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[quote=Hog1;518210]ALSO, I think PC and possibly some Federal laws may mandate that as a convicted felon (having served your due) you deserve the same consideration as the next candidate for a job. In reality, in all but a small percentage of circumstances.....the AIN'T happening[/quote]
All job applications ask if you been conivicted of a crime or felony so I don't think thats the case. Some businesses won't hire people if they have bad credit or financial problems.

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[quote=firstdown;518219]All job applications ask if you been conivicted of a crime or felony so I don't think thats the case.[B] Some businesses won't hire people if they have bad credit or financial problems[/B].[/quote]

Very true. When I was working in mortgage banking, my company did a background check obviously, and I also had to sign a consent form allowing them to run my credit. This is fairly common practice in the financial sector. It makes sense. I wouldn't want to hire someone to handle/advise on financial matters if they can't even keep their own stuff in order.

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[quote=Schneed10;518207]I think some people can be rehabbed, but that's not the point. I support giving employers the [B]option[/B] to decide who they want to give that second chance to. If they don't want to give that second chance, they shouldn't have to.

GMScud makes great points, there is gray area galore. I'm of the same mind that I can overlook a DWI offense for certain positions, while someone convicted of aggravated assault probably wouldn't stand a chance with me.

There are positions where you just don't want to take the chance. [B]If I'm hiring someone to clean the bathrooms of my office building, I probably don't care if they've been convicted of drug charges in the past. If I'm a car dealership hiring a car salesmen, I absolutely want someone with a 100% clean record.[/B][/quote]

Great point. I doubt Vick will ever be a starting QB in the NFL again cause it's so much more than throwing a football and reading defenses. There is the business side and your QB has to be marketable. No one says Vick can't work a 9-5.

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[quote=Schneed10;518207]I think some people can be rehabbed, but that's not the point. I support giving employers the [B]option[/B] to decide who they want to give that second chance to. If they don't want to give that second chance, they shouldn't have to.

GMScud makes great points, there is gray area galore. I'm of the same mind that I can overlook a DWI offense for certain positions, while someone convicted of aggravated assault probably wouldn't stand a chance with me.

There are positions where you just don't want to take the chance.[B] If I'm hiring someone to clean the bathrooms of my office building, I probably don't care if they've been convicted of drug charges in the past.[/B] If I'm a car dealership hiring a car salesmen, I absolutely want someone with a 100% clean record.[/quote]

I wouldn't hire Michael Vick to clean the toilets in my office. :)

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[quote=GMScud;518222]I wouldn't hire Michael Vick to clean the toilets in my office. :)[/quote]

I'm with ya brother!

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[quote=Hog1;518208]That's a REAL shame...........75, and Sunny[/quote]

Hog. I lived in SW Fl for 30 years. I know the Naples area very well. Nice.

I can't feel to sorry for these guys as Im now living in upstate NY. Talk about friggin cold.

Enjoy your weather!

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[quote=GMScud;518222]I wouldn't hire Michael Vick to clean the toilets in my office. :)[/quote]

Neither would I, but I would sure as hell hire him if he could average 1 TD per game over the course of the season. Thats an improvement over what we got.

Honestly, I think that he would be one hell of a Punt Returner/ offensive weapon. People can say what they want about ARE but he is not as versataille as people think.

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[quote=Angry;518226]Neither would I, but I would sure as hell hire him if he could average 1 TD per game over the course of the season. Thats an improvement over what we got.

Honestly,[B] I think that he would be one hell of a Punt Returner/ offensive weapon.[/B] People can say what they want about ARE but he is not as versataille as people think.[/quote]

I thought that what we were saving Colt Brennan for?

As for Vick no way. Wouldn't touch him with a 10ft pole.

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[quote=Angry;518226]Neither would I, but [B]I would sure as hell hire him if he could average 1 TD per game over the course of the season[/B]. Thats an improvement over what we got.

Honestly, I think that he would be one hell of a Punt Returner/ offensive weapon. People can say what they want about ARE but he is not as versataille as people think.[/quote]

As a QB? Because any non-QB who can avg 16 TDs a year is not only going to have a job, but will likely also be a pro-bowler with a phat contract. IMO Vick's future in this league (if he even has one) is not at QB.

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[quote=44ever;518225]Hog. I lived in SW Fl for 30 years. I know the Naples area very well. Nice.

I can't feel to sorry for these guys as Im now living in upstate NY. Talk about friggin cold.

Enjoy your weather![/quote]
We'll be paying for it this summer!

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[quote=GMScud;518232]As a QB? Because any non-QB who can avg 16 TDs a year is not only going to have a job, but will likely also be a pro-bowler with a phat contract. [b] IMO Vick's future in this league (if he even has one) is not at QB.[/b][/quote] Nope, it's going to be as a 'gimmick' as I've been saying throughout the thread. He's not going to get another job in the NFL as a starting QB, but even if he's 90% of what he was athletically the last season he played, he's still an elite level 'weapon'.

If you were a defensive coordinator and had to game plan against a starting RB, a #1 WR, a decent QB AND had to account for a weapon like Vick who can throw, run, catch on any play? That's a tough match-up for any defense.

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[quote=Paintrain;518239]Nope, it's going to be as a 'gimmick' as I've been saying throughout the thread. He's not going to get another job in the NFL as a starting QB, but even if he's 90% of what he was athletically the last season he played, he's still an elite level 'weapon'.

If you were a defensive coordinator and had to game plan against a starting RB, a #1 WR, a decent QB AND had to account for a weapon like Vick who can throw, run, catch on any play? That's a tough match-up for any defense.[/quote]

Considering the hot new trend is the "wildcat" formation, I could see a team picking him just to experiment with him in that regard. He does have a big arm and is blazing fast, so they could run him in wildcat and keep defenses honest because of the pass option when he's in the backfield.

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[quote=GMScud;518232]As a QB? Because any non-QB who can avg 16 TDs a year is not only going to have a job, but will likely also be a pro-bowler with a phat contract. [B]IMO Vick's future in this league (if he even has one) is not at QB.[/B][/quote]

That's what I am saying. The crazy thing is I believe that he is capable of a 16 TD season outside of the QB position. Use him as a returner, a passer, a runner and a reciever.

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[quote=Paintrain;518049]I'm for Vick to the Redskins, not as a starting QB but as an 'athlete' that we can use as a RB, WR, wildcat QB, etc. Giving him 15 touches a game with his skills (assuming they've only minimally diminished) would give us a dynamic we need on offense.[/quote]

I would support adding Vick as long as the Redskins management did their due diligence before signing him.

By that I mean that mangement would need to interview him and others to ascertain that he regrets what he did and that he is dedicated to resuming his career and to being a positive influence in the community.

Then, they would need to work him out to see if he still has the skills we remember.

Lastly, they would need to inform him that if he misbehaves even once, then he'll be cut.

I think that Vick has paid a heavy price for what he has done. I don't think that he should be banned or blackballed from the NFL, as well.

As far as what his role would be were he to be signed, I would certainly not rule him out as a QB.

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I am a dog owner and lover. I hope he never gets to rejoin the league. If he joins the Redskins, I will not be able to watch. I don't think Snyder is that stupid. There would be such a negative uprising from the fans.

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This thread is a hell of an insult to Jason Campbell!!!

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;518268]This thread is a hell of an insult to Jason Campbell!!![/quote]


Not if you actually read it.

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[quote=Angry;518269]Not if you actually read it.[/quote]

lol, read on the internet? FOOLISHNESS! Why make an informed comment when an uninformed one is much easier?

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[quote=Soup's Uncle;518266][b]I am a dog owner and lover.[/b] I hope he never gets to rejoin the league. If he joins the Redskins, I will not be able to watch. I don't think Snyder is that stupid. There would be such a negative uprising from the fans.[/quote]

Since no-one took my Leonard Little bait from earlier in the thread I will pose it like this, do you love your wife (if married) and mother? Little killed a woman a few years ago in a DUI that was married and a mother of a young child. Would you feel the same level of indignation if the Redskins signed him?

Without excusing or justifying Vick's actions and involvement, how is what he did worse than killing a human being?

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alcohol negates specific intent . . .but im sure the "experts" will chime in soon enough to tell me how wrong i am lol!!!

i.e. vick knew what he was doing was wrong and had the specific intent of killing a dog. little should have known drinking and driving would increase the chances of causing a car accident (recklessness) but did not have the specific intent of getting into a fatal car accident.

go skins!!

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[quote=over the mountain;518282]alcohol negates specific intent . . .but im sure the "experts" will chime in soon enough to tell me how wrong i am lol!!!

i.e. vick knew what he was doing was wrong and had the specific intent of killing a dog. [b]little should have known drinking and driving would increase the chances of causing a car accident (recklessness) but did not have the specific intent of getting into a fatal car accident.[/b]

go skins!![/quote]

Isn't that playing semantics? Little knew that he had been drinking when he got behind the wheel. Intent to break laws has very little to do with whether they are broken and the consequences. I'm sure 'he didn't mean it' isn't a very successful defense tactic.

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The guy made Roddy White look like a bust and can't aim to save his life. 56.4% is his best completion percentage for a season? I'll pass.

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[quote=Paintrain;518287]Isn't that playing semantics? Little knew that he had been drinking when he got behind the wheel. Intent to break laws has very little to do with whether they are broken and the consequences. I'm sure 'he didn't mean it' isn't a very successful defense tactic.[/quote]

I agree.

What Little did is worse than Vick. Intent doesn't change the magnitude of his criminal act. However I don't think that either of them derserve eternal condemnation for their acts. They served, are serving, their criminal and civil punishments. As long as they can show remoarse and willingness to make amends they should have a second chance.

Liking what they did to a Manson style crime is exorbitant.


On a side note did you know that the first lady Laura Bush has killed someone while behind the wheel?..that gotta suck to live with that.

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Speak of the devil...

[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/06/vicks-creditors-want-to-know-about-his-reinstatement-efforts/]ProFootballTalk.com - VICK’S CREDITORS WANT TO KNOW ABOUT HIS REINSTATEMENT EFFORTS[/url]

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[quote=Skinny Tee;518305]What Little did is worse than Vick. Intent doesn't change the magnitude of his criminal act. [/quote]
Certainly the magnitude of the result of Little's actions is [B]far[/B] worse than what Vick did. Of course human life is far more valuable than an animal life.

However the intent of making an extremely poor judgement (don't know if Little is a habitual DUI type, if he is than that's another story) while under the influence of alcohol that [B]accidentally[/B] resulted in the loss of human life cannot be compared to the cold-heartedness and evil that is required to finance and operate a dog-fighting venture which systematically tortures / maims / kills animals for [B]fun[/B] over a period of years.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;518189]To echo what Schneed said. In my "day" job for an IT/telecom no way would I hire a convicted felon, too much potential risk and we can find much better candidates for positions. At my small restaurant, same thing, why take the risk? Do I want a convicted felon with access to my cash register or someone with a clean record?

Vick decided to murder animals for fun, no one forced him to. I have absolutely no sympathy for him.[/quote]


[B]I am in no way defending Vic, [/B]but I must have missed the part where he did it for fun? Also I hope alot of you realize that, that beautiful white German Sheppard you or your neighbor or friend has would have been destroyed by most sheppard breaders. Most white sheppards are looked at as having a gene defect and their parents are looked down upon after even one is found to be in a litter. The breader does not take the animal to a vet to destroy it either. For whatever reason usually due to the breader showing their animals or breading for money they will destroy the pup in hopes no one finds out cause it could cost them hundreds of dollars including from future litters. I only mentioned the Sheppards cause I have heard breaders talk about these things. Then you have to wonder what the other breaders of other animals are doing in order to make a dollar. God forbid their dog has sex with a different bread or a mutt. They will destroy the dog cause it will no longer be of use to them.

Now I mention this cause I'm not so sure he did it for fun. Again maybe I'm wrong, and I could be, but we all really don't know the specifics of the case. I have heard people in animal rescue talk about how they will destroy an animal if it bites a person or is too aggressive. All I'm getting at is maybe, maybe he decided he had to destroy the animal for whatever reason. Perhaps the dog bit him or a family memeber and he decided to put the dog down.

Again we all are trying to hold court over the man after he already has gone to court and full filled his obligation. As for hiring a felon....I'm always on the fence. Vic's issues have nothing to do with laundering money or stealing, or killing a person, or vandalizing someone elses property. It wasn't drug related....even though I was supprised there. Vic's troubles had nothing to do with football. I see no reason he can not come back to a team that would benifit from having him. but I don't see the Skins benifiting from having him. and I would most definitly agree if he had to be a spokesman for PETA and get counceling for the drug issues.

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............head shake.............

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NO is the obvious answer. Some people dont mind what hes done... most do. Whatever. IT DOESNT MATTER!!! Hes not comming here!
Everybody calm down... "WHY WE TALKING ABOUT THIS" relax dude its just a forum discussion.

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You gotta be kidding me!!!!!!! Vick can scramble and is a great runner, but his last season with the Falcons he sure sucked as a passer. Only the doormat type teams will make a play for him and we are not desperate. Even if we do part ways with JC next year(doubtful unless he asks for the moon) we are better off drafting another QB than getting Vick.

Re: Would you accept Michaek Vick on the Redskins?
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;518068]I can't write how I really feel about these two degenerate animals. I'd be banned from posting and I really can't find the words. I don't care if this bile bag can jump over a mountain, he gets signed, I'm not longer a Redskin. If I had my way him and Marcus would be floating down the James with their hands and feet bound with leashes and their dope shoved down their filthy craws.[/quote]

To be honest... I hope the skins sign Vick so I don't cheer for the same team as you. Get a life dude

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IMO it's time for this thread to go away....

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I second that motion...for the love of god, kill it, kill it!!!!!

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[quote=GMScud;518460]IMO it's time for this thread to go away....[/quote]

2nd that... this is crazy.

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Done. Thread locked.