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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;376666]Portis wasn't a huge blow as Betts came on nicely. The QB situation had Gibbs all over it as he refused to put JC in to salvage the season. Defense collapsed as it was on the field for most of the game due to a horrid passing attack due to MB starting as a result of Gibbs obstinance.[/QUOTE]

The loss of Clinton Portis last year WAS a huge blow for us. Don't be stupid. I realize Betts had a good year last year, but he is NOT the pass blocker that Clinton Portis is. The team had to learn a new offense last year and putting Jason Campbell in earlier in the season wouldn't have been beneficial for us.

Anyways, why are you even arguing about last season? It's a moot point. Besides, I could argue the season before that.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;376519]You got it wrong!! It's time for Gregg Williams to step down he's the most over rated Defensive Co-ordinator.[/quote]

Overrated?? I don't think so, in fact if it wasn't for him we would have losing season..

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[QUOTE=chrisl4064;376668]well it could if its too early, like in the third. then forcing you to decide in the fourth how to deal with the remaining time with 2 time outs.

or how about when we didnt have any timeouts to challenge the CAUGHT ball by mccardell i believe. i understand that had nothing to do with clock management, but the first part does.[/QUOTE]

It wouldn't have been reversed anyway, so that's a moot point. Why are you not going to call time out on a play that isn't going to work? Since Saunders's offense does not audible, you have to call timeout. It happens with every team. That has nothing to do with clock management. In fact the Redskins offense today was almost in a no huddle for much of the game anyway, so complaining about clock management is illogical.

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im not complaining, i was just trying to point out how using timeouts early could effect clock management towards the end of a game

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[quote=skinsguy;376684]It wouldn't have been reversed anyway, so that's a moot point. Why are you not going to call time out on a play that isn't going to work? Since Saunders's offense does not audible, you have to call timeout. It happens with every team. That has nothing to do with clock management. In fact the Redskins offense today was almost in a no huddle for much of the game anyway, so complaining about clock management is illogical.[/quote]
Speaking of which, I liked the no huddle or sugar huddle they ran most of the time. I think JC sometimes overthinks and this helps him calm down and just play. Of course, it did leave plenty of clock at the end of the game....

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[QUOTE=rypper11;376687]Speaking of which, I liked the no huddle or sugar huddle they ran most of the time. I think JC sometimes overthinks and this helps him calm down and just play. Of course, it did leave plenty of clock at the end of the game....[/QUOTE]

I agree. Campbell seems to get into a better rhythm when he's in hurry up mode. I'm hoping this is something the offense will start doing more of, because it seemed to wear the Eagles defense down and opened up our running game as well.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;376643]Exactly...let's look at this objectively. We lost Thomas / Jansen / Rogers and Moss for most games, and Taylor here lately...all of whom are pro bowl caliber players. We've lost more than that, but those are HUGE losses that are extremely difficult to overcome.
I don't like the way is conservative most of the time, but he's gotten better and he is in no way the problem here...he's done a good job with what he's had to work with.[/QUOTE]

Rogers is a pro-bowl caliber player? Really? Jansen too? Maybe 4-5 years ago.

Injuries are an excuse. The O-line manned up today and runs to the right side of the line was working just fine with Fabini and Wade playing. What about Thrash playing a gem of a game with Moss out? No injury excuses for blowing this one. We put ourselves in a positon to win and self destructed - not because of injury, but because of dumb penalties, poor execution, and bad playcalls in the 4th quarter.

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[QUOTE=hurrykaine;376693]Rogers is a pro-bowl caliber player? Really? Jansen too? Maybe 4-5 years ago.

Injuries are an excuse. The O-line manned up today and runs to the right side of the line was working just fine with Fabini and Wade playing. What about Thrash playing a gem of a game with Moss out? No injury excuses for blowing this one. We put ourselves in a positon to win and self destructed - not because of injury, but because of dumb penalties, poor execution, and bad playcalls in the 4th quarter.[/QUOTE]

No, but Marcus Washington and Sean Taylor are Pro Bowlers and losing Rogers for the season certainly didn't help. Injuries are not an excuse, they are one of the reasons why slightly below average and slighty above average teams win or lose games. We are a pretty good team when healthy, and an average team when riddled with injuries. Great teams can overcome significant injuries, but (as we all probably agree) we are not a great team.

To ignore injuries to Washington, Taylor, Rogers, Moss, Jansen, Thomas (3 of whom are Pro Bowlers) is a little unreasonable IMO.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;376699]No, but Marcus Washington and Sean Taylor are Pro Bowlers and losing Rogers for the season certainly didn't help. Injuries are not an excuse, they are one of the reasons why slightly below average and slighty above average teams win or lose games. We are a pretty good team when healthy, and an average team when riddled with injuries. Great teams can overcome significant injuries, but (as we all probably agree) we are not a great team.

To ignore injuries to Washington, Taylor, Rogers, Moss, Jansen, Thomas (3 of whom are Pro Bowlers) is a little unreasonable IMO.[/QUOTE]

IMO, this game was winnable despite the aforementioned injuries.

I'm personally thrilled that we are currently 5-4, btw. However, when Gibbs 2.0 leaves after 3 pi$$ poor seasons and one playoff appearance, what will your assessment be?

Aw, he was unlucky cuz our star players kept getting injured season after season?

Gibbs came here to restore us to respectability and get us back to winning. If we don't make the playoffs this year, he will have failed and shouldn't be allowed to use injuries as an excuse.

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[quote=hurrykaine;376530]LOL...yes the customary "Gibbs must go" thread after a loss. I'm with you dude - he should've gone at the end of last year.

The old man sucks, period. He'll step down at the end of the season. Saunders and Greg Williams stink too - neither would make a good head coach. Williams' scheme can't stop a 3rd and 21? All this money invested in big name coaches, and not one credible successor to Gibbs - unbelievable![/quote]

we did stop them on 3rd and 21 its just on 4th and less than 1 we didnt.

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All,

Look at the Cowboys last year, Parcells stepped down, tell me he's not kicking himself today. He built that team, actually the Cowboys were in better shape than the Skins when he took over. Look at them a year later, do I think the Skins could do this next year? The answer is yes.

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[QUOTE=Darrell_Green_28;376709]we did stop them on 3rd and 21 its just on 4th and less than 1 we didnt.[/QUOTE]

True - did we need to give up 20.87 of those 21 yards though?

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[QUOTE=hurrykaine;376708]IMO, this game was winnable despite the aforementioned injuries.

I'm personally thrilled that we are currently 5-4, btw. However, when Gibbs 2.0 leaves after 3 pi$$ poor seasons and one playoff appearance, what will your assessment be?

Aw, he was unlucky cuz our star players kept getting injured season after season?

Gibbs came here to restore us to respectability and get us back to winning. If we don't make the playoffs this year, he will have failed and shouldn't be allowed to use injuries as an excuse.[/QUOTE]

What will your assessment be when this team finishes the season strong at 10-6, completely turning things around from what it was a year ago? As a Redskins fan, I would assume you'd hope for the best and be supportive of the team.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;376713]What will your assessment be when this team finishes the season strong at 10-6, completely turning things around from what it was a year ago? As a Redskins fan, I would assume you'd hope for the best and be supportive of the team.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely - go into every game hoping we win. Faith has been destroyed by 3.5 years of Gibbs 2.0, though.

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[quote=hurrykaine;376714]Absolutely - go into every game hoping we win. Faith has been destroyed by 3.5 years of Gibbs 2.0, though.[/quote]

If it's been destroyed, it wasn't really faith.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;376716]If it's been destroyed, it wasn't really faith.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. LOL. Still the only team I root for.

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[QUOTE=hurrykaine;376714]Absolutely - go into every game hoping we win. Faith has been destroyed by 3.5 years of Gibbs 2.0, though.[/QUOTE]

That doesn't make any sense, though. How has faith been destroyed when Gibbs has taken this team to the playoffs and advanced in the playoffs in his second tenure? That first year doesn't count, as that was a rebuilding year. I understand last year was a big disappointment, but we're still above .500 with seven games left in this season. I understand if we finish this season at 6-10, but there is still a lot of season to go. Even if we lose against the Cowboys next week, we still have a shot at making a good run toward the end of the year.

I'd say you're just too impatient and probably never had any faith in this team to begin with.

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hahaha here come the "joee must go" threads.

next week "joe needs an extension" threads.

im sooooo sick of this shit

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;376719]That doesn't make any sense, though. How has faith been destroyed when Gibbs has taken this team to the playoffs and advanced in the playoffs in his second tenure? That first year doesn't count, as that was a rebuilding year. I understand last year was a big disappointment, but we're still above .500 with seven games left in this season. I understand if we finish this season at 6-10, but there is still a lot of season to go. Even if we lose against the Cowboys next week, we still have a shot at making a good run toward the end of the year.

I'd say you're just too impatient and probably never had any faith in this team to begin with.[/QUOTE]

There we go....just as I predicted some 67 posts back...deflect the focus from the theme of the thread to questioning a forum member's fanhood. I must also mention my character sucks, I cheat on my wife, don't believe in Jesus, etc.

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[quote=hurrykaine;376722]There we go....just as I predicted some 67 posts back...deflect the focus from the theme of the thread to questioning a forum member's fanhood. I must also mention my character sucks, I cheat on my wife, don't believe in Jesus, etc.[/quote]


We already assumed all those things were the case.

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[QUOTE=hurrykaine;376722]There we go....just as I predicted some 67 posts back...deflect the focus from the theme of the thread to questioning a forum member's fanhood. I must also mention my character sucks, I cheat on my wife, don't believe in Jesus, etc.[/QUOTE]

Well if all that is true, then you just suck as a person in general.

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We don't need to scream for Gibb's job at this point. He is not getting the job done and everybody knows it. Let the season play out and he will probably step down. Do you really thing this team is going to beat the Cowboys even once. Nothing has changed with this team since Snyder took over. A lot of it isn't Gibb's fault. But there are some consistent issues that haven't gone away since he's been here. Good game for Jason Campbell today!

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[QUOTE=kdwalker@walker-supply.co;376726]We don't need to scream for Gibb's job at this point. He is not getting the job done and everybody knows it. Let the season play out and he will probably step down. Do you really thing this team is going to beat the Cowboys even once. Nothing has changed with this team since Snyder took over. A lot of it isn't Gibb's fault. But there are some consistent issues that haven't gone away since he's been here. Good game for Jason Campbell today![/QUOTE]

Not sure everyone knows that Gibbs isn't getting the job done in his second stint. That said - in complete agreement - the old man will step down at the end of a playoffless season.

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BS imo after a game no trust or belief, I am dissappointed to but wasn't everyone calling for Andy Reid and McNabb's head last week in Philly. Fair weather fans!!!!

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Thats the best thing about this forum, your absolutely in no way allowed to question anything that has to do with the Redskins. If you dont drink the Kool-aid your an idiot who has no idea what your talking about, your not allowed to speak out at all against the coaching staff. There will be no "extend Joe Gibbs contract" threads next week because we are going to get absolutely demolished by Dallas. If Sean Taylor cant go and Gregg Williams decides to play the same dumb ass zone defense that has allowed teams to take advantage of the underneath plays were going to be embarrassed. We needed to win this game badly, if you cant see that than your Burgundy and gold glasses are on a little to tight. Joe Gibbs not only cost us this game but he cost us the Giants game as well. We won the Cardinals,Jets and Dolphins game by pure luck. Conservative play gets you nowhere in the NFL and if you think were just one or two plays away from being a great team in the NFC you are sadly mistaken.

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[quote=skinsfan0201;376728]BS imo after a game no trust or belief, I am dissappointed to but wasn't everyone calling for Andy Reid and McNabb's head last week in Philly. Fair weather fans!!!![/quote]

Fair weather fans, are you friggin kidding me. I have watched this team underachieve for the last 15 years, I think we deserve a little more than 2 playoff appearences since 1992. If they were calling for Andy Reid and McNabbs head last week and they were able to come to FedEx field and beat the Redskins at home, what does that say about the Redskins?

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[QUOTE=hurrykaine;376727]Not sure everyone knows that Gibbs isn't getting the job done in his second stint. That said - in complete agreement - the old man will step down at the end of a playoffless season.[/QUOTE]

Yeah and next year you'll be whining about who our coach will be in 2009. They should start a new web site for fans like you and others that want Gibbs gone. WHINERSPATH.com

Maybe we should separate this website for real fans, not fair weather fans. Either you support the Redskins thru thick or thin or quit being a Redskins fan.

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[quote]Yeah and next year you'll be whining about who our coach will be in 2009. They should start a new web site for fans like you and others that want Gibbs gone. WHINERSPATH.com[/quote]
They should open one for you too: livinginthepast.com

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[QUOTE=GiantsSuck703;376729][B]Thats the best thing about this forum, your absolutely in no way allowed to question anything that has to do with the Redskins. [/B] If you dont drink the Kool-aid your an idiot who has no idea what your talking about, your not allowed to speak out at all against the coaching staff. There will be no "extend Joe Gibbs contract" threads next week because we are going to get absolutely demolished by Dallas. If Sean Taylor cant go and Gregg Williams decides to play the same dumb ass zone defense that has allowed teams to take advantage of the underneath plays were going to be embarrassed. We needed to win this game badly, if you cant see that than your Burgundy and gold glasses are on a little to tight. Joe Gibbs not only cost us this game but he cost us the Giants game as well. [B] We won the Cardinals,Jets and Dolphins game by pure luck. [/B] Conservative play gets you nowhere in the NFL and if you think were just one or two plays away from being a great team in the NFC you are sadly mistaken.[/QUOTE]

There are people who recognize the good and bad aspects of this team. There are people who know we are not horrible or great, but somewhere in between. But when you make statements like the above one, you are opening yourself up to harsh attacks.

I find it interesting that the anti-Kool Aid crowd thinks that they are somehow more perceptive than the Kool-Aid drinkers. Wrong. They are just as delusional as some of the Kool-Aid drinkers, they just happen to go to the other extreme. The Kool-Aid crowd supposedly thinks we are a great team and the anti-Kool Aid crowd acts like we are 0-9. It's kind of sad and funny at the same time.

By the way, if you like the forum good. If you don't like the forum, do something different. Why bitch about the site but continue to post here? That's about as dumb as whining about a team constantly, talking about how painful it is to watch the team, cursing every coach and player on the team, but continuing to watch them. I swear that many members of the anti-Kool aid crowd are closet S&M, leather-wearing slaves who just want another self-inflicted beating.

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To ask for Gibbs to step down midseason is about as ignorant of a suggestion as I can think of. That being said, we're clearly a poorly coached team. I know SmootSmack always reverts back to blaming the players for miscues - dumb penalties, drops, etc. But when it happens week after week, and we blow games repeatedly, that's a symptom of the coaching staff. No question.

We couldn't come up with a play call to get us a TD when we had 7 chances inside the 10 yard line. We carve them up all day and then we totally stall? Gibbs HAS TO BE taking over playcalling inside the red zone. We waste a timeout early in the 3rd on 4th & 1 only to kick a FG anyway? That timeout could have challenged McCardell's catch late (ruled incomplete) in the 4th. The list goes on.

The overall lack of fire in all aspects, the rapidly collapsing defense, the lack of fundamentals and inability to close- that comes down to coaching. I don't give a shit if we sing koombaya in the locker room and if we "fight our guts out." I want to win. We've been griping about allowing big plays, dumb penalties, bad play calling, poor clock management, and bad offense since the 1st game of Gibbs' return.

Bottom line, Joe Gibbs part 2 isn't working. It's just not. We're 3 1/2 years in and have all the same problems we've had since he took over. Nothing is getting better (except our QB). Remember folks, aside from that 5 game run in '05, we've been lower tier team his entire second tenure. You can never go home again.

IMO this year's Redskins team is on the low end of average.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;376699]No, but Marcus Washington and Sean Taylor are Pro Bowlers and losing Rogers for the season certainly didn't help. Injuries are not an excuse, they are one of the reasons why slightly below average and slighty above average teams win or lose games. We are a pretty good team when healthy, and an average team when riddled with injuries. [B]Great teams can overcome significant injuries, but (as we all probably agree) we are not a great team.[/B]

To ignore injuries to Washington, Taylor, Rogers, Moss, Jansen, Thomas (3 of whom are Pro Bowlers) is a little unreasonable IMO.[/QUOTE]

Or maybe great teams don't keep players who get hurt alot. Of those you mention two have been constantly hurt for two full years (Washington and Moss). Jansen has struggled to stay healthy the last two years. Starters who consistently get owies and disrupt the team's effectiveness are a liability.

But I'm kind of sick of the injury excuse like a lot of other folks around here. Dallas hasn't had it's secondary healthy until today and when has their defense collapsed? The bills have faced at least as bad an injury situation, and they have less talent, but we're basically on the same level. I'd say they overachieved, Gibbs' Skins have badly underachieved.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;376732]Yeah and next year you'll be whining about who our coach will be in 2009. They should start a new web site for fans like you and others that want Gibbs gone. WHINERSPATH.com

Maybe we should separate this website for real fans, not fair weather fans. Either you support the Redskins thru thick or thin or quit being a Redskins fan.[/quote]

What the fuck? are you kidding me. You support them thru think or thin or quit being a redskins fan, get outta here. I have been a die hard Skins fan my entire life, I cant even remember the last time I missed a game and My whole week is ruined when they lose, but what your saying is taking it to far. I in no way support the awful redzone calls nor do I support coach Gibbs holding Jason Campbell back week after week. This is the same shit we went through with Spurrier and Turner. Marty Schottenheimer should still be this teams coach and everyone knows it, what he did with the little level of talent was pretty amazing. I am absolutely ready for a change. Try this shit in the business world, you either get the job done or they will get someone else who will. Your completely out of your mind with your rediculous rant that you must support the teams decisions or your a fair weather fan bullshit.

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Oh yeah. One thing I am totally sick of is hearing people say there are no good coaching options out there. I've been much more cautious about sacking Gibbs because he may be working that out himself as others have said he will choose to retire.
But for fuck sakes, other teams find coaches out of the woodwork who make it happen. A year ago everybody questioned the Tomlin situation. Guess what? He makes Gibbs look like the rookie coach (if you're being honest with yourself). So what our we saying? Our owner and staff aren't smart enough to find a Tomlin?

Oh yeah, that kind of is what we're saying. Shit!

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;376735]There are people who recognize the good and bad aspects of this team. There are people who know we are not horrible or great, but somewhere in between. But when you make statements like the above one, you are opening yourself up to harsh attacks.

I find it interesting that the anti-Kool Aid crowd thinks that they are somehow more perceptive than the Kool-Aid drinkers. Wrong. They are just as delusional as some of the Kool-Aid drinkers, they just happen to go to the other extreme. It's kind of sad and funny at the same time.

By the way, if you like the forum good. If you don't like the forum, do something different. Why bitch about the site but continue to post here? That's about as dumb as whining about a team constantly, talking about how painful it is to watch the team, cursing every coach and player on the team, but continuing to watch them. I swear that many members of the anti-Kool aid crowd are closet S&M, leather-wearing slaves who just want another self-inflicted beating.[/quote]

Amazing, I disagree with the Kool-aid drinkers and all of a sudden im not a true fan. We beat the Cardinals by 3 feet, if Rackers field goal by some sort of a miracle doesnt go 3 feet wide, we lose. The Jets hit a huge play in overtime and Jerrico Cotchery drops a wideopen pass to put them in field goal range to win the game. And we had to go to overtime to beat a team that is widely considered to be the worst in the league in the Miami Dolphins, what did I say in my last post that was wrong. I swear that many members of the Kool-aid crowd are middle aged men wearing there redskins pajamas, holding on so tight to there 1992 superbowl wheaties box that they cant see whats going on right in front of there eyes.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;376735]There are people who recognize the good and bad aspects of this team. There are people who know we are not horrible or great, but somewhere in between. But when you make statements like the above one, you are opening yourself up to harsh attacks.

I find it interesting that the anti-Kool Aid crowd thinks that they are somehow more perceptive than the Kool-Aid drinkers. Wrong. They are just as delusional as some of the Kool-Aid drinkers, they just happen to go to the other extreme. The Kool-Aid crowd supposedly thinks we are a great team and the anti-Kool Aid crowd acts like we are 0-9. It's kind of sad and funny at the same time.

By the way, if you like the forum good. If you don't like the forum, do something different. Why bitch about the site but continue to post here? That's about as dumb as whining about a team constantly, talking about how painful it is to watch the team, cursing every coach and player on the team, but continuing to watch them. I swear that many members of the anti-Kool aid crowd are closet S&M, leather-wearing slaves who just want another self-inflicted beating.[/quote]

I'm VERY anti-Kool Aid, but I'm not a moron. I know I'm a devoted fan, but I don't have blind "in Joe we trust" faith either. It's not working, it's obvious, and I'm tired of excuses. Sure we've been dinged up, but we've also blown a few games we had locked up. Injuries are not the reason we're where we are now. We have above average talent, and below average performances, and a coaching staff that's not getting it done. We're 26-31 in the last 3+ seasons. If they're getting it done, the record sure doesn't show it.

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Since Gibbs is not going to be fired, one has to assume that threads like these are started largely for the purpose of generating a defensive response. Then the perpetrators throw up their hands and exclaim, "How dare you question my loyalty". It's eerily familiar somehow.

Gibbs is to blame for part of it, though. He has allowed the perception to flourish that anytime we run it's because he's interfering with Saunders playcalling. If he is, he's being pretty subtle about it, because I don't ever see him saying "Boo" to either Saunders through the headset or to Bill Lazor on the sideline who talks to Campbell. The only person he seems to speak with is Gregg Williams. And, Saunders doesn't really seem like the type that would shoot down such a misperception by the press if he thought it would allow him to escape the blame for any mistakes the team makes. He'll probably collect his doe and shuffle off to the next gig with his genius tag only slightly tarnished.

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Defense gave up TWENTY 4th quarter points. Twenty. That's the killer to me. Yes, the failure to get in from inside the ten was horrible. But today we managed to put up 25. We gave up 33.

The timeouts weren't the issue--yes, you want to have them, but one was called by JC, the other was a reasonable challenge. The FG one hurt, but that wasn't the thing that killed us. Now, penalties, on the other hand...

The offseason, we upgraded our secondary and moved ST to center field. And that helped. But without Rogers and ST back there, it looked a lot like last year, I'm afraid.

Joe will play out the season, and we'll see. Depends on what happens the rest of the way, IMO.

On the bright side,nice game by JC. Missed Lloyd on a long one, but some sweet sideline routes, and some great throws to WRs in the red zone.

Insult to injury: Thrash is having a career day, and blows out his knee. Man.

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[QUOTE=GiantsSuck703;376729]Thats the best thing about this forum, your absolutely in no way allowed to question anything that has to do with the Redskins. If you dont drink the Kool-aid your an idiot who has no idea what your talking about, your not allowed to speak out at all against the coaching staff. There will be no "extend Joe Gibbs contract" threads next week because we are going to get absolutely demolished by Dallas. If Sean Taylor cant go and Gregg Williams decides to play the same dumb ass zone defense that has allowed teams to take advantage of the underneath plays were going to be embarrassed. We needed to win this game badly, if you cant see that than your Burgundy and gold glasses are on a little to tight. Joe Gibbs not only cost us this game but he cost us the Giants game as well. We won the Cardinals,Jets and Dolphins game by pure luck. Conservative play gets you nowhere in the NFL and if you think were just one or two plays away from being a great team in the NFC you are sadly mistaken.[/QUOTE]

No, it's more like those "fans" who only come out and post just to bash the team when they lose, but are miles away from the warpath when the Redskins win. This has been evidenced time and time again, season after season. Then they wonder why the rest of us who are here through thick and thin question their support for this team.

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[QUOTE=GiantsSuck703;376745]Amazing, I disagree with the Kool-aid drinkers and all of a sudden im not a true fan. We beat the Cardinals by 3 feet, if Rackers field goal by some sort of a miracle doesnt go 3 feet wide, we lose. The Jets hit a huge play in overtime and Jerrico Cotchery drops a wideopen pass to put them in field goal range to win the game. And we had to go to overtime to beat a team that is widely considered to be the worst in the league in the Miami Dolphins, what did I say in my last post that was wrong. I swear that many members of the Kool-aid crowd are middle aged men wearing there redskins pajamas, holding on so tight to there 1992 superbowl wheaties box that they cant see whats going on right in front of there eyes.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say you weren't a fan. I said that I don't understand why someone who does nothing but complain about a team, hates watching the games, bashes a team's win, and hates just about everything that is related to the team would actually continue to watch the team.

Second, "woulda coulda shoulda" goes both ways. The anti-Kool Aid crowd uses that expression when members of the Kool Aid crowd talks about how we would have beaten the Packers if..... Yet those same people manage to say that we would have lost the game to X team IF. Those sort of mental gymnastics make my head hurt.

But, whatever, if it makes you feel good to bitch about this site and this team, have at it.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;376747]Since Gibbs is not going to be fired, one has to assume that threads like these are started largely for the purpose of generating a defensive response. Then the perpetrators throw up their hands and exclaim, "How dare you question my loyalty". It's eerily familiar somehow.

Gibbs is to blame for part of it, though. He has allowed the perception to flourish that anytime we run it's because he's interfering with Saunders playcalling. If he is, he's being pretty subtle about it, because I don't ever see him saying "Boo" to either Saunders through the headset or to Bill Lazor on the sideline who talks to Campbell. The only person he seems to speak with is Gregg Williams. And, Saunders doesn't really seem like the type that would shoot down such a misperception by the press if he thought it would allow him to escape the blame for any mistakes the team makes. He'll probably collect his doe and shuffle off to the next gig with his genius tag only slightly tarnished.[/QUOTE]

Exactly! You're obviously looking at all of this through logical reasoning.