Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=dgack;367154]First of all, you don't need to be the Patriots and be dominant on both sides of the ball to make the playoffs and make noise in a weak NFC. Chicago Bears anyone?




Oh, I guess you missed the week where he posted the second-best QB rating in the league. Or the numerous third-and-forever plays where his back was against the wall due to penalties and mistakes, and yet he came through despite the defense bringing the house. And, I guess, you figure the 9 dropped passes last week were all his fault.




You lose 90% of your O-line, and then half of the backups, and what do you expect? Frankly, two rushing TD's ought to stop the bitching. I'd rather see Portis rush 90 times for one yard and 3 TD's than peel off 200 yards and get blanked trying to get the scores.[/quote]What about keeping drives alive and giving your defense a rest when it is time for you to do something when you have the ball. So far that detroit game is the exception.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=Beemnseven;367161]I'm probably in the minority here, but for some reason I think we'd still have most of the same offensive problems even if our offensive line was completely healthy.

Portis isn't hitting on all cylinders, Betts hasn't really picked up the slack the way he did last season, and Moss is in a funk. Overall, there just doesn't seem to be much intensity with the players, chemistry between teammates, and general disorganization with coaching.

And no, I never expected us to be on the level of the Patriots.[/quote]
The nail has been hit squarely on the head.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=SouperMeister;367075]What is troubling is that watching this team is dare I say, like watching the Skins during the Norv Turner era try to give away a game. Let's count the ways:

1. Up 14-0 and having forced a change of possession on downs, Gibbs/Saunders dial up a screen pass on first down at mid-field that is intercepted, leading to a Cardinal score. Instead of seizing the game with a score before the half we let a team on the ropes back in the game - sound familiar?

2. Up 21-6 in the 3rd quarter, the D takes TWO personal fouls on 3rd down stops, all but handing the Cards another score to make it a one TD game again.

3. Ultra-conservative offensive playcalling when it's clear that the Cards are selling out to stop the run. I counted ONE Campbell pass attempt over 20 yards (to Thrash). That is not enough to get Adrian Wilson and gang to respect the pass. We are four years into Gibbs 2.0 and this offense still only scores 3 or more TDs less than one third of the time.

4. At one point, I believe that the Skins had about 10 consecutive runs on 1st down. Is that the kind of predictability that we're paying Saunders $2M to dial up?

Until Gibbs takes the handcuffs off of Campbell and trusts him to make plays downfield, the Skins will remain mired in mediocrity.[/QUOTE]

After the Giants game you said the offense was too conversative, after the Packers game you complained about Saunders running a reverse to Moss, and wondered why all the need for the trickery. Why not just run the bal straight ahead. And now you're back to wondering why we're running and not more unpredictable

Am I missing something here?

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=4mrusmc;367266]Sure there has been some progress, but if you could remember back in training camp when all the buzz was about how JC was going to be vastly improved. I for one don't see it, especially when our defense gives you back the ball and our offense does nothing but 3 and out. But, I will acknowledge the fact that those droped passes have hurt as well. This team is not that good of a team to just give back the ball to the oposition.[/quote]

You're just insane. Were it not for 8 dropped passes against GB and several long passes to receivers stopped on the 1, Jason would probably be sporting numbers similar to this:

Record: 5-1
Yds: 1200
TD's: 8
INT: 4

Even taking the *real* numbers, he's improved from last year in completion percentage and yards per attempt already, despite clearly being asked to do more in the offense (he's taken 2 more sacks already than he did last year, in one fewer game). Our running game is far less effective than it was last year, so offenses can key on Jason, yet he's still making smart plays (today's game notwithstanding) in most cases, and often he's putting the team on his back. All from a guy who hasn't started an entire season yet.

Say, how are those other young, highly touted QB's doing:

-- Vince Young
-- Philip Rivers
-- Alex Smith
-- Matt Leinart
-- Jay Cutler

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Guys need to remember that this kid is TWENTY FIVE freaking years old. At 13 games into his professional career, his numbers look like this:

Cmp: 210
Att:375
Pct: 56.0
Yd: 2,478
Avg: 6.6
TD: 15
INT: 11
Sck: 16
SckYd: 97
Rate: 77.4
RushAtt: 44
RushYd: 200
RushAvg: 4.5
RushTD: 1
Fum: 6
Lost: 1

Thirteen games into his career, Carson Palmer's numbers:
Cmp: 263
Att: 432
Pct: 60.9
Yd: 2,897
Avg: 6.7
TD: 18
INT: 18
Sck:25
SckYd: 178
Rate: 77.3
RushAtt: 18
RushYd: 47
RushAvg: 2.6
RushTD: 1
Fum: 2
Lost: 2

And just for comparison, here's Peyton Manning's first 16 games:
Cmp: 326
Att: 575
Pct: 56.7
Yd: 3,739
Avg: 6.5
TD: 26
INT: 28
Sck: 22
SckYd: 109
Rate: 71.2
RushAtt: 15
RushYd: 62
RushAvg: 4.1
RushTD: 0
Fum: 3
Lost: 1

So before you go all flipping out about Campbell, recognize that he's exactly where he needs to be. And in most measurable statistics, he's farther along than two of today's best QB's were at similar points in *their* NFL careers.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=dgack;367256]Not sure why this is so shocking. As we saw in the GB game, put the ball on the ground just once and you very well could be done for the day. With the defense playing the way it's been playing, getting up early then riding it out seems like a perfectly reasonable philosophy.

The trick is that we don't have an earth-moving front line anymore, so we can't run it down opposing teams' throats and control the clock in the second half. But turning to the air exclusively is way too risky.[/QUOTE]
The mentality of playing not to lose and being scared is why we've lost games where we held a 2nd half lead since 2004 than anyone else in the league.. You can't 'ride it out' in the NFL anymore.. Did you hear Belichick today? He put his starters back in because the Dolphins(!) were 1 possession away from a 14 point game.. When you have the lead, that's when you put the foot on the other team's throat and crush it not just hope to 'ride it out'..

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

Why don't we just compare young QB's and their teams:

Young + Titans 4-2
Smith + Forty Niners 2-4
Cutler + Denver 3-3
Leinart + Arizona 3-4

You can also include Rivers and Manning if you like

Rivers + Chargers 3-3
Manning + Giants 5-2
Romo + Cowboys 6-1

All this QB's were drafted ahead of Campbell except for Romo and their records are no better except for Romo and Manning who've been in the league one year longer.

I think Campbell is doing just fine for his experience level, the sky is the limit on his potential. He's still in the learning process, it would help if Moss would get of his funk. I think the funk is due to a hamstring strain.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=Paintrain;367302]The mentality of playing not to lose and being scared is why we've lost games where we held a 2nd half lead since 2004 than anyone else in the league.. You can't 'ride it out' in the NFL anymore.. Did you hear Belichick today? He put his starters back in because the Dolphins(!) were 1 possession away from a 14 point game.. When you have the lead, that's when you put the foot on the other team's throat and crush it not just hope to 'ride it out'..[/quote]

I agree with you in principle, I'm just saying that we're clearly not playing sharp football right now, and it's much easier for Belichick to go out there and air it out than it is for Joe in terms of talent available, health, and so on. I personally think we'd be 1-5 if we'd been taking more risks with 2nd half leads, rather than 6-0.

Besides, Belichick's a flaming asshole. :laughing2He was just running up the score, because he wants to stick that spygate draft pick fine up the entirety of the NFL's collective rectum.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=WillH;367071]Im sorry....WE'RE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL!!![/quote]


LOL...Yeah,why not dream big...Lets start with our divison and make the playoffs....Many of SB teams got there mostly on their strong defense, not offense as much. However, I'd like to see them both get a whole lot better in the coming weeks.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=jdlea;367140]Oh, so it must be the running backs who fell off, not the offensive line play. When a team loses one starter it's a problem, when you lose 2, that's a pretty big deal. Wade is getting starter money? SO WHAT!!!! (when you add exclamation points, apparently that makes you right) He's not a very good tackle and Fabini used to start, that doesn't mean anything either. It's a bad idea to add depth because you anticipate guys missing entire seasons. Neither one of them is very good, you can see that by watching them play the game.

Somehow, I think that the injured offensive linemen might be keeping the offense from producing the way they could.[/quote]

Ok, kill me. But i don't think the replacement OL hurt us that much. We couldn't have run against the Cards anway, and Gibbs would have tried anyway. Maybe we could have improved from 2.9 a carry to 3.2 yd a carry, but so what? Our running game makes a difference only when we pass imaginatively and mix it up successfully. We suck at vanilla. Somebody in charge is denying that reality. Cooley-- one reception (Holy Stupidity, Batman.)

To get ahead in a game seems to cue the wizards with the clipboards to shut down the offense so the other teams can catch us. For that reason alone, I think we'll play better offense against the Pats-- it not being likely we'll take a lead.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

Here's some thoughts on the offense. I actually feel it's a combination of things here, injuries, playcalling AND execution.

1. Injuries: we cannot run the ball. Both Gibbs and Saunders predicate much of their offensive philosophy on balance and running for a high average. Taking that aspect of the game away is a big blow. The big loss here is Thomas, IMO, but Rabach is a close second. And that's not to mention Jansen who, IMO, would have come on after a slow start and was always about the run game.

2. Reaction to the injuries leads to a modified game plan, no doubt. They still tried to establish the run, but failed. And they had lots of short drops, because Pucillo cannot make the line calls like Rabach (and can't block as well either). The D has been lights out, so a conservative game plan is not crazy. Plus, they aren't ready just to send JC back there like McNabb, if they ever will. First, he could get hurt with this line (did you see Wade on that sack? Wtf? Wake up!). Second, he could make the wrong read (as has been mentioned, he hasn't started a full season's worth of games yet!). So it's not nuts, again. My complaint is that I think JC is ready to step up, and I'd like to see that more. But I get the thinking here.

3. Execution: we were in 3rd and short a lot, and couldn't convert. It doesn't take a dang long bomb there. The lack of a run really hurts here. But my guess is that on most of those third and short "behind the line" throws were not the first reads. I could be wrong, but it seemed JC came off a longer route and threw underneath. That avoids the sack, and you HOPE someone can make a guy miss. We couldn't do that. So better reads, more time to throw, and a juke or two would help! And my guess is also that blocks are being missed--again, you can point to injury, but still. And finally, on the screen INT. JC is 6' 5" and failed to get it over the rusher. That screen was a nice call. We didn't execute.

The big stat for this O is 3rd down percentage. We do well when we convert--that opens the playbook, tires the D, and creates opportunities to take shots. We are having trouble with that, no doubt. All three factors are to blame.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=JWsleep;367321]Here's some thoughts on the offense. I actually feel it's a combination of things here, injuries, playcalling AND execution.

1. Injuries: we cannot run the ball. Both Gibbs and Saunders predicate much of their offensive philosophy on balance and running for a high average. Taking that aspect of the game away is a big blow. The big loss here is Thomas, IMO, but Rabach is a close second. And that's not to mention Jansen who, IMO, would have come on after a slow start and was always about the run game.

2. Reaction to the injuries leads to a modified game plan, no doubt. They still tried to establish the run, but failed. And they had lots of short drops, because Pucillo cannot make the line calls like Rabach (and can't block as well either). The D has been lights out, so a conservative game plan is not crazy. Plus, they aren't ready just to send JC back there like McNabb, if they ever will. First, he could get hurt with this line (did you see Wade on that sack? Wtf? Wake up!). Second, he could make the wrong read (as has been mentioned, he hasn't started a full season's worth of games yet!). So it's not nuts, again. My complaint is that I think JC is ready to step up, and I'd like to see that more. But I get the thinking here.

3. Execution: we were in 3rd and short a lot, and couldn't convert. It doesn't take a dang long bomb there. The lack of a run really hurts here. But my guess is that on most of those third and short "behind the line" throws were not the first reads. I could be wrong, but it seemed JC came off a longer route and threw underneath. That avoids the sack, and you HOPE someone can make a guy miss. We couldn't do that. So better reads, more time to throw, and a juke or two would help! And my guess is also that blocks are being missed--again, you can point to injury, but still. And finally, on the screen INT. JC is 6' 5" and failed to get it over the rusher. That screen was a nice call. We didn't execute.

The big stat for this O is 3rd down percentage. We do well when we convert--that opens the playbook, tires the D, and creates opportunities to take shots. We are having trouble with that, no doubt. All three factors are to blame.[/QUOTE]

Nice post. As for the question in the thread title, the simple answer is many fans don't know what to do if they're not complaining. How much you want to bet that if we win next week there will be threads such as "We Nearly Blew It" "How Could We Beat the Pats But Lose to The Packers" "Cut Frost Now" and so on. It's the nature of the beast.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

I pointed this out in the game thread, but it seems as if the fans are getting tired of being turned on and then turned off.

Turned on by games like Detroit and Philly. And then turned off by games like GB and today where they almost gave up a big lead.

I had never heard so many, loud noticeable boo's at FedEx like that so far this season. And not just booing for penalties and bad calls but booing at 3 and outs. I mean I can get pretty negative from time to time but even that made me feel a little disheartened.

I mean if I'm out there on the field playing or if I'm on the coaching staff, it's gotta hit you deep that your own fans are booing at you cause they start to lose faith in you. It must be pretty hard trying to ignore the voice of 85,000+.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

I'm not complaining.
We won.
And that is ok.
I do question our finishing moves.
Enjoy the W!!!
We'll be lucky to get one next week...

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;367323]Nice post. As for the question in the thread title, the simple answer is many fans don't know what to do if they're not complaining. How much you want to bet that if we win next week there will be threads such as "We Nearly Blew It" "How Could We Beat the Pats But Lose to The Packers" "Cut Frost Now" and so on. It's the nature of the beast.[/QUOTE]

I agree and I also think that there are a lot more fans on the path nowadays who exchew understanding the game and being realistic for being emotional and reactionary. I have serious wonders about the people who keep trying to say that our OLine being decimated shouldn't matter that much. It means everything and anyone who can't see that is either dumb or simply close minded. Either way they are basing their opinions on a lack of understanding.

I am not saying all this as an excuse. I am stating reality. Our Oline sucks right now. Not much we can do about it. Based on what we have available I think our offensive production is right in line with expectations and should get better as health increases.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

what is NOT to complain about? Again we are a field goal at the end to determine a win or a loss. luckily Rackers missed the damn thing. What we are doing in 2nd halfs is absolutely ridiculous. This staff better put something else together as the season goes on or we are going to be on the short stick of these games. The Giants and Packers games are going to come back and haunt us. We have too many tough games coming up and we are just not playing very good. The O line is horrible. I understand we have starters injured, but Wade was a 7 year starter, Fabini was also a starter. these guys are not scrubs that are career backups. They should be better than this. The NFL doesn't care or give effort points for teams dealing with injuries. The playcalling in the 2nd half again was horrible. We can not keep going run 1st and 2nd down and leaving ourselves 3rd and longs. I just dont understand how Moss has two catches, how we are throwing down the field to thrash?? Moss is our playmaker and he only gets two balls?? I dont even think they threw his way very much, no more than 5 times. Jason is playing well, this staff needs to allow him to move around, roll out make things happen. Open up the offense a little because the run game is awful. Usually you use the run to open up the pass, I believe we are going to have to pass to open up the run now. These games should not come down to a last 2nd field goal. We sit back there and let Warner pick us apart, when the entire NFL knows if he gets pressured he gets rattled. We blitzed 3 times yesterday, 3 freaking times, and I dont know if that can even be consitered a blitz. We sent 5! what happened to the aggressive style. IF warner can sit back there and pick us apart, what do you think Brady is going to do?

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

JWSleep and I laid out exactly what the offensive philosophy was yesterday. If you're are wondering why Moss only had 2 catches it is because we couldn't pass protect. Anyone remember when we tried to throw downfield under Spurrier and we had pass protection? Yeah we lost those games and our QBs were sore for the rest of the week.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=FRPLG;367367]I agree and I also think that there are a lot more fans on the path nowadays who exchew understanding the game and being realistic for being emotional and reactionary. I have serious wonders about the people who keep trying to say that our OLine being decimated shouldn't matter that much. It means everything and anyone who can't see that is either dumb or simply close minded. Either way they are basing their opinions on a lack of understanding.

I am not saying all this as an excuse. I am stating reality. Our Oline sucks right now. Not much we can do about it. Based on what we have available I think our offensive production is right in line with expectations and should get better as health increases.[/quote]

Post of the day right here, well said.

:goodjob:

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

Yes, our o-line is decimated. Yes, you're putting some new faces out there. I just question our decision making/gameplanning/adjustments/playcalling or whatever you want to call it. We tried to give the game away, by some ultra conservative play. How about a rollout? How about a shotgun (i don't remember seeing it although i can't be sure)? I just got the feeling we were in shutdown mode again. Our offense can't leave the D on the field as long as they did and expect to keep a good offense down.

No question our oline couldn't run block & couldn't protect that well. IMO there comes a time when you just gotta go for it a little bit and try to win the game. We didn't and escaped.

I am happy we got a W b/c we've lost a couple of games that we should have won. 4-2...not bad at all, but we're not going anywhere w/out any offense.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

i like skin fans better when we are losing and delusional.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=#56fanatic;367368]what is NOT to complain about? Again we are a field goal at the end to determine a win or a loss. luckily Rackers missed the damn thing. What we are doing in 2nd halfs is absolutely ridiculous. This staff better put something else together as the season goes on or we are going to be on the short stick of these games. The Giants and Packers games are going to come back and haunt us. We have too many tough games coming up and we are just not playing very good. The O line is horrible. I understand we have starters injured, but Wade was a 7 year starter, Fabini was also a starter. these guys are not scrubs that are career backups. They should be better than this. The NFL doesn't care or give effort points for teams dealing with injuries. The playcalling in the 2nd half again was horrible. We can not keep going run 1st and 2nd down and leaving ourselves 3rd and longs. I just dont understand how Moss has two catches, how we are throwing down the field to thrash?? Moss is our playmaker and he only gets two balls?? I dont even think they threw his way very much, no more than 5 times. Jason is playing well, this staff needs to allow him to move around, roll out make things happen. Open up the offense a little because the run game is awful. Usually you use the run to open up the pass, I believe we are going to have to pass to open up the run now. These games should not come down to a last 2nd field goal. We sit back there and let Warner pick us apart, when the entire NFL knows if he gets pressured he gets rattled. We blitzed 3 times yesterday, 3 freaking times, and I dont know if that can even be consitered a blitz. We sent 5! what happened to the aggressive style. IF warner can sit back there and pick us apart, what do you think Brady is going to do?[/quote]

I agree entirely w/the pass to set up the run. That's what we did v. Detroit & JC had a high comp. % & we ran in the 2nd half.

We're also gonna have to blitz Brady. Warner had too much time on some crucial plays, e.g. the 2 td passes.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

Use Shotgun 40% of the time, rollout 20% of the time, throw first to get a rythm to set up the run. Use shotgun draws, hurry up offense, quick counts....anything different.
No more reverses or anything that takes time behind the line.

Our line sucks...they better changes offensive philosophy now.
Campbell is good enough to sling it deep.

Yes, there will be a pick every game, but if you throw deep, with our D, it is essentially a punt anyways.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

Why all the complaining??? cause the fans are fed up with all the BS that is going on?? Gibbs needs to let saunders build his own gameplan that fits his playbook

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

Positives from yeterday.... We won and no one else got injuried as far as we know. If Rabach and the other O-linemen can get healthier before next week, we should be better all the way around. I am not saying the Skins will win, but they should be better. By the way, the D is great, you just can't leave them out there all day and expect them to shut down the other team for 60 minutes. They have to have some help.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

It's sad....I think we have the personnel to make it a game this sunday....but I'm afraid we just don't have the coaching.

IF we switch things up....we have a shot....if we don't....we will play ourselves right out of the game

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

You CANNOT throw deep if you can't pass protect.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=skinsnut;367439]Use Shotgun 40% of the time, rollout 20% of the time, throw first to get a rythm to set up the run. Use shotgun draws, hurry up offense, quick counts....anything different.
No more reverses or anything that takes time behind the line.

Our line sucks...they better changes offensive philosophy now.
Campbell is good enough to sling it deep.

Yes, there will be a pick every game, but if you throw deep, with our D, it is essentially a punt anyways.[/quote]

This is what I'm talking about!!!! We don't do any of this. Ever!!!!!

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=skinsnut;367439]Use Shotgun 40% of the time[/quote]
Don't know why we didn't do this more but maybe it was because we had a backup center in there. Anyways I always love the "Use the shotgun to counteract our bad pass protection" scheme. It doesn't work as well as many would like to believe. It allows the QB to be set earlier but it doesn't give him any more time than dropping back.

[quote]
rollout 20% of the time,
[/quote]
This still requires the same amount of pass protection, just in a different matter. Our guys had trouble blocking the guy right in front of them. Why rolling out on a regular basis and requiring them to block in space would help is beyond me.

[quote]
throw first to get a rythm to set up the run.
[/quote]
Yes throw first to the 2 WR we have down field right in the middle of the Cover 2 they are running. That makes sense. Don't do anything to bring the safeties up and require the LBs to stay out of coverage. That wouldn't make a lick of sense. Let me get on the phone and call the other 31 teams and make sure they know this new found way to achieve offensive success.

[quote]
Use shotgun draws, hurry up offense, quick counts....anything different.
[/quote]
Gimmicks do not an offense make.

[quote]
No more reverses or anything that takes time behind the line.
[/quote]
Agreed

[quote]
Our line sucks...they better changes offensive philosophy now.
[/quote]
It has. This is what it has changed to.

[quote]
Campbell is good enough to sling it deep.
[/quote]
With 2 guys haning on him every time? I didn't know JC stood for Jesus Christ because he is who we'd need in there at QB in that case.

[quote]
Yes, there will be a pick every game, but if you throw deep, with our D, it is essentially a punt anyways.[/QUOTE]

Try 3 picks and 2 fumbles. And a loss.


You ideas are simple minded and wont work.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

So what is your suggestion????? it sounds like your suggestion is sit back and get annihilated by the patriots

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

I've honestly never seen so much whining after a win and a 4-2 start.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;367465]So what is your suggestion????? it sounds like your suggestion is sit back and get annihilated by the patriots[/QUOTE]

My suggestion is that we are banged up and that until our OLine is healthier then we are going to have to minmize the risks we take offensively. Taking risks with a good offense makes a lot more sense than taking risks with one that can't execute.

We need to:

- Get healthy first and foremost
- Catch the ball. If we catch one of those balls we dropped against GB we probably win and if Cooley or Thrash catches one they dropped yesterday then the game is less nail biting.
- Continue to do what we can to protect the passer. Letting him get clobbered will lose us games more than anything we are doing right now. It will.
- I like the ideas of using some more rollouts/moving pockets on occassion but it isn't the only answer. Using them once or twice a drive is enough.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;367469]I've honestly never seen so much whining after a win and a 4-2 start.[/QUOTE]

No kidding. I don't get it. I mean it seems we all agree the offense is sucking but I don't get the attacks. Looking realitically at the situation it is obvious to me and just about anyone who understands the game even a bit that this is what we CAN DO on offense right now. There isn't some magic "Our line sucks" offensive strategy that will allow us to score 30 points a game. If there was then everyone would use it already.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

Look at it this way.

An offense is a machine. Lots of moving parts working together for a common goal. One part starts malfunctioning and the rest of the parts probably hide it in most cases. Another and maybe some issues start showing up. If the wrong part breaks then the problems become obvious.

The OLine is the engine of this machine. When it starts breaking down it doesn't matter how good anyone else is because you simply can't operate with every play breaking down in a rushed jailhouse break. Our OLine is broken right now. If you want to attack depth I can that argument way more but don't attack the philosophy because we are cornered.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;367469]I've honestly never seen so much whining after a win and a 4-2 start.[/quote]

Exactly. That is not why I started this post. I just hope all these people aren't the same ones who change their stance every single week (I know they are). We are 4-2 and if the playoffs started today we would be in them so everyone needs to sit back calm down and realize we WON the game we DID NOT LOSE.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=skinsnut;367439]Use Shotgun 40% of the time, rollout 20% of the time, throw first to get a rythm to set up the run. Use shotgun draws, hurry up offense, quick counts....anything different.
No more reverses or anything that takes time behind the line.

Our line sucks...they better changes offensive philosophy now.
Campbell is good enough to sling it deep.

Yes, there will be a pick every game, but if you throw deep, with our D, it is essentially a punt anyways.[/quote]
Wow and to think your not even a coach!! You must have been over looked!

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=firstdown;367490]Wow and to think your not even a coach!! You must have been over looked![/quote]

Hey, he probably runs his own Madden franchise. Doesn't that count for something?

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;367492]Hey, he probably runs his own Madden franchise. Doesn't that count for something?[/quote]
Sorry, I didn't think of that. He might play fantasy football.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

Why all the complaining?

You aren't serious are you? After an offensive performance like that and you don't understand why people might complain. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled we won the game as I'm sure everyone is, BUT...Hell, even the Skins offensive players will tell you they are embarrassed by the way the offense played yesterday. Something has to give, and I won't put it all on the banged up offensive line. There's more to it than that.

We have a great defense, but a couple more games like this and the defense will be worn out, then we'll have no offense or defense. I mean it's like the defense is playing two games in one every week as much as they are on the field.

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Holy S.., even crybaby "Bram" is defending the Skins, and their performance (considering the O line). My world has once again spun off it's axis

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;367504]Why all the complaining?

You aren't serious are you? After an offensive performance like that and you don't understand why people might complain. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled we won the game as I'm sure everyone is, BUT...Hell, even the Skins offensive players will tell you they are embarrassed by the way the offense played yesterday. Something has to give, and I won't put it all on the banged up offensive line. There's more to it than that.

We have a great defense, but a couple more games like this and the defense will be worn out, then we'll have no offense or defense. I mean it's like the defense is playing two games in one every week as much as they are on the field.[/quote]

I am serious. Everyone complains not matter what happens. We were 5-11 last year, and now we complain when we WIN a game. Nobody gives the other team credit at all. They played hard shut us down in the second half. The consistently blitzed up the Middle and Campbell had no time to throw the ball. The coaches knew that and tried to catch them in a blitz, it didn't work. We didn't play they way we can but we are still 4-2.

Our QB is the real deal our Defense is real good and if not for two STUPID penalties the Cardinals would have never been close. Sure you can make a case about the play calling but how do you know what they called? They could have been trying to open it up Campbell had no time so he checked down.

People complain about things they don't even understand and it is annoying, you would think the fact we WON the game would help but it doesn't. These are all the same people who wrote us off before the season and now think we should be blowing out everyone we play. It is clear our Oline is struggling and to win without argulably the most important Oline man against a good Defense should make people happy.

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Most of these attacks are based on who we ALMOST lost to and how we ALMOST lost the game. This way of losing games has become a trend with this team over the last 4 years. The offense is anemic. Everyone was to say the Oline sucks, which is absolutely does, but it should not be the excuse for everything. The guys we have playing have been starters in this league. quality starters. Rabach probably hurt more than any of the others being out yesterday, but the playcalling in the 2nd half is and has been not very good. Teams seem to be able to adjust a couple of things on the defensive side to stop us completely in out tracks. We simply make no adjustments at all, we continue to do the same things week in and week out. I think most of us here believe we should be able to beat these teams we are suppose to beat, but beat them handily and we are not. We didn't take advantage of a beat up Warner yesterday, when we knew they were one dimentional at the end of the game. GW use to dial up some blitz's that would crush teams when they did that. but that is not what he wants to do this year. These games should not be nail biters if we are going to consider ourselves a playoff team. Teams coming up on the schedule will absolutely bury us and it wont be close. Dallas and the D is coming on strong, G-men D is playing as good as any, Tampa's D. plus their offenses are strong. Yes winning the game is great, 4-2 is great, but for the life of me I can't get excited knowing who we have coming up and knowing we are just not very good right now.