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[QUOTE=dmek25;467905]sometimes it seems like the G.O.P would rather bash their opponent, rather then discuss policy. im sure for the handful of vets the republicans trotted out saying Kerry wasn't this and wasn't that, the Dem's could trot out the same amount of vets to counter this. but why was his service to his country even an issue? did anyone care when Dick Cheney said he had more important things to do then to serve in the armed forces? i really don't care about this stuff. all i want is someone, anyone, that is competent enough to run this complex country we live in. eight years of a total diaster should have evreyone clamouring for solid leadership.[/QUOTE]

Thats only because the Republican policy sucks so bad that they have to bash their opponent and descredit him or her. If they don't do that then they won't win any elections.

I agree to with the competency thing! I believe our President should be smart enough to know how many houses he owns!

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[quote=dmek25;467905]sometimes it seems like the G.O.P would rather bash their opponent, rather then discuss policy. im sure for the handful of vets the republicans trotted out saying Kerry wasn't this and wasn't that, the Dem's could trot out the same amount of vets to counter this. but why was his service to his country even an issue? did anyone care when Dick Cheney said he had more important things to do then to serve in the armed forces? i really don't care about this stuff. all i want is someone, anyone, that is competent enough to run this complex country we live in. eight years of a total diaster should have evreyone clamouring for solid leadership.[/quote]


I believe you have that backwards.

McCain has offered economic plans, energy plans that involve drilling and alternative forms of energy, a plan to complete the war in Iraq without suddenly surrendering, immigration ideas and many others.

Obama has preached about "change" and how he's "the chosen one". Please tell us what the change will be.

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McCain not knowing how many homes he owns is not a big deal. Dude is loaded and his wife takes care of everything. What is a problem is him labeling Obama with the elitist tag and all the arugula talk.

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[QUOTE=Buster;467921]I believe you have that backwards.

McCain has offered economic plans, energy plans that involve drilling and alternative forms of energy, [B]a plan to complete the war in Iraq without suddenly surrendering[/B], immigration ideas and many others.

Obama has preached about "change" and how he's "the chosen one". Please tell us what the change will be.[/QUOTE]

"I don't know uhhhh maybe a hundred years" - John McCain on when we'll complete the war in Iraq without "Surrending".

Great plan John!

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[quote=Buster;467921]I believe you have that backwards.

McCain has offered economic plans, energy plans that involve drilling and alternative forms of energy, a plan to complete the war in Iraq without suddenly[B] surrendering[/B], [B]immigration ideas[/B] and many others.

Obama has preached about "change" and how he's "the chosen one". Please tell us what the change will be.[/quote]
i don't think anyone has ever used the word surrender. and i could give a rats ass about immigration. it seems like McCain's big energy plan is to offer a bounty for coming up with a new battery, and the gas tax holiday, which to me is a joke. are we in agreement that drilling isn't the answer. or maybe just short term? the change i look for is just a different way of doing things in Washington. not just the old status quo. a new face, with hopefully new ideas.

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but lets keep the debate on the issues. because Mr McCain has enough of his own skeletons. not to mention his wifes

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For light entertainment and crazy...

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[QUOTE=saden1;467991]For light entertainment and crazy...

[yt]FVHZHuyVeio[/yt][/QUOTE]

Def nutso. I don't get why so many people see just the potential evil in others. I can disagree with people and not think they're bad. I disagree with a lot of what Obama believes but I'd drink a beer with the guy and talk basketball in a heart beat because he seems like a nice guy. Same with Bush.

Bill Clinton? Maybe but he's been a big dick for a while now. McCain? probably. Joe Biden? Not so much. He seems like a dick to me. Same with Cheney.

At the end of the day though whether I will vote someone has nothing to do with whether I like them on a personal note. Why anyone thinks Obama is some closet Muslim out to "get us" is beyond me and I wish those who tracked more with me politically would denounce that crap and talk about ideas.

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[quote=saden1;467991]For light entertainment and crazy...

[yt]FVHZHuyVeio[/yt][/quote]
i wonder how much fox news paid those nut jobs?

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;467861]Wait, I thought the original quote was that we were expecting a worse President after Bush.

Lincoln followed Buchanan - Arguably the greatest President ever.

Coolidge followed Harding - While not a "great" President, he presided over a period of prosperity, and is generally considered a good President.

F.D.R. followed Hoover - Certainly a great President and maybe the only other one in the same class as Lincoln and Washington.

If [I]either[/I] McCain [I]or[/I] Obama is the next Lincoln, F.D.R. or even Coolidge, I will: 1) Sit in the upper deck of the Linc in full Redskins attire shouting "Eagles suck"; and 2) discount all evidence of global warming as Hell most assuredly had frozen over.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, guess I misunderstood the original post. Damn my Republican ignorance!!!

I thought this was about a worse President at any point, not just the next President.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;467905]sometimes it seems like the G.O.P would rather bash their opponent, rather then discuss policy.[/QUOTE]

Problem with the Democrats right now is that they can't agree on who their opponent is

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/26/clinton.backers/index.html]Angry Clinton supporters toast McCain, roast Obama - CNN.com[/url]

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[quote=Buster;467921]I believe you have that backwards.

McCain has offered economic plans, energy plans that involve drilling and alternative forms of energy, a plan to complete the war in Iraq without suddenly surrendering, immigration ideas and many others.

Obama has preached about "change" and how he's "the chosen one". Please tell us what the change will be.[/quote]

So Buster after 22 nationally televised debates, countless interviews, two books authored by the candidate, a website with a litany of specific details on energy, the economy, healthcare, woman's reproductive health care rights, education and college tuition, benefits for our veterans, and yes, foreign policy. You mean to tell me that you don't have one iota of what Obama is talking about?

By the way, in terms of exiting Iraq, it looks like the time table is somewhere around 2011.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;468031]Sorry, guess I misunderstood the original post. Damn my Republican ignorance!!!

I thought this was about a worse President at any point, not just the next President.[/QUOTE]

Of course, if you put Bush in the class of Hoover, Buchanan and Harding - We're looking damn good for '08.

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[quote=dmek25;467998]i wonder how much fox news paid those nut jobs?[/quote]
Well I guess then CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC is paying for the nut jobs that show up at the Republican convention. I just wonder what all these nuts do when they are not protesting something.

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[quote=Miller101;467923]"I don't know uhhhh maybe a hundred years" - John McCain on when we'll complete the war in Iraq without "Surrending".

Great plan John![/quote]

Ha...listening to Obama's nonsense and misquotes I see. :D

His "100 years" was in reference to how long we'd have troop presence there. We still have troops stationed in Japan, Germany, Korean border, Central America everywhere we've fought from WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam...etc. Examining history, he's most likely right.

No one is picketing and demanding withdrawl from those places? Why not? Because President Bush wasn't in charge of those conflicts. Too many people, especially the anti-war crowd lets there blind and immature hatred for the President overshadow common sense, history and current events. If it is tied to President Bush, they automatically hate the idea.

Open a book and learn some history. Oh, and stay engaged with the current events.

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[quote=SmootSmack;468031]Sorry, guess I misunderstood the original post. Damn my Republican ignorance!!!

I thought this was about a worse President at any point, not just the next President.[/quote]
That's not Republican ingnorance your just too busy consentrating on the 4 G's the things that all Republicans hold so deer.

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[quote=Buster;468169]Ha...listening to Obama's nonsense and misquotes I see. :D

His "100 years" was in reference to how long we'd have troop presence there. We still have troops stationed in Japan, Germany, Korean border, Central America everywhere we've fought from WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam...etc. Examining history, he's most likely right.

No one is picketing and demanding withdrawl from those places? Why not? Because President Bush wasn't in charge of those conflicts. Too many people, especially the anti-war crowd lets there blind and immature hatred for the President overshadow common sense, history and current events. If it is tied to President Bush, they automatically hate the idea.

Open a book and learn some history. Oh, and stay engaged with the current events.[/quote]
I heard Obama was wondering why only 50 states had representatives at the convention and not all 57.

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[quote=firstdown;468175]I heard Obama was wondering why only 50 states had representatives at the convention and not all 57.[/quote]

Maybe that's the meat of his "Change" platform? He's going to lock down a few new states?

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[quote=12thMan;468043]So Buster after 22 nationally televised debates, countless interviews, two books authored by the candidate, a website with a litany of specific details on energy, the economy, healthcare, woman's reproductive health care rights, education and college tuition, benefits for our veterans, and yes, foreign policy. You mean to tell me that you don't have one iota of what Obama is talking about?

By the way, in terms of exiting Iraq, it looks like the time table is somewhere around 2011.[/quote]

He consistently changes his positions on a weekly basis...so no. Most people do not know what he stands for (currently).

The majority of his short time in the Senate consisted of voting "present" so he wouldn't have to take a stand.

His "glorious" speeches are like sermons, speaking in platitudes of "hope" and "change".

He refused to debate Clinton late in the primaries and is limiting his debates with McCain to only 3. Why? Probably because he's a horrible speaker without a teleprompter. He's a talented speech reader, but stutters and rambles until an idea arises in debates and interviews.

[B]Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash[/B]

[B]The Democratic nominee's policy pivots are causing anguish among liberals. He is no fool -
[/B]


[URL="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4264994.ece"]Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash | Gerard Baker - Times Online[/URL]



An example of one of his many lies:


[URL="http://www.townhall.com/Common/PrintPage.aspx?g=a3258696-9a3a-457e-bd61-dacaa59a4c7b&t=c"]Townhall.com - Printer Friendly[/URL]

[quote]Sen. Barack Obama is reaching out to new sources, including Washington insiders whose influence he has vowed to end. Obama is now using lists of contributors to Democratic congressional chairmen, primarily lobbyists of both parties.
[/quote]From Obama's own website: [URL="http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/"]Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Ethics[/URL]
[quote]A High Standard: Unlike other candidates Obama's campaign refuses to accept contributions from Washington lobbyists and political action committees.[/quote]


Speaking of his website, it was reported before some debates that he removed and/or changed many issues that may have caused criticism.

He's not a revolutionary candidate. He's more of the same, possibly a worse than usual politician.



Bonus: for everyone who claims that Republicans are "in the pocket of 'Big Oil'" -
[B][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/07/report_exxon_execs_gave_more_t.html"]Report: Exxon Execs Gave More to Obama | The Trail | washingtonpost.com[/URL]
[/B]

Another VERY interesting and alarming read:

[B][url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html]American Thinker: Obama's Foreign Donors: The media averts its eyes[/url][/B]

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[quote=Hog1;468183]Maybe that's the meat of his "Change" platform? He's going to lock down a few new states?[/quote]

Being the socialist he is, he's probably planning on splitting up some of the larger states like Texas so that land is distributed more evenly! :D

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[quote=Buster;468185]He consistently changes his positions on a weekly basis...so no. Most people do not know what he stands for (currently).

The majority of his short time in the Senate consisted of voting "present" so he wouldn't have to take a stand.

His "glorious" speeches are like sermons, speaking in platitudes of "hope" and "change".

He refused to debate Clinton late in the primaries and is limiting his debates with McCain to only 3. Why? Probably because he's a horrible speaker without a teleprompter. He's a talented speech reader, but stutters and rambles until an idea arises in debates and interviews.

[B]Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash[/B]

[B]The Democratic nominee's policy pivots are causing anguish among liberals. He is no fool - [/B]



[URL="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4264994.ece"]Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash | Gerard Baker - Times Online[/URL]



An example of one of his many lies:


[URL="http://www.townhall.com/Common/PrintPage.aspx?g=a3258696-9a3a-457e-bd61-dacaa59a4c7b&t=c"]Townhall.com - Printer Friendly[/URL]

From Obama's own website: [URL="http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/"]Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Ethics[/URL]



Speaking of his website, it was reported before some debates that he removed and/or changed many issues that may have caused criticism.

He's not a revolutionary candidate. He's more of the same, possibly a worse than usual politician.



Bonus: for everyone who claims that Republicans are "in the pocket of 'Big Oil'" -
[B][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/07/report_exxon_execs_gave_more_t.html"]Report: Exxon Execs Gave More to Obama | The Trail | washingtonpost.com[/URL][/B]


Another VERY interesting and alarming read:

[B][URL="http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html"]American Thinker: Obama's Foreign Donors: The media averts its eyes[/URL][/B][/quote]
Oh, come on this is just more politics as usual. You know your not suppose to question what he says and its offensive.

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[quote=Buster;468185]He consistently changes his positions on a weekly basis...so no. Most people do not know what he stands for (currently).

The majority of his short time in the Senate consisted of voting "present" so he wouldn't have to take a stand.

His "glorious" speeches are like sermons, speaking in platitudes of "hope" and "change".

He refused to debate Clinton late in the primaries and is limiting his debates with McCain to only 3. Why? Probably because he's a horrible speaker without a teleprompter. He's a talented speech reader, but stutters and rambles until an idea arises in debates and interviews.

[B]Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash[/B]

[B]The Democratic nominee's policy pivots are causing anguish among liberals. He is no fool - [/B]



[URL="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4264994.ece"]Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash | Gerard Baker - Times Online[/URL]



An example of one of his many lies:


[URL="http://www.townhall.com/Common/PrintPage.aspx?g=a3258696-9a3a-457e-bd61-dacaa59a4c7b&t=c"]Townhall.com - Printer Friendly[/URL]

From Obama's own website: [URL="http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/"]Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Ethics[/URL]



Speaking of his website, it was reported before some debates that he removed and/or changed many issues that may have caused criticism.

He's not a revolutionary candidate. He's more of the same, possibly a worse than usual politician.



Bonus: for everyone who claims that Republicans are "in the pocket of 'Big Oil'" -
[B][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/07/report_exxon_execs_gave_more_t.html"]Report: Exxon Execs Gave More to Obama | The Trail | washingtonpost.com[/URL][/B]


Another VERY interesting and alarming read:

[B][URL="http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html"]American Thinker: Obama's Foreign Donors: The media averts its eyes[/URL][/B][/quote]


Those are good talking points, but if Obama has indeed changed positions weekly, give me two. FISA, yes, he switched his positions. And I won't get into the nuance of the bill because it's very complicated. But for the sake of argument, yes, he switched on FISA. That's the position that gave the Left pause, if any at all.

In terms of the war in Iraq, both the current Administration and the Iraqi government are most definitely leaning toward Obama's withdrawal timeline, which he proposed from the very start of this election and has maintained throughout. So no switch there. No flip and certainly no flop. He cited sixteen months at the start and his rhetoric has changed one iota. Now, if he get's in office and things warrant staying longer, should he hold fast to sixteen months for the saking of keeping his word, that would be foolish and a display of poor leadership. But based on the current conditions, as Obama sees them, sixteen months is probably a good starting place to begin to draw down.


Voting present in the Illinois Senate is not simply "present" or ducking responsibilty as some would imply. This is funny how it came up during the Primary, but no one cared to investigate what present actually means in the Senate. The Illinois Senate operates quite differently than most state legislations in the United States.
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Speaking of missing votes, did you know that John McCain has missed more votes this year than any member in the U.S. Senate?


Obama's speeches, take it or leave it. Personally I don't think people being inspired for change and hoping for a new direction in our country is a bad thing. Especially when over 80% of Americans think we're on the wrong track. What, should we feel the opposite way? But I get what you're saying, you can do without the all the hype. Or stylistically, you're not feeling Barack. I can respect that.

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[quote=Buster;468223][IMG]http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080827/capt.104d723e9ff9427d84682bbf27729b67.obama_2008_mtab109.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Was Barack at your home last night, Buster. Nice TV. Clinton gave a great speech, by the way.

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two flip flops?

FISA, public financing.

next?

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[quote=12thMan;468207]Those are good talking points, but if Obama has indeed changed positions weekly, give me two. FISA, yes, he switched his positions. And I won't get into the nuance of the bill because it's very complicated. But for the sake of argument, yes, he switched on FISA. That's the position that gave the Left pause, if any at all.

In terms of the war in Iraq, both the current Administration and the Iraqi government are most definitely leaning toward Obama's withdrawal timeline, which he proposed from the very start of this election and has maintained throughout. So no switch there. No flip and certainly no flop. He cited sixteen months at the start and his rhetoric has changed one iota. Now, if he get's in office and things warrant staying longer, should he hold fast to sixteen months for the saking of keeping his word, that would be foolish and a display of poor leadership. But based on the current conditions, as Obama sees them, sixteen months is probably a good starting place to begin to draw down.


Voting present in the Illinois Senate is not simply "present" or ducking responsibilty as some would imply. This is funny how it came up during the Primary, but no one cared to investigate what present actually means in the Senate. The Illinois Senate operates quite differently than most state legislations in the United States.
[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/opinion/16mikva.html"][COLOR=#800080]www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/opinion/16mikva.html[/COLOR][/URL]

Speaking of missing votes, did you know that John McCain has missed more votes this year than any member in the U.S. Senate?


Obama's speeches, take it or leave it. Personally I don't think people being inspired for change and hoping for a new direction in our country is a bad thing. Especially when over 80% of Americans think we're on the wrong track. What, should we feel the opposite way? But I get what you're saying, you can do without the all the hype. Or stylistically, you're not feeling Barack. I can respect that.[/quote]

Public Campaign Funding
Offshore Drilling
NAFTA
DC Hand Gun Law (said it was unconstitutional then constitutional)
Corporate Taxes (said he thought they were wrong but in his own plains he has something like 300 mil in tax breaks)

On Iraq I feel he gave the impression that he would start removing troops right away which I feel he did to get the anti war group vote. Now he won the primary he is aying 16 months. I wont call that a flip flop but i think he did that in a wise politcal way to beat out Clinton.

He also said that the Bush/cheney energy bill was very bad but he himself voted for it in 2005.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;467804]For those that are actually interested in reading about the parties' platforms, instead of mindless drivel like every Republic hates immigrant and gays, and is all about God and greed, then here is the 2008 Democratic Party Platform

[url]http://www.demconvention.com/assets/downloads/2008-Democratic-Platform-by-Cmte-08-13-08.pdf[/url]

And here are some notes on what is expected to be on the 2008 GOP Platform

[url=http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/25/gop-platform-likely-against-abortion-gay-marriage/]Washington Times - GOP platform retains abortion-ban plank[/url]

Here is their 2004 Platform

[url]http://www.gop.com/images/2004platform.pdf[/url]

As a Republican, a moderate Republican who is not anti-immigration nor anti-gay (I know. How is that even possible if I'm a registered Republican) I hope that the 2008 platform is substantive and addresses the issues that really matter: economy, foreign policy, education, health care. While I don't agree with everything the Dems present I thought they did a strong job in stating their case.[/QUOTE]

thanks smoot, good info

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[quote=12thMan;468240]Was Barack at your home last night, Buster. Nice TV. Clinton gave a great speech, by the way.[/quote]
I heard her speach was more about her than Obama. Bill did give a good speech last night which might be a tough act for Obama to follow. Thats from a guy who does not like Bill but has to admitt the guy can give a good speach. It might be filled with a bunch of BS but stillgood.

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first, starting to think about a switch?:)

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[quote=dmek25;468475]first, starting to think about a switch?:)[/quote]
I'm a regestered Repubilcan but have voted Democratic on the local level here in Virginia. In Va. allot of the Dems. are more middle of the road and in some states would be considered more a Rep. than a Dem. I do not like either guy running for office because it seems both want to grow the size of the federal goverment. So my vote is going to go to the guy who will do the least amount of damage. One of my biggest issues is that goverment in most cases is the problem and not the solution. Everything they get involved in just skyrockets in cost, size and usually performs very poorly. Just because I guy can give a very good speach does not mean I agree with what they are saying.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;468480]I'm a regestered Repubilcan but have voted Democratic on the local level here in Virginia. In Va. allot of the Dems. are more middle of the road and in some states would be considered more a Rep. than a Dem. I do not like either guy running for office because it seems both want to grow the size of the federal goverment. So my vote is going to go to the guy who will do the least amount of damage. [B]One of my biggest issues is that goverment in most cases is the problem and not the solution. [/B]Everything they get involved in just skyrockets in cost, size and usually performs very poorly. Just because I guy can give a very good speach does not mean I agree with what they are saying.[/QUOTE]

Dude! You only say that because Republicans have been in power for a REAAAAAAAAAL long time. Once a democrat, like Barrack Obama, gets in there....................it will change. :)

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first, are we in agreement that the economy is in the tank?

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[QUOTE=Miller101;468484]Dude! You only say that because Republicans have been in power for a REAAAAAAAAAL long time. Once a democrat, like Barrack Obama, gets in there....................it will change. :)[/QUOTE]

You've gotta be kidding right?

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[quote=dmek25;468488]first, are we in agreement that the economy is in the tank?[/quote]
Well its been better but MSNBC is reporting stronger numbers than expected and thats from MSNBC. [url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19502041/]Consumer spending rises - Stocks & economy - MSNBC.com[/url]
The housing market had to come back to earth and thats been a big drag along with high gas prices. So I guess if your saying Bush is the reason for the economy then as president he gets blamed for such. I don't think the president has that much control over the economy but credit either goes with him or against him. If you look back over his 8 years its been good for about 6 of those years and that was after 9/11 and everyone saying that the economy would tank for along time. I also think that the media in and election year and are liberal have pumped this news to every house hold for the past year has had a big affect.