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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;315679]People will realize just how good Samuels is once we have to find his replacement. He's anchored the left side since his rookie year, if anything I think he's really underappreciated by Skins fans.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Samuels has had some rough times, like all players do. But he takes far too much criticism from Redskins fans.

As much as I hate to admit it, Jansen is the real culprit. I know he's battled through injuries the past few years. But it's time for him to regain his pre-injury form.

Samuels gets too much of the flack, while Jansen just gets excuses.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;315650]I think Gibbs puts a lot of value on him as a returner. [B]A great return man can singlehandedly take you from 8-8 to 10-6. [/B] Only a few other players are in a position to do that. I think there will have to be a re-evaluation after this season. Those big returns seem really valuable when a team is successful and he's due for a couple this year.[/QUOTE]

So we really should have been 3-13 last year?

Antwaan will have to do a whole lot more in order for me to keep him off the overrated list. Two or so big returns a season won't be enough to change that.

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[quote=Beemnseven;316696]So we really should have been 3-13 last year?

Antwaan will have to do a whole lot more in order for me to keep him off the overrated list. Two or so big returns a season won't be enough to change that.[/quote]

maybe 6 or 7 might.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;316679]So our best defensive player is our most overrated. Umm............ how to say this. I disagree with that for multiple reasons. Whenever an analyst talks about top safties or defensive backs, Sean Taylor is never included. So, for that sole purpose that would make him an underrated player not overrated. To be honest there isn't a player on our roseter in my mind that has so much hype that his performance to this point would be considered a disapointment. Yes, Antwaan Randle El didn't produce as much as we thought he would in the first year. But, hasn't every player and coach who has worked with Al Saunders (including coach saunders) said that it takes 2 years to fully understand his playbook, and from my understanding we are in year 2 of the saunders experiment so let's just wait and see what happens. The reason everyone would call Randle El would be called overrated is because everyone falsely expected him to come in here and instantly produce game changing play after game changing play. But, if you look at his stats for the 2006 season he tied a career high in TD receptions with 3. Plus, the reason he had a career high in reception yards in 2005 was because he was the second option in the passing game in pittsburgh in 2005. Let's be honest Randle El was brought in here and at the start of the seaon he would have been considered the 4th option in the passing game behind Moss, Lloyd, and Cooley. So in that retrospect he started at 4th and moved into 3rd by the end of the season so for a 3rd/4th option tweener I would say that he did pretty good. It really didn't help him that Mark Brunell admitted that he was skeptical to open the playbook and kept throwing dinks and dunks.

Oh by the way I still think our most underrated player on our roster is, and always has been Chris Cooley. He is the most productive player in the NFL on offense that never gets talked about. His career low in touchdowns is 6 and he just became a full blood tight end in 2006.[/QUOTE]

Who are you? Anyone else mildly suspicious as to how the tone and content of Quake's posts changed so radically in just 48 hours?

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[quote=SmootSmack;316703]Who are you? Anyone else mildly suspicious as to how the tone and content of Quake's posts changed so radically in just 48 hours?[/quote]


It is still me.[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon10.gif[/IMG] I am just ready to really add purposeful additions to discussions rather than just say simple uninteresting things such as "yeah i agree" and "you are right." To be honest I was boring myself acting like that and I was annoying everyone on the board including myself.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;316712]It is still me.[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon10.gif[/IMG] I am just ready to really add purposeful additions to discussions rather than just say simple uninteresting things such as "yeah i agree" and "you are right." To be honest I was boring myself acting like that and I was annoying everyone on the board including myself.[/quote]Welcome to the boards :tongue

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[quote=GTripp0012;315946]I think our offensive line is our most overrated unit. I mean people know our second receiver and DL situations are terrible, but there is a strong perception that we have one of the leagues best OLs. It's adequate, but Rabach is a league average player on a good day, same for Jansen, and our LG is a converted tackle. That doesn't bode all that well, even with great players like Samuels and Thomas on that line.[/quote]

Dude, u put it in wrong words.. Individually, for some yes u are right.. But when our o-line works tog, it is one of best o-line in NFL.. It's all because of teamwork..

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[quote=GridIron26;316738]Dude, u put it in wrong words.. Individually, for some yes u are right.. But when our o-line works tog, it is one of best o-line in NFL.. It's all because of teamwork..[/quote]The unit can never be better than the sum of its parts.

Good cohesion allows for us to get maximum production out of those front 5, but you're only as good as your weakest link.

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[quote=GTripp0012;316737]Welcome to the boards :tongue[/quote]


thank you sir! I appreciate it.

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If you really want to get into depth with the entire overrated aspect of the game you must really define the word. So what exactly do you consider overrated? A player whose contract vastly outweighs his talent. (Example: Adam Archuleta, Daniel Graham.) Or a player who has one really good season and everyone thinks he is the best ever when really we have seen stuff like this happen before. (Example: Ladell Betts, Asante Samuel.) Before you jump down my throat on the Asante Samuel thing let's really take a look at him. Okay he had 10 interception this season and he led the league in that category. (although he tied with champ bailey) Look back to 2001 when Anthony Henry pulled down the magic number of 10 interceptions and everyone thought he was going to be premiere cornerback in the league and is he? I think not so does that in retrospect make Asante Samuel overrated. Or three is overrated when everyone seems to talk about a player but they are extremely inconsistent. (example: Eli Manning) So which category does Antwaan Randle El fall under? If the answer is none then how can he be considered to be overrated? That is the question we need to ask ourselves as football fans. What is the real definition of being overrated? And when we are able to define that then, and only then will we be able to say who is overrated and who isn't. Without that then everything else is mere opinion.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;316584]Single season sample issues aside, the difference is that in theory, Young should get way better as a passer in his second season and beyond.

Vick appears to have gotten a really lucky first season based on his averages. Vick is just a horrible passer.[/QUOTE]

You're right...and at this point, so is VY. Funny all the love VY gets here...oddly enough, Vick had that love at one point too.
"YOU WANNA CROWN HIS ASS THEN CROWN HIM". Haha.
They both suck...sorry...they are both amazingly overrated. VY is nothing special minus his legs, and so is Vick. Right now, they are on identical paths.

Oh, and earthquake...when exactly did Vick have good receivers? I didn't miss your point at all...you said he was accurate, he is not. He is the definition of overrated.

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[quote=jsarno;316772]You're right...and at this point, so is VY. Funny all the love VY gets here...oddly enough, Vick had that love at one point too.
"YOU WANNA CROWN HIS ASS THEN CROWN HIM". Haha.
They both suck...sorry...they are both amazingly overrated. VY is nothing special minus his legs, and so is Vick. Right now, they are on identical paths.

Oh, and earthquake...when exactly did Vick have good receivers? I didn't miss your point at all...you said he was accurate, he is not. He is the definition of overrated.[/quote]


No no no I said he had better recievers than young did and he has been in the league since 2001. He should not have the same accuracy rating as a rookie QB who didnt even start the entire season.

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[quote=GridIron26;316738]Dude, u put it in wrong words.. Individually, for some yes u are right.. But when our o-line works tog, it is one of best o-line in NFL.. It's all because of teamwork..[/quote]


I think the reason GTRIPP said that our offensive line is overrated is not because of skill level. I think he was leaning more towards the consistency of the unit. And I see where he is coming from. They always seem to become a dominant line in the last five games of the season. But, seriously where is that dominance during the first 10-12 games of the season. We never seem to show that same drive and hear and determination during the majority of the season that we see towards the end when we go "balls to the wall" because we have nothing left to play for. That is what I think Gtripp meant.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;316839]I think the reason GTRIPP said that our offensive line is overrated is not because of skill level. I think he was leaning more towards the consistency of the unit. And I see where he is coming from. They always seem to become a dominant line in the last five games of the season. But, seriously where is that dominance during the first 10-12 games of the season. We never seem to show that same drive and hear and determination during the majority of the season that we see towards the end when we go "balls to the wall" because we have nothing left to play for. That is what I think Gtripp meant.[/quote]

Well, maybe Gtripp and u re right.. But we allowed few sacks, I think 2nd in NFL, I forgot exactly where we ranked.. And Betts wouldn't have had this much of yards if it weren't for our o-line..

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[quote=GridIron26;316842]Well, maybe Gtripp and u re right.. But we allowed few sacks, I think 2nd in NFL, I forgot exactly where we ranked.. And Betts wouldn't have had this much of yards if it weren't for our o-line..[/quote]


True but when did we start creating those holes for Betts. After we had been eliminated from playoff contention. (Or seriously close to it.) And that pass blocking dominance came after Jason Campbell came in and it was as much Campbell's ability to side step the rush and take off when need be as it was the pass blocking.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;316795]No no no I said he had better recievers than young did and he has been in the league since 2001. He should not have the same accuracy rating as a rookie QB who didnt even start the entire season.[/QUOTE]

OK, I know this is somewhat beating a dead horse cause you fully beleive VY is not overrated, and I clearly do...so we may just need to agree to disagree. But I thought it was worthy to point out Vick's WR's during his first full season:
Brian Finneran 56 - 838
Shawn Jefferson 27 - 394
Trevor Gaylor 25 - 385
Willie Jackson 18 - 199
Quentin McCord 11 - 253
That quite possibly could rank up there with one of the worst WR corps EVER!
I'm not saying VY had a GREAT WR corp, but I'd take Bennett / Givens (injured) Jones and Wade over what Vick had any day. Although I will agree it's pretty weak.
FYI- Young threw more INT's than TD's last year...for as bad as Vick is (and overrated) in a full season, Vick has never done that. That doesn't bode well for Young.
PS- While Young didn't play the [b]entire[/b] season, he did play in 15 games. Seriously...15 games.

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[quote=jsarno;316850]OK, I know this is somewhat beating a dead horse cause you fully beleive VY is not overrated, and I clearly do...so we may just need to agree to disagree. But I thought it was worthy to point out Vick's WR's during his first full season:
Brian Finneran 56 - 838
Shawn Jefferson 27 - 394
Trevor Gaylor 25 - 385
Willie Jackson 18 - 199
Quentin McCord 11 - 253
That quite possibly could rank up there with one of the worst WR corps EVER!
I'm not saying VY had a GREAT WR corp, but I'd take Bennett / Givens (injured) Jones and Wade over what Vick had any day. Although I will agree it's pretty weak.
FYI- Young threw more INT's than TD's last year...for as bad as Vick is (and overrated) in a full season, Vick has never done that. That doesn't bode well for Young.
PS- While Young didn't play the [B]entire[/B] season, he did play in 15 games. Seriously...15 games.[/quote]


But how many games did he start. And how many games did he win and it is not that I dont think that Young isnt overrated because right now he is. It is just that Vick is vastly more overrated than Young is. What VIck was expected to do in the pros is extremely higher than what Young was expected to do.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;316882]But how many games did he start. And how many games did he win and it is not that I dont think that Young isnt overrated because right now he is. It is just that Vick is vastly more overrated than Young is. What VIck was expected to do in the pros is extremely higher than what Young was expected to do.[/QUOTE]

Well, what you have in your favor with Young is the fact that he still has plenty of time to turn it around...Vick sucked when he came in, and he still sucks.
I will just say this, I have very little faith that Young will become a good QB, time will tell. So I will see you in a few years and say "I told you so" just like I did with all those people that thought Vick was something special.

PS- I have no problem saying I am wrong, and I hope that I am, cause I like to see scrambling QB's succeed.