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That's hardly evidence. A chart made in MS Paint that even says that the rate has been "adjusted" for something unmentioned. :D

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[quote=Buster;462163]That's hardly evidence. A chart made in MS Paint that even says that the rate has been "adjusted" for something unmentioned. :D[/quote]
You neocons are hilarious. Your response is essentially "If I close my eyes, it doesn't exist!" Nice.

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[quote=onlydarksets;462169]You neocons are hilarious. Your response is essentially "If I close my eyes, it doesn't exist!" Nice.[/quote]

yep, blame it on those damn hippies and pretend it doesn't exist, unless it's to prove their point of course. Then it's the greatest thing ever. ;)

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;462150][URL="http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm"][IMG]http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.gif[/IMG][/URL][/QUOTE]

FWIW, here's how they adjusted it:

1973-91 data adjusted to make data comparable to data after the redesign. Estimates for 1993 and beyond are based on collection year while earlier estimates are based on data year.

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"Well thats all in good but I read about more crimes everytime I turn on the TV, Radio, Internet, Newspaper, etc..."

Guys this quote above which I posted was a joke about hearing more about crimes and then naming all of the ways new travels. Maybe not a Ha! Ha! joke but one saying how can we miss anything with all the news outlets.

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[quote=firstdown;462223]Well thats all in good but I read about more crimes everytime I turn on the TV, Radio, Internet, Newspaper, etc...[/quote]

Shocker since that's all the media seems to focus on and in today's 24/7 coverage you get this stuff shoved down your throat more than ever.

And in the end that's your perspective.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;462228]Shocker since that's all the media seems to focus on and in today's 24/7 coverage you get this stuff shoved down your throat more than ever.

And in the end that's your perspective.[/QUOTE]

What's really funny about that is a few years ago when all those shark attacks were making the news, the statistics showed shark attacks were actually down that year...the media bends our minds too much in this country.

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Right now the big thing in the media is large cranes falling over. I never heard of one falling over and now there is one every other day.

I am scared to walk by them!

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lol - me too!

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[quote=onlydarksets;462169]You neocons are hilarious. [/quote]

That's hilarious! :smashfrea

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I remember the good ol' days of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Prohibition-era_gangsters"]Al Capone[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_Old_West_outlaws"]Billy the Kid[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mafia_hitmen"]Richard Kuklinski (Iceman)[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_serial_killers"]Ted Bundy[/URL], etc, etc...

Edit: Click on the links for more good ol' days guys and gals.

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[quote=saden1;462265]I remember the good ol' days of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Prohibition-era_gangsters"]Al Capone[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_Old_West_outlaws"]Billy the Kid[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mafia_hitmen"]Richard Kuklinski (Iceman)[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_serial_killers"]Ted Bundy[/URL], etc, etc....[/quote]
Son of Sam, the Zodiac Killer...

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Jeffrey Daumer (sp?)... that dude was a FREAK![/FONT][/COLOR]

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Hannibal Lecter, Michael Myers ...

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;462275]Hannibal Lecter, Michael Myers ...[/quote]

Um, fiction really isn't that scary...

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[quote=firstdown;462223]Well thats all in good but I read about more crimes everytime I turn on the TV, Radio, Internet, Newspaper, etc...[/quote]

Hello...

Media much? That stuff sells newspapers and airtime, that's why you see it all the time.

Internet and technology have increased the ways in which the media can reach the viewer. Leading to more advertising dollars. So you'll see a lot more horror stories shoved in your face, since that's what Americans get fixated on.

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Charles Manson

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In 1960 we had a population of 179,323,175, a crime total of 288,460.
This gave us a 'Violent Crime' rate of 160.9.
Murder was 5.1
Rape 9.6
Robbery 60.1
Ag. Assault 86.1

In 2006 we had a population of 299,398,484 and the crime total was 1,417,745.
This gave us a 'Violent Crime' rate of 473.5.
Murder was 5.7, so 'Yay!'
Rape 30.9
Robbery 149.4
Ag. Assault 287.5

That's a nice chart though, OnlyDarKSets, shame it doesn't tell the whole truth.

This does, however:

[url=http://bjsdata.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonline/Search/Crime/State/statebystaterun.cfm?stateid=52]Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime & Justice Data Online[/url]

:oink:

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[quote=RedskinRat;462376]In 1960 we had a population of 179,323,175, a crime total of 288,460.
This gave us a 'Violent Crime' rate of 160.9.
Murder was 5.1
Rape 9.6
Robbery 60.1
Ag. Assault 86.1

In 2006 we had a population of 299,398,484 and the crime total was 1,417,745.
This gave us a 'Violent Crime' rate of 473.5.
Murder was 5.7, so 'Yay!'
Rape 30.9
Robbery 149.4
Ag. Assault 287.5

That's a nice chart though, OnlyDarKSets, shame it doesn't tell the whole truth.

This does, however:

[URL="http://bjsdata.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonline/Search/Crime/State/statebystaterun.cfm?stateid=52"]Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime & Justice Data Online[/URL]

:oink:[/quote]
Yet you conveniently ignore the decline in all categories since 1992. The kids that enjoyed your "spare the rod" mentality in the 1950s were the adults committing crimes in the peak 1980-1990 years. The "hippie love children" of the 70s and 80s are the ones committing less crime now.

Of course, we don't need statistics to know that beating a child is an ineffective way to raise a kid.

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[url=http://wjz.com/national/greyhound.beheading.ads.2.789500.html]wjz.com - Greyhound Nixes Ads Touting Peaceful Upside Of Bus Travel After Passenger Was Decapitated[/url]

The marketing department could not have timed this better!

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[quote=onlydarksets;462389]Yet you conveniently ignore the decline in all categories since 1992. <SNIP>[/quote]

Are you suggesting that a slight decline is evidence that hippies haven't f**ked s**t up? Oh, and I lay a lot of the blame at Benjamin Spock's doorstep.

Look at the numbers again and try to spin them all you can, they are still MUCH higher.

[quote=onlydarksets;462389]Of course, we don't need statistics to know that beating a child is an ineffective way to raise a kid.[/quote]

That's a typical limp wristed attitude. 'Of course...'. What a pathetic statement, right up there with other hollow assertions like 'As we all know..' and 'It's common knowledge..' when you fail to back up said statement with any facts.

For sure raising a child has to be dependent on the child, there is not one solution for all kids. There has to be a balanced attitude, carrot/stick, if you will. It's not about beating a child to a pulp, it's about fair and rational discipline.

This has transitioned way off my original point which was about people being more socially responsible. The plane going into a field in Somerset County was the highest level that we may see in our lifetime and it gives me hope, this was a low point. From my perspective.
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[quote=onlydarksets;462389]
Of course, we don't need statistics to know that beating a child is an ineffective way to raise a kid.[/quote]

On this point, I will engage.

First, the word beating needs to be defined. If you're talking about some kind of strike to a child that can inflict bodily harm, cause bruises, bone bruises, break skin, or even break bones, then yes beating is entirely unnecessary, ineffective, and flat out wrong.

But if you're talking about a spanking - an open hand on the rear end or other soft tissue causing a stinging sensation - then that can be extremely effective and is not scarring. IF DONE PROPERLY.

First, when children are in the 1-3 year old range, they do not yet understand consequences. Their brains are also not yet developed enough to understand reason. You can't sit them down and say "Johnny, I do not want you to pull the dog's tail because it hurts the dog." He won't understand, the toddler brain is not capable of putting himself in another's shoes. A spanking creates a connection, a neural pathway, in the child's brain. Pull the dog's tail = pain on my hiney from a spank. That neural pathway is created that there is a negative consequence for doing that. This is how children come to understand consequences.

Consequences can be taught using other methods, though. Time out is extremely effective. Child pulls the dog's tail, you pick them up immediately and put them in the corner, or on a time-out chair, or wherever. You stand there and you don't allow them to get up. Usually they don't like being confined, and they don't like you being upset with them, so stern looks and a harsh tone of voice are also a must. You don't want to let timeout last too long or they forget what they were there for. You allow them to get up after about a minute, come over to you and make them apologize for pulling the dog's tail.

I use timeout on my 2-year old all the time. It's what I go to first. But she has a habit of just getting up in the middle of it. I put her back and yell at her and all that stuff. But if she keeps doing it, I go to the spank on the hiney. It's the last line of defense, and it always gets through to her.

Now, spanking must be done properly. If you look scary to the child when you're administering it, or if you do it rashly out of anger or frustration, you can inadvertently teach the child that it's ok to express anger or frustration by hitting. You must be completely calm, you must tell them it's coming, and even if they don't understand you must tell them why you're doing it. A calm demeanor also helps assure the child that you are not some scary monster.

Spanking runs the risk of teaching a child that it's OK to hit. But as long as you're not teaching that it's OK to hit out of anger, then the benefits of spanking (teaching consequences) outweigh the negatives. The negatives are minimized when a child never sees you come with a knee jerk reaction.

Sorry to preach on parenting, I recognize it can be very annoying to hear someone tell you how to raise your kids. So let me just disclaim that this is just my opinion and what seems to work well in my house. Each kid is different, some need a firmer approach and some need more encouragement.

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I will add that spanking teenagers is completely inappropriate. By this point their brains are developed to understand consequences.

With a 2 year old, you can ask them why they pulled the dog's tail, and they'll say "I don't know." That's because they really didn't understand that it was wrong.

With teenagers, they understand the rules and they understand consequences. They just make an economic decision. I'm going to stay out past curfew tonight because sneaking into the Pearl Jam concert is worth taking a risk that I'll get punished. They figure there's a chance I could get away with it, and if I get caught then a consequence is coming (assuming you instilled that in them when they were younger). You just have to make the consequence of said action not worthwhile, and reduce the chances that they'll get away with it. In other words, the punishment has to suck more than the Pearl Jam concert was fun. You have to tailor the punishment to the child, hit them where it hurts. If they're social, ground them. If they play video games, take it away. Whatever. But spanking is ineffective. They just get pissed off and resent you (and may even fight back) and withdraw from you.

Spanking is intended to [B]create[/B] the link between action and consequence. Once that link has been established though, you have to go to other means or the child will withdraw.

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Wowy.. ... that was just too much to read, so I didn't bother.

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S10 very good post! I agree full heartly with you. Redskin Rat's world of even your neighbors beating/spanking your children is just simply crazy, IMO. If my neighbor or even my best friend hit/spanked my child there would be some words exchanged.

I think with spanking like you said it is the last line of defense. Sometimes parents use spanking to relieve their own angry/fustration with the child, THIS IS WRONG. It is a fine line and their has been times where I have had to clam myself and decide which is the best course of action for my son.

In the end parenting is a very hard job and a personally one at that. Everyone has their own way of doing it. You will have a hard time coming up with Excel Spreadsheets/ Charts on what parenting skill is the best.

This reminds me of when Jsarno said he "beat" his dogs. Oh, the uproar!

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[quote=hesscl34;462426]Wowy.. ... that was just too much to read, so I didn't bother.[/quote]


Might have learned something.

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Anything over a paragraph does get awfully confusing. :doh:

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[quote=Schneed10;462411]
Spanking is intended to [B]create[/B] the link between action and consequence. Once that link has been established though, you have to go to other means or the child will withdraw.[/quote]

Excellent point, I didn't find it at all hard to read your post.

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[quote=RedskinRat;462439]Excellent point, I didn't find it at all hard to read your post.[/quote]


Ok with that said don't you agree that is something you would want to decide for your child? Not your neighbor.

I apologize if I offended you in these thread. I just finally read through all the post. I was simply just trying to pull your chain. Plus, you are 47 and I am 35 we are not worlds apart in age.

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[quote=RedskinRat;462439]Excellent point, I didn't find it at all hard to read your post.[/quote]

It's not hard to read... it just feels like a waste of time.. becuase it's off topic.

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[quote=hesscl34;462444]It's not hard to read... it just feels like a waste of time.. becuase it's off topic.[/quote]


If you didn't read it how do you know it is off topic? hmmmmm....

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[quote=mredskins;462446]If you didn't read it how do you know it is off topic? hmmmmm....[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana].. you know as well as I do that all I needed to read was the first few sentences... [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You guys get back to your talk now... I leave it alone.. ;-)[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=hesscl34;462449][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana].. you know as well as I do that all I needed to read was the first few sentences... [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You guys get back to your talk now... I leave it alone.. ;-)[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]
[I]
To sum it all up, basically if the crazy beheading dude had gotten a few whacks when he was a kid, he wouldn't have ended up as crazy.[/I]

The end.

(Note the sarcasm)

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[quote=DynamiteRave;462476][I]
To sum it all up, basically if the crazy beheading dude had gotten a few whacks when he was a kid, he wouldn't have ended up as crazy.[/I]

The end.

(Note the sarcasm)[/quote]

I thought it was "You can't fix crazy."

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Crazy is what crazy does.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;462476]
[I]To sum it all up, basically if the crazy beheading dude had gotten a few whacks when he was a kid, he wouldn't have ended up as crazy.[/I]

The end.

(Note the sarcasm)[/quote]

[COLOR=sienna]No, no, no! If the other riders on the bus had been beaten senseless as kids then they would all have been packing heat and crazy dude would have been toast, possibly at the bus station as he was buying a ticket.[/COLOR]
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If this happened in Texas the guy would be dead.

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Looks like our friend got off.

[url=http://wjz.com/national/bus.beading.canada.2.951305.html]Man Who Allegedly Butchered Fellow Passenger, Ate His Flesh Will Not Go To Prison, Judge Says - wjz.com[/url]

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personally, i think if you're mentally ill enough to go around decapitating people and eating their flesh... well, you belong as far away from human society as possible... not yearly hearings until they decide its cool to throw you back in with the rest of us.

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Well after the Dems change our health care to a system like theirs maybe they can change our criminal system to match theirs next.