if Derrick Dockery can lock up a monster deal, no way in hell the Redskins will let Sean Taylor get remotely close to testing the market.[/quote]


Don't know what Dockery has to do with it.

Re: Springs and Taylor miss OTAs
 

[quote=Mattyk72;308783]Given his track record of not attending voluntary workouts, I just think it's silly to jump the gun at this point and assume it's due to his contract. It very well could be, but unless you know Taylor personally I don't think we're in the positon to draw any hard conclusions.

If he starts skipping out once things are mandatory, that's a different story.[/quote]

Agreed. I also don't understand the argument that ST would be upset about Landry getting "paid." Landry will get paid what is standard, that is less than 5 and more than 7. ST understands this- re: the Kellen fiasco. didn't we extend ST's deal?

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[quote=Mattyk72;308781]I don't ever recall Taylor himself saying anything publicly about his contract.[/quote]


That's what agents are for. Taylor doesn't say much to the media about anything. Its a known issue that needs to be resolved. We can pretend that he's happy with his contract but you would be fooling yourself.

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[quote=JDALY27;308784]Don't know what Dockery has to do with it.[/quote]


No, my point is if Dockery can get a great deal, how much more Sean Taylor. But I doubt it will get that far anway.

Re: Springs and Taylor miss OTAs
 

[quote=12thMan;308788]No, my point is if Dockery can get a great deal, how much more Sean Taylor. But I doubt it will get that far anway.[/quote]

I think Dock's deal was much more a product of a hot guard market as opposed to his quality. Traditionally, safeties aren't earning that kind of pay (as least i don't think so), but neither were guards. Point being, i don't think you can translate Dock's deal to ST.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;308793]I think Dock's deal was much more a product of a hot guard market as opposed to his quality. Traditionally, safeties aren't earning that kind of pay (as least i don't think so), but neither were guards. Point being, i don't think you can translate Dock's deal to ST.[/quote]

The best comparison we can probably make right now would be the deal that Roy Williams signed with Dallas last year.

4 years, $25M, bonus of $11M.

Salaries roughly went up about 30% this year, so we can project the current value of that deal to be $32.5M with a bonus of $14.4M.

Re: Springs and Taylor miss OTAs
 

[quote=BrunellMVP?;308793]I think Dock's deal was much more a product of a hot guard market as opposed to his quality. Traditionally, safeties aren't earning that kind of pay (as least i don't think so), but neither were guards. Point being, i don't think you can translate Dock's deal to ST.[/quote]


I'm not making a direct correlation in dollars, per se. But the fact that a guy like Dockery could command so much attention on the market, how much more could a game changer like Sean Taylor?

Actual dollars aside, teams would line up from here to Baltimore to get this guy on their team.

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4IwILlqwi4]YouTube - Sean Taylor Highlight Tape[/url]

dont u just love him

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[SIZE=2]
ASHBURN, Va. (AP) - Joe Gibbs said Thursday he has had "no contact" with Sean Taylor and that the team has "lost contact" with Shawn Springs, leaving the Washington Redskins coach in limbo as to the status of the two starters missing from the team's spring practices.
"Obviously, it's disappointing," Gibbs said as the team wrapped up its third day of workouts. "We want everybody here."
The two defensive backs were the only no-shows when the team reconvened Tuesday after a longer-than-usual offseason break. Veterans were informally given leeway to do their offseason conditioning away from Redskins Park during March and April, but Gibbs was expecting everyone to attend the May and June practices.
Under league rules, players aren't required to attend any practices until the three-day minicamp in mid-June. Taylor has routinely been dismissive of any workouts not deemed mandatory, although he did participate in most of the offseason program last year.
Taylor has also stayed away in the past to express his displeasure over his contract, an issue that could arise again following the Redskins' decision to select another safety, LSU's LaRon Landry, with the No. 6 overall pick in the draft. Landry's contract is expected to be bigger than Taylor's.
"With Sean Taylor, I've had no contact whatsoever," Gibbs said. "I'm not aware of anything there, so that's about all I can say about it."
Springs, the team's top cornerback, has been the subject of trade rumors because of a contract that will cost the Redskins $7.4 million against the salary cap this season.
Gibbs said he had spoken to Springs extensively during the offseason -- including a sit-down during the NFL meetings in Phoenix in March -- and that the team had decided to keep the cornerback on the team under the current contract.
"Up to two weeks ago, we thought we were in real good shape," Gibbs said. "The coaches were talking to him, but then all of a sudden we lost contact."
Neither player's agent responded to requests for comment.
Gibbs, meanwhile, would prefer to hear something from the missing players. Any word is better than no word at all.
"I think it helps when you know what the situation is," Gibbs said, "and they'll talk to you and say 'This is what I don't like.'"
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[quote=Grim21Reaper;308396]That is all well and good but today's league doesn't work that way. Drafting Landry wasn't exactly a "vote of confidence". He knows that he is one of the most popular players and arguably the best player on the team. He deserved more money and I don't blame him for using his leverage. He certainly won't have more leverage next year when Landry has a year in the system under his belt.[/quote]
You talk as if you have sat down with his agent and they told you this is why he is not here. If I'm correct he hasn't been to any of these as he likes to work out in FL. Remember when he got into that trouble a couple of years back it was the same thing. Your just making an issue out of something that you have no idea is even true.

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[quote=Twilbert07;308948]
[SIZE=2]ASHBURN, Va. (AP) - Joe Gibbs said Thursday he has had "no contact" with Sean Taylor and that the team has "lost contact" with Shawn Springs, leaving the Washington Redskins coach in limbo as to the status of the two starters missing from the team's spring practices.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]"Obviously, it's disappointing," Gibbs said as the team wrapped up its third day of workouts. "We want everybody here."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The two defensive backs were the only no-shows when the team reconvened Tuesday after a longer-than-usual offseason break. Veterans were informally given leeway to do their offseason conditioning away from Redskins Park during March and April, but Gibbs was expecting everyone to attend the May and June practices.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Under league rules, players aren't required to attend any practices until the three-day minicamp in mid-June. Taylor has routinely been dismissive of any workouts not deemed mandatory, although he did participate in most of the offseason program last year.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Taylor has also stayed away in the past to express his displeasure over his contract, an issue that could arise again following the Redskins' decision to select another safety, LSU's LaRon Landry, with the No. 6 overall pick in the draft. Landry's contract is expected to be bigger than Taylor's.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]"With Sean Taylor, I've had no contact whatsoever," Gibbs said. "I'm not aware of anything there, so that's about all I can say about it."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Springs, the team's top cornerback, has been the subject of trade rumors because of a contract that will cost the Redskins $7.4 million against the salary cap this season.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Gibbs said he had spoken to Springs extensively during the offseason -- including a sit-down during the NFL meetings in Phoenix in March -- and that the team had decided to keep the cornerback on the team under the current contract.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]"Up to two weeks ago, we thought we were in real good shape," Gibbs said. "The coaches were talking to him, but then all of a sudden we lost contact."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Neither player's agent responded to requests for comment.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Gibbs, meanwhile, would prefer to hear something from the missing players. Any word is better than no word at all.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]"I think it helps when you know what the situation is," Gibbs said, "and they'll talk to you and say 'This is what I don't like.'"[/SIZE]
[/quote]

Thanks for the information. If this is acurate its very disturbing.

Re: Springs and Taylor miss OTAs
 

[quote=firstdown;308950]You talk as if you have sat down with his agent and they told you this is why he is not here. If I'm correct he hasn't been to any of these as he likes to work out in FL. Remember when he got into that trouble a couple of years back it was the same thing. Your just making an issue out of something that you have no idea is even true.[/quote]

Do you know what deductive logic is?

Why are so many people on this site blind? I read the Post and listen to Sportstalk 980; those are my main sources and I saw this coming a mile away. In fact I predicted the possibility of a hold-out sometime last year (most likely because of the idiotic contract they gave Archuletta).

Take the blinders off people. This organization literally pisses money away on a regular basis. Sean Taylor is a universally known commodity who deserves more money than Adam Archuletta and Laron Landry. He knows that and his agent know that and I would even guess that Daniel Snyder knows that. He is a guy who will put people in the seats so he deserves to get paid. I don't know how else to explain this to those of you who think that everything is merry in Ashburn. He has not spoken to anyone in the organization in weeks. He must have forgotten that the team has OTAs...

Hooskins asked me why I am overreacting. I don't view it as overreacting to promote an extension for our best player. Now when we sign a fourth stringer like David Macklin and then people ask what are we going to do with Carlos Rogers and Sean Springs? That is overreacting.

Re: Springs and Taylor miss OTAs
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;308973]Do you know what deductive logic is?

Why are so many people on this site blind? I read the Post and listen to Sportstalk 980; those are my main sources and I saw this coming a mile away. In fact I predicted the possibility of a hold-out sometime last year (most likely because of the idiotic contract they gave Archuletta).

Take the blinders off people. This organization literally pisses money away on a regular basis. Sean Taylor is a universally known commodity who deserves more money than Adam Archuletta and Laron Landry. He knows that and his agent know that and I would even guess that Daniel Snyder knows that. He is a guy who will put people in the seats so he deserves to get paid. I don't know how else to explain this to those of you who think that everything is merry in Ashburn. He has not spoken to anyone in the organization in weeks. He must have forgotten that the team has OTAs...

Hooskins asked me why I am overreacting. I don't view it as overreacting to promote an extension for our best player. Now when we sign a fourth stringer like David Macklin and then people ask what are we going to do with Carlos Rogers and Sean Springs? That is overreacting.[/quote]

IMO he isn't our BEST player. Secondly, for what logical reason would you extend a player that has several years left on his contract at this point, with NICE INCENTIVES? To me that makes ZERO sense!

With ST you never know what your dealing with a mix between head case/ good player, yea of course he's a really good player. But it seems pretty clear he has some head issues.

Re: Springs and Taylor miss OTAs
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;308982]IMO he isn't our BEST player. Secondly, for what logical reason would you extend a player that has several years left on his contract at this point, with NICE INCENTIVES? To me that makes ZERO sense!

With ST you never know what your dealing with a mix between head case/ good player, yea of course he's a really good player. But it seems pretty clear he has some head issues.[/quote]

So anytime a player gets extended it makes zero sense?

Lavar was extended
Samuels was extended
Thomas was extended
Jansen was extended
Lloyd was extended
Portis was extended
Moss was extended

I am sure that I have left a few out.

Those are examples ON JUST ONE TEAM.

So it makes zero sense to extend someone, then why does it happen all the time?

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;309008]So anytime a player gets extended it makes zero sense?

Lavar was extended
Samuels was extended
Thomas was extended
Jansen was extended
Lloyd was extended
Portis was extended
Moss was extended

I am sure that I have left a few out.

Those are examples ON JUST ONE TEAM.

So it makes zero sense to extend someone, then why does it happen all the time?[/quote]


I said it makes ZERO sense to extend this (ST) player at this time, when he has several years left on his current contract WITH INCENTIVES.

What LOGICAL reason would they have to extend THIS PLAYER, NOT ALL these other names that have nothing to do with this thread?

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If he is pissed about his contract, I think he deserves an extension. I don't care what kinda message it sends. If it doesn't kill the cap, (which it probably wouldn't) it shouldn't be a problem. He's a very good player and if it can add years to his Redskins career, I'm all for it. I don't want to be worrying about his deal the way everyone is with Cooley (who should also be extended).

Dan Snyder won't miss any meals if he adds some more guaranteed money and base salary to Sean Taylor's contract.

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[quote=jdlea;309026]If he is pissed about his contract, I think he deserves an extension. I don't care what kinda message it sends. If it doesn't kill the cap, (which it probably wouldn't) it shouldn't be a problem. He's a very good player and if it can add years to his Redskins career, I'm all for it. I don't want to be worrying about his deal the way everyone is with Cooley (who should also be extended).

Dan Snyder won't miss any meals if he adds some more guaranteed money and base salary to Sean Taylor's contract.[/quote]


i agree 100%

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;309017]I said it makes ZERO sense to extend this (ST) player at this time, when he has several years left on his current contract WITH INCENTIVES.

What LOGICAL reason would they have to extend THIS PLAYER, NOT ALL these other names that have nothing to do with this thread?[/quote]

If this was a fiscally responsible team or a team that had enough talent to tell him to pound sand then I would agree with you, however, that isn't this team.

I don't understand why we shouldn't extend him. He is a productive player and he isn't making fair market value.

The Redskins have brought this on themselves. This is what happens when you give mediocre players big money and then try to shaft your studs. It doesn't work. Maybe they will finally learn and at the same time take care of one of their own.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;309037]The Redskins have brought this on themselves. This is what happens when you give mediocre players big money and then try to shaft your studs. It doesn't work. Maybe they will finally learn and at the same time take care of one of their own.[/QUOTE]

I think that's something that people aren't realizing. I don't have a problem with a team who spends big money on a guy who is valuable to your team and is proven in your system. However, when you have a guy who you could extend, who has been successful on your team, and then you go out and give some guy a record contract, you don't send a good message to the guys who are already in your locker room.

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yeah man sean taylor i cant believe that he wouldnt come to ota's seeing that he didnt come in 04 barely showed up in 05 and only came for 06 cause he had a charge pending against him he is so shelfish what an ass!!!!!!!!!!!

no wait he just wants to train in miami maybe laron landry is at his house playing co-op madden 2007 and hitting people with the hit stick

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I personally have always felt that Sean Taylor has not produced the kind of results on that warrant a [I]renegotiated contract [/I](as opposed to straight up extension). He has the potential to be a stud, but he's simply not in the same class as guys like Ed Reed or Brian Dawkins of old.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;309058]I personally have always felt that Sean Taylor has not produced the kind of results on that warrant a [I]renegotiated contract [/I](as opposed to straight up extension). He has the potential to be a stud, but he's simply not in the same class as guys like Ed Reed or Brian Dawkins of old.[/quote]

While I agree that he han't performed well enough to warrent top 5 safety salary, he has outplayed his original contract. IMO.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;309058]I personally have always felt that Sean Taylor has not produced the kind of results on that warrant a [I]renegotiated contract [/I](as opposed to straight up extension). He has the potential to be a stud, but he's simply not in the same class as guys like Ed Reed or Brian Dawkins of old.[/quote]


once again those guys have amazing defenses doing their jobs so they can stay in position and not having to do everything when you have help on d that is a great thing
think back to 2004 and 2005 when he had help he was playing great everyone wants to say that taylor regressed last year that is complete and utter [EMAIL="b!@#sh%"]b!@#sh%[/EMAIL]^!

taylor is still as good as he was in 04 in fact he is better so lay off him guys the guy is still nasty and the 2nd best free safety behind brian dawkins and ed reed plays strong saftey so what is the problem the entire defense sucked last year not taylor

look at carlos rogers has he lived up to being the number9 pickhell no has taylr lived up to being number 5 yes

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[quote=angryssg;309064]While I agree that he han't performed well enough to warrent top 5 safety salary, he has outplayed his original contract. IMO.[/quote]

He's definitely out played his current deal; If there is actually a way to quantify that.

In the end I think the Redskins will do the right thing.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;308973]Do you know what deductive logic is?

Why are so many people on this site blind? I read the Post and listen to Sportstalk 980; those are my main sources and I saw this coming a mile away. In fact I predicted the possibility of a hold-out sometime last year (most likely because of the idiotic contract they gave Archuletta).

Take the blinders off people. This organization literally pisses money away on a regular basis. Sean Taylor is a universally known commodity who deserves more money than Adam Archuletta and Laron Landry. He knows that and his agent know that and I would even guess that Daniel Snyder knows that. He is a guy who will put people in the seats so he deserves to get paid. I don't know how else to explain this to those of you who think that everything is merry in Ashburn. He has not spoken to anyone in the organization in weeks. He must have forgotten that the team has OTAs...

Hooskins asked me why I am overreacting. I don't view it as overreacting to promote an extension for our best player. Now when we sign a fourth stringer like David Macklin and then people ask what are we going to do with Carlos Rogers and Sean Springs? That is overreacting.[/quote]
Yes I know what that means but you are speaking as you know he is holding out and I don't care who you listen to they have know clue to what is going on. He has done this before, and did he hold out? No. he got in trouble with the law. LOL I'm just say before jumping to a conclusion which is all we could do at this point is to wait and see what happens. You say you read the post on this site but could you point us to the poster who has the inside information that ST is holding out. I'm not saying your wrong but maybe you should add a "I Think" or "in my opinion" rather than state something like its a fact.

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[quote=12thMan;309129]He's definitely out played his current deal; If there is actually a way to quantify that.

In the end I think the Redskins will do the right thing.[/quote]

They had better pay him like one of the best players on this team!

Re: Springs and Taylor miss OTAs
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;308973]Do you know what deductive logic is?

Why are so many people on this site blind? I read the Post and listen to Sportstalk 980; those are my main sources and I saw this coming a mile away. In fact I predicted the possibility of a hold-out sometime last year (most likely because of the idiotic contract they gave Archuletta).

Take the blinders off people. This organization literally pisses money away on a regular basis. Sean Taylor is a universally known commodity who deserves more money than Adam Archuletta and Laron Landry. He knows that and his agent know that and I would even guess that Daniel Snyder knows that. He is a guy who will put people in the seats so he deserves to get paid. I don't know how else to explain this to those of you who think that everything is merry in Ashburn. He has not spoken to anyone in the organization in weeks. He must have forgotten that the team has OTAs...

Hooskins asked me why I am overreacting. I don't view it as overreacting to promote an extension for our best player. Now when we sign a fourth stringer like David Macklin and then people ask what are we going to do with Carlos Rogers and Sean Springs? That is overreacting.[/quote]

He's NOT holding out right now. You're taking these rumors as fact.

Let's wait until the workouts become MANDATORY before we get our panties in a bunch. Until then, this is all just speculation, nothing more.

Sorry but you are overreacting right now. The OTA's are NOT mandatory, and he's only attended them once in his time here. Skipping these voluntary workouts are nothing new for him.

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[quote=JDALY27;309141]They had better pay him like one of the best players on this team![/quote]


No doubt. This kid would command franchise tag all day long if it was his time. Anyone thinking Taylor should keep his mouth shut because of a down year is simply fooling themselves.

That being said, the Skins can squash this whole thing before it get's more steam.

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[quote=12thMan;309144]No doubt. This kid would command franchise tag all day long if it was his time. Anyone thinking Taylor should keep his mouth shut because of a down year is simply fooling themselves.

That being said, the Skins can squash this whole thing before it get's more steam.[/quote]

I agree.

The only problem is that Taylor is always being noticed for his off the field attitude and problems. The man is a baby from what I have seen. Wish he would grow and become part of this team. We need him focused and gelling with the defense. I really think if Taylor handled the coaches and his off the field life like a true professional he would have gotten his big money contract by now.

Snyder may be hesitant of paying out the HUGE bucks for a guy that has not shown the type of leadership maturity needed.

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I look at it like this.

Until you hear Rosenhaus say something about Taylor wanting more money then it isn't a money thing.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;309165]I look at it like this.

Until you hear Rosenhaus say something about Taylor wanting more money then it isn't a money thing.[/quote]

Its money dude!

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Possibly so but I don't see it as detrimental until I see Drew or read where Drew talking about Taylor's contract. Until it get's to that point which is pretty much where you don't want it to get because it will not end too well, I think it's not that big of an issue. I do feel that he deserves more than 1 mil a year.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;309058]I personally have always felt that Sean Taylor has not produced the kind of results on that warrant a [I]renegotiated contract [/I](as opposed to straight up extension). He has the potential to be a stud, but he's simply not in the same class as guys like Ed Reed or Brian Dawkins of old.[/quote]


Sheriff, I agree with you 100%!

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It is a sad day when I almost completely agree with Sally Jenkins...

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/11/AR2007051102209.html]Sally Jenkins - Football That's Light on Contact - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;309531]It is a sad day when I almost completely agree with Sally Jenkins...

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/11/AR2007051102209.html"]Sally Jenkins - Football That's Light on Contact - washingtonpost.com[/URL][/quote]


I really hate to say it, but old salty Sal speaks the truth this time.