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[quote=GusFrerotte;499651]Ah yeah, that is the ticket bud!!! Letting the D win it worked well with Pittsburgh and us not scoring points in Detroit could have been a disaster as we only won by 8. Relying on a defense with a banged up secondary facing a plethora of WRs that Dallas has isn't a very good strategy, more like misplaced hope. Dallas needs to win the game more than us since they are on a nasty slide and need to turn it around now. JC needs to step it up, as well as the other wideouts or we lose the game. Simple as that!!!!!!!![/quote]

Have you ever heard of a low-scoring, defensive battle? The fact is that sometimes the defense wins the game for you. And Jason Taylor should be back.

I agree that JC needs to play well. But Santana is hurt. Thrash is not a world-beater at wideout. And the rookies...I hope they step it up, but I wouldn't plan on that since it has not happened before. Cooley needs to have a career day. If he doesn't, then so much for your plan.

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[quote=Lotus;499671]Have you ever heard of a low-scoring, defensive battle? The fact is that sometimes the defense wins the game for you. And Jason Taylor should be back.

I agree that JC needs to play well. But Santana is hurt. Thrash is not a world-beater at wideout. And the rookies...I hope they step it up, but I wouldn't plan on that since it has not happened before. Cooley needs to have a career day. If he doesn't, then so much for your plan.[/quote]

Our only hope is that either a.) Dallas is still as bad as they've played lately or b.) they get overconfident with all of our injuries. I just don't see the Redskins winning this one. Well then again, everytime someone says that, they actually show up an win! So bring on the negative comments!!

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[quote=firstdown;499506]He has beat coverage on several plays and JC missed him wide open down the field. He will get his chance and I think the coaches need to do a better job of getting him involved in the game.[/quote]

I'm starting to think this guy is going to be a total 100% bust. We all knew it was a very risky pick to begin with. But when you see other rookie wr's playing well in the WC offense ( Royal and Jackson) you start to wonder. I mean outside of teams he's given us NOTHING. I do agree that the coaches need to do a better job designing plays for him. Just some simple shit like screens.

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[quote=SBXVII;499517]Unless I'm wrong about the "Two time Pro Bowler"(The infamous TTB) part then no I'm not drunk. When word came that the Skins picked up the TTB instead of bringing back Mason the lot of you said SA would be the perfect fit, that he would teach Portis something. lol. Now you all are saying with out Portis we are doomed. lol. Apparently your faith has wained a bit and the TTB is not the answer. lol. Atleast some of us were looking at a more current player who led the league in preseason. Oh ...thats right led the league in preseason against 2nd and 3rd stringers. lol.

Ya'll can't have it two ways...you can't say the TTB is going to revitalize his career here and then two weeks later say we are doomed if we don't have Portis or Betts.

Where are all the Rock fans who say Rock is a #1 and should be given a chance to run the ball? That he will fill in nicely for Portis and Betts. We have 3 RB on this team and and now a 4th and only Portis is the man? Maybe we should pick up another RB you know ....just in case something happens to Rock.[/quote]

Couldn't agree with you more. I gave out this scenario a long time ago and recently on the SA thread. What would happen if Betts and God forbid Portis got hurt. But I am not saying anything. We just better hope Rock and TTB have a good game. I dont see it. But hopefully it happens. If not its going to be a long game. But I hope we can pull it out. But TTB and Rock are not the answer and now when disaster strikes people finally realize why we should have kept Mason as the 3rd back. My bad. He only lead the league in rushing in the preseason. Oh and it was against 2nd and 3rd stringers..My bad..Sorry. This guy named Hightower for the Cardinals looked good in preseason too. What happened to him? Preseason is worthless huh. Any bum can lead in rushing in preseason!!..On that note. I hope CP plays. GO SKINS!!

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Holy shit!
Someone poured acid in the koolaid.

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i'm trippin.

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I hate to be the profit of doom but ...

REDSKINS - Portis - Moss = LOSS

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[quote=skinsfan69;499679]I'm starting to think this guy is going to be a total 100% bust. We all knew it was a very risky pick to begin with. But when you see other rookie wr's playing well in the WC offense ( Royal and Jackson) you start to wonder. I mean outside of teams he's given us NOTHING. I do agree that the coaches need to do a better job designing plays for him. Just some simple shit like screens.[/quote]
Well lets not forget those others you have picked out (Royal & Jackson) are playing for an O that has had the WC offense in place for sometime. So they just had to learn their place in the system. We still have an entire offense learning the system and its just natural for the QB in a new system to go with the players he is allready comfortable with. Lets not write him off so soon.

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It's too early to be tossing around the bust label. We knew Thomas was on the green side coming in, he's only confirmed that so far.

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JC's take...a MUST WIN ALSO! Lets get it on! Whoever is in there has to step it up.

Posted at 12:26 PM ET, 11/12/2008
Campbell Says It's a Must-Win Game for Skins, Too

From Jason La Canfora:

Jason Campbell said he agrees with the Dallas Cowboys on one thing: The game Sunday is a "must-win" for his team, too.

"It's must-win for both teams," said Campbell, sounding like several Dallas players who said they need to win to stay in the playoff hunt. "Something's got to give."

Campbell said that if Clinton Portis does not play, it will make things "different" for the passing game, but that he has confidence in all the running backs.

"We'll all have to step up our game a little more," if Portis can't play, Campbell said.

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If we do not have Portis (or have him at less than 100%), with Betts coming off an injury and Alexander having his best years behind him (and showin rust), this game scares me. Demarcus Ware may be in our backfield all day if we're forced to throw all the time -- the Steelers LBs certainly spent a lot of time there. To me, this game will come down to whether our D can (finally) force some turnovers and whether we can sustain some drives even with a hobbled running game.

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Well Portis can straigten his leg out today. Will we see a miracle Sunday night?

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[quote=53Fan;499903]Well Portis can straigten his leg out today. Will we see a miracle Sunday night?[/quote]

One can only pray... but what we need to see is Moss the Cowboy killer deep and long all night long.. that's how we beat the Cowboys.

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[quote=53Fan;499668]You know the funny thing is, this is the WCO, we're SUPPOSE to pass first.:) I think we kinda got away from that.[/quote]


I agree, and the simple fact of it is our WR minus Moss is mediocre so we have had to rely too much on Clinton. If our WR corp(Moss excluded) doesn't step up to the plate our season is toast!!!!!!

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Yeah we need some rookies to step up, but we've also gotten away from throwing Cooley and El short passes on first down. If anything, that helps Portis not to be keyed on so much. I think we'll open things up soon. Either willingly or by neccessity.

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I will be very interested to see what changes the coaches make coming off the bye.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;499925]I will be very interested to see what changes the coaches make coming off the bye.[/quote]

I'm actually excited about it. It almost feels like we've been keeping things under wraps besides Portis and Moss. We DO have other weapons. Maybe we'll get to see some against Dallas.

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What about Mike Sellers. He is a load. I just haven't seen him with the ball at all this season. If Portis can't play I think we should go with Rock or Betts, but Sellers in mid to short yardage situations. I remember last year when he ran that guy over in the Detriot game. Who do you think clears all that space for portis?

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[quote=Play Action Boot Leg;499943][B]What about Mike Sellers[/B]. He is a load. I just haven't seen him with the ball at all this season. If Portis can't play I think we should go with Rock or Betts, but Sellers in mid to short yardage situations. I remember last year when he ran that guy over in the Detriot game. [B]Who do you think clears all that space for portis[/B]?[/quote]

Yea what about him? Real strong fullback/run blocker/teamer.

In this system his primary function is 'A' typical to clear out more space for the Tailback, just as he has been doing.

I saw the presser with Zorn today and one of the beat schlubs said to Zorn that big Mike said remind him that he can run with the ball......Zorn sure got a laugh outta that and said, as he laughed yea thinks for the tip.....big Mike will not be running the football in this system unless we are out of RB's.

Welcome aboard

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[quote=Play Action Boot Leg;499943]What about Mike Sellers. He is a load. I just haven't seen him with the ball at all this season. If Portis can't play I think we should go with Rock or Betts, but Sellers in mid to short yardage situations. I remember last year when he ran that guy over in the Detriot game. Who do you think clears all that space for portis?[/quote]

Welcome to the board. Yeah, I'd like to see Sellers get a few carries myself. So far Zorn has made some adjustments in this offense to fit the players so you never know. He may have a few surprises for the second part of the season.

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Word from Redskins park is Portis NOT practicing today, and according to Doc and kevin, the decision to play will be made tomorrow. Rumor is Portis, and Bett's are out! and SA is in!
KICK ASS S.A., he's been there and knows how it is done!!
HTTR

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Wish Portis were playing.
Not only is he having an MVP season from carrying the ball, but if he does not play his blocking ability in pass protection will be missed more than anything.

He is one of the best pass protectors in the league, and I for one do not underestimate that ability.

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[quote=Hog1;500070]Word from Redskins park is Portis NOT practicing today, and according to Doc and kevin, the decision to play will be made tomorrow. [B]Rumor is Portis, and Bett's are out! and SA is in![/B]
KICK ASS S.A., he's been there and knows how it is done!!
HTTR[/quote]

Where did you get that from? Everything I've heard says Portis will be a game time decision. Zorn said they will evaluate him in the hours leading up to the game and go from there, and he also said Ladell has a better shot to see the field Sunday than Clinton does.

I for one think we need Portis down the stretch and we'd be dumb to rush him back 2 weeks after an injury that commonly takes a full month to heal. Even though I desperately need him to play in one of my fantasy leagues... :)

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[quote=GMScud;500082][B]Where did you get that from? Everything I've heard says Portis will be a game time decision. [/B]Zorn said they will evaluate him in the hours leading up to the game and go from there, and he also said Ladell has a better shot to see the field Sunday than Clinton does.

I for one think we need Portis down the stretch and we'd be dumb to rush him back 2 weeks after an injury that commonly takes a full month to heal. Even though I desperately need him to play in one of my fantasy leagues... :)[/quote]

If you listen to Redskins Radio the consensus seems to be there's no way Portis plays Sunday night. A grade 2 MCL sprain kept Tomlinson out for six weeks last year. Zorn even said that it would be stupid to risk aggravating the injury. If he's not going to be effective, he might as well stay on the sidelines.

Betts' injury must have been much more serious than I thought. It's been four weeks and he's still not ready to play.

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[quote=Beemnseven;500119]If you listen to Redskins Radio the consensus seems to be there's no way Portis plays Sunday night. A grade 2 MCL sprain kept Tomlinson out for six weeks last year. Zorn even said that it would be stupid to risk aggravating the injury. If he's not going to be effective, he might as well stay on the sidelines.

Betts' injury must have been much more serious than I thought. It's been four weeks and he's still not ready to play.[/quote]

I haven't had much of a chance to listen to 980AM this week. But like I said, I HOPE Portis doesn't play. We need him 100% down the stretch a lot more than we need him at 60-70% for this one game.

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[quote=GMScud;500120]I haven't had much of a chance to listen to 980AM this week. But like I said, I HOPE Portis doesn't play. We need him 100% down the stretch a lot more than we need him at 60-70% for this one game.[/quote]


Agreed. And you know, with Portis out, Zorn and the offensive coaching staff may have to resort to the unthinkable: relying more on the passing game to move the football.

We haven't seen Jason Campbell be a one-man wrecking crew yet. If it were up to me, I'd put him in the shotgun for 70% of the plays and let it ride.

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[quote=Beemnseven;500123]Agreed. And you know, with Portis out, Zorn and the offensive coaching staff may have to resort to the unthinkable: relying more on the passing game to move the football.

We haven't seen Jason Campbell be a one-man wrecking crew yet. If it were up to my, [B]I'd put him in the shotgun for 70% of the plays and let it ride[/B].[/quote]

No doubt. I don't know about 70% of the time, but I agree that more shotgun and creative playcalling will be necessary. I think we should hit Rock on some nice screen passes, get Cooley more involved, and spread it around. I say we take a deep shot or two to Devin Thomas as well. He may not know the playbook perfectly, but a go route ain't that hard. He'll definitely see single coverage.

There is no doubt in my mind that Jason can pick apart the Dallas secondary. I hope we give him the chance. If we try to lean on Alexander like we do with Portis, we'll almost definintely lose. But I think Zorn is too smart to do that.

IMO this will be our most unique offensive game of the season (as compared to our frist 9 games anyway).

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[quote=GMScud;500125]No doubt. I don't know about 70% of the time, but I agree that more shotgun and creative playcalling will be necessary. I think we should hit Rock on some nice screen passes, get Cooley more involved, and spread it around. I say we take a deep shot or two to Devin Thomas as well. He may not know the playbook perfectly, but a go route ain't that hard. He'll definitely see single coverage.

There is no doubt in my mind that Jason can pick apart the Dallas secondary. I hope we give him the chance. If we try to lean on Alexander like we do with Portis, we'll almost definintely lose. But I think Zorn is too smart to do that.

IMO this will be our most unique offensive game of the season (as compared to our frist 9 games anyway).[/quote]

The one thing that disappointed me about the Pittsburgh game was how Zorn and Sherman Lewis gameplanned for the Steeler pass rush. Dallas has some quick D-linemen too, (though nothing compared to Pittsburgh), so I'll be curious to see how they've gone back to the drawing board.

As an example, Troy Polamalu was rocketing to the line whenever Portis carried the ball on a stretch running play. I remember hearing a few years ago how offensive coordinators said the same thing about Sean Taylor, that he was susceptible to the running back option pass because of his ferocity to stop the run. So if I thought of it, you know someone on the coaching staff did. But they never tried it.

If there's a criticism I have so far of Zorn as a playcaller, it's that when the fecal matter starts hitting the rotary device, he doesn't seem to have in-game answers. Maybe that's something that will adjust as he grows into the job. When things are going smoothly, he's fine and we saw that at Dallas and Philly -- he knows how to keep things on a roll.

It seems like all the pieces are there for a dominating passing attack if they would just try it. Hell, even during Gibbs's first stint, he was known to go bombs away when he had to. I want to see that from Zorn the offensive mastermind too.

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Didn't see this posted... but not good news.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3700840]ESPN - Washington Redskins running back Clinton Portis unlikely to play against Dallas Cowboys[/url]

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[quote=GMScud;500125]No doubt. I don't know about 70% of the time, but I agree that more shotgun and creative playcalling will be necessary. I think we should hit Rock on some nice screen passes, get Cooley more involved, and spread it around. I say we take a deep shot or two to Devin Thomas as well. He may not know the playbook perfectly, but [B]a go route ain't that hard. He'll deflnitely see single coverage.[/B]

There is no doubt in my mind that Jason can pick apart the Dallas secondary. I hope we give him the chance. If we try to lean on Alexander like we do with Portis, we'll almost definintely lose. But I think Zorn is too smart to do that.

[B]IMO this will be our most unique offensive game of the season[/B] (as compared to our frist 9 games anyway).[/quote]

That's what I've been saying. It's not that complicated to go deep. Give Thomas a shot downfield. Anyone looking at our game film would definitely not expect it. This may be the time Zorn was looking to change things up anyway. If things go well, this game could be a tremendous boost to our offense. Throw Davis in the mix in a 2 tightend set and shake things up a little.

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Looking more like 5/95%...and zero % if we are thinking beyond this game.

CP needs to sit out. Betts/SA and Rock need get keep the ground attack moving with the o-line having a stellar day.

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Posted at 2:40 PM ET, 11/14/2008
[B]Springs, Washington, Montgomery Still Iffy[/B]

From Jason Reid:

Cornerback Shawn Springs (calf) and strong-side linebacker Marcus Washington (shoulder) were limited in practice and said they might play against the Cowboys, although Zorn was more confident about Springs than Washington.

"I don't know about Marcus, but I'm much more encouraged" about Springs, Zorn said. "I did see Shawn run around, and I'm more encouraged about Shawn than Marcus. We'll just have to wait and see."
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Posted at 2:00 PM ET, 11/14/2008
[B]Betts Intends to Play; Portis' Chances '50-50'[/B]

From Jason Reid:

The Redskins received encouraging news about their injured top running backs, learning that primary backup Ladell Betts plans to play Sunday night against the Dallas Cowboys and that lead back Clinton Portis expressed optimism about making "progress" as he recovers from a sprained knee

Betts returned to practice in a limited role Wednesday for the first time since he sprained his left knee Oct. 12 in a 19-17 loss to the St. Louis Rams. Washington's second-leading rusher with 156 yards, Betts continued to test his knee in team drills Thursday at Redskins Park.

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thats good some encouraging news...im tired of springs being hurt, im glad we signed hall andhopes he pans out

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Springs is questionable, Marcus is probable, but Zorn said Springs has a better chance to play?? Huh?

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A2KIRzqLCx5JzBAB6gA5nYcB?slug=ap-redskins-portis&prov=ap&type=lgns]Portis again doesn't practice, listed questionable - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=GMScud;500437]Springs is questionable, Marcus is probable, but Zorn said Springs has a better chance to play?? Huh?

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A2KIRzqLCx5JzBAB6gA5nYcB?slug=ap-redskins-portis&prov=ap&type=lgns"]Portis again doesn't practice, listed questionable - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]


I just watched a video of practice today the had MW fitted up with a shoulder brace and not doing really much of anything.

Watched a interview just a few minutes ago of SS on comcast before the hockey game. He states after the calf nick the dr's said it would be 4-6 weeks down.....? WTF? Did they cut your fckin leg off?

Then he laughed and said, Kelly I've been in the league 12 years what do I have left to prove....? How bout your fckin paycheck asshole! I'm so sick of this fcking guy that lives on the sidelines! I can't wait till hes gone. I'm way over his crybaby bullshit!

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;500445]I just watched a video of practice today the had MW fitted up with a shoulder brace and not doing really much of anything.

Watched a interview just a few minutes ago of SS on comcast before the hockey game. He states after the calf nick the dr's said it would be 4-6 weeks down.....? WTF? Did they cut your fckin leg off?

Then he laughed and said, Kelly I've been in the league 12 years what do I have left to prove....? How bout your fckin paycheck asshole! I'm so sick of this fcking guy that lives on the sidelines! I can't wait till hes gone. I'm way over his crybaby bullshit![/quote]

I suspected from day 1 of that injury that he tore his calf muscle. I've strained a calf before, actually bad enough that I could barely walk for a few days. No way in hell it takes 6 weeks to heal a strain.

What else do I have to prove he says? What a dick.

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he might have been saying what does he have to prove meaning why should he practice in order to be able to play.. like some players do

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;500466]he might have been saying what does he have to prove meaning why should he practice in order to be able to play.. like some players do[/quote]

First off they weren't talking about practice. The interview being conducted by Kelly she was talking about the importance of SS being on the field.

He stated something to the effect if he wasn't a 100% and couldn't have that burst off the line, he felt like it would be hurting the team. Come on.

No one in this business is 100% during the year or if I had to guess with there training regimen ever. Get your ass on the damn field and earn your damn check, stop making fckin excesses for your lame ass.

How many other warriors on this team play week after week with much more than just nicks and dings, most all! This is the same ole same ole for springs! Good for half a season if your lucky. Don't let the door hit you in the ass at the end of the season, when you retire.

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Not quite sure I understand the venom towards Springs, he's injured. If he could be out there he would be. A corner with a bad wheel does us no good.

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[quote=Mattyk72;500468]Not quite sure I understand the venom towards Springs, he's injured. If he could be out there he would be. A corner with a bad wheel does us no good.[/quote]

My feeling on springs is he just doesn't give a shit, an his attitude pretty much reflects that IMO. Have you heard of many players getting kicked in the calf and miss 6 weeks? Come on man, they guy is a fragile egg.

Don't get me wrong really good corner when on the field and maybe our best but Los is closing ground probably already has. But if you are never available to play you aren't worth a shit!

This isn't breaking news, we've been dealing with this constant nick or ding that causes SS to miss big chunks of most seasons for years now. Enough already.

It time for SS to go. I hope we can get a little return out of him this season before he departs, and IMO retires. The guy is done, if your a 50/50 guy you should be getting half a paycheck.