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Does anyone think that if Sanchez is on the board the Skins take him. I would.












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[quote=T.O.Killa;528944]Does anyone think that if Sanchez is on the board the Skins take him. I would.[/quote]

Depends on who would look better taking a dirtnap at FedEx. Sanchez looks like a deep sleeper but I still think that Campbell can beat him out.

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We have no need for a QB right now and sanchez will be a bust anyway, IMO... We have about 7 other position needs before we need a QB

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sorry, been away a while, so i'm not entirely up to speed (disappointing, i know :P).

anyways, I agree that OL/DL is the way to go, just like it was last year (grr).

lots of decent FAs, though a bunch are ancient (birk, runyan, et al). jahri evans or khalif barnes would start day one for us though, if that's possible to work out. we can try to grab nugent to kick and draft DL, since that's a weaker FA class after the franchise tags are handed out. Orakpo seems to show up in a lot of lists for us...

I think heyward-bey and lauranitis are the best value picks in the later first round right now (not for us, just in general), though they'll probably be top 15-20 by draft day.

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[quote=That Guy;528976]sorry, been away a while, so i'm not entirely up to speed (disappointing, i know :P).

anyways, I agree that OL/DL is the way to go, just like it was last year (grr).

lots of decent FAs, though a bunch are ancient (birk, runyan, et al). jahri evans or khalif barnes would start day one for us though, if that's possible to work out. we can try to grab nugent to kick and draft DL, since that's a weaker FA class after the franchise tags are handed out. Orakpo seems to show up in a lot of lists for us...

I think heyward-bey and lauranitis are the best value picks in the later first round right now (not for us, just in general), though they'll probably be top 15-20 by draft day.[/quote]

Welcome back(?) How about Willis out of Seattle for a RT FA? He only gave up 1.5 sacks last year and is very young.

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[quote=The Goat;528977]Welcome back(?) How about Willis out of Seattle for a RT FA? He only gave up 1.5 sacks last year and is very young.[/quote]

I might be wrong on this Goat but I thought Willis only played tackle because Jones was hurt. I'm not sure if he played the whole year at tackle which may have something to do with sacks allowed. But he does look like a good player and he is young and he is big.

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[quote=53Fan;528980]I might be wrong on this Goat but I thought Willis only played tackle because Jones was hurt. I'm not sure if he played the whole year at tackle which may have something to do with sacks allowed. But he does look like a good player and he is young and he is big.[/quote]

According to their depth chart he's listed as a backup RT and not anywhere at guard and he's list as an OT on walterfootball.com but i honestly don't know anything about him. What I really noticed is like you said, young and big and available.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;528952]Depends on who would look better taking a dirtnap at FedEx. Sanchez looks like a deep sleeper but I still think that Campbell can beat him out.[/quote]

:laughing2 There are a lot of guys I would like to have in this draft but if we don't get some players on the line soon we're gonna be in some deep dookie for quite awhile.

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[quote=The Goat;528982]According to their depth chart he's listed as a backup RT and not anywhere at guard and he's list as an OT on walterfootball.com but i honestly don't know anything about him. What I really noticed is like you said, young and big and available.[/quote]

Here's a little good and bad about him......[url=http://www.fieldgulls.com/2009/2/9/754190/2008-season-retrospective]2008 Season Retrospective: Ray Willis - Field Gulls[/url]

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[quote=53Fan;528989]Here's a little good and bad about him......[url=http://www.fieldgulls.com/2009/2/9/754190/2008-season-retrospective]2008 Season Retrospective: Ray*Willis - Field Gulls[/url][/quote]

Nice find sir. I wonder if his knack for missing blocks could be coached up, or rather coached out of him, under Joe's tutelage?

... i guess what i'm thinking here is a guy like Willis could come in and start right away and probably be an upgrade over Jansen/Heyer. We could be in better position then to trade down in the draft and get your fav center/guard and an OLB.

BTW it looks less and less likely the Curry "miracle" will happen for us 53.

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[QUOTE=The Goat;528991]Nice find sir. I wonder if his knack for missing blocks could be coached up, or rather coached out of him, under Joe's tutelage?

... i guess what i'm thinking here is a guy like Willis could come in and start right away and probably be an upgrade over Jansen/Heyer. We could be in better position then to trade down in the draft and get your fav center/guard and an OLB.

[B]BTW it looks less and less likely the Curry "miracle" will happen for us 53.[/[/B]QUOTE]

It sure is fun to dream though. :)

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[quote=53Fan;528993][QUOTE=The Goat;528991]Nice find sir. I wonder if his knack for missing blocks could be coached up, or rather coached out of him, under Joe's tutelage?

... i guess what i'm thinking here is a guy like Willis could come in and start right away and probably be an upgrade over Jansen/Heyer. We could be in better position then to trade down in the draft and get your fav center/guard and an OLB.

[B]BTW it looks less and less likely the Curry "miracle" will happen for us 53.[/[/B]QUOTE]

It sure is fun to dream though. :)[/quote]

U could even call it a fantasy LOL

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brown (ravens C) or stacy andrews (OG) would help too...

FA some decent OL starters and nugent, draft DL.

I mean we could use TJ too, but he's 31, probably wants a bunch of money, and we already have a lot invested in WRs (without much return).

I like rocky bernard at DT, and like every year there's a ton of depth LBs out there for cheap. I rather get foxworth for cheap or dunta for money at CB then waste a lot on getting hall back here.

again, that leaves DL as our weakest position after possible FA signings and current roster consideration. taylor and daniels are ancient, we've got one backup DE and a DT position without a real #1 DT (griff's stud days are gone). The only real FA that's attainable for the skins in bernard (and he's 30 too).

so i'd look for safe DE picks, and we're in the right range to get one... I wouldn't rule out a DT though, as 1st round graded DTs tend to be one of the safest picks a team can make (as far as bust %).

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I was listening to Orakpo talk about who he talked to and he said that he talked to the skins, and they asked him if he could SLB which he says he can do, but then again when millions of dollars are on the line you'll say anything

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Just saw on NFL Live that Ray Maluauga pulled his hammy and ran a terrible 40 (4.82 i think) and is expected to drop into the latter half of the 1st round. I think there's a nice opportunity to trade down and still pick up a monster LB or maybe OL in the 1st and get another pick.

Here's my question to the draft masters... [B]what is the approximate value of our 13th. For instance, if we trade picks w/ Detroit at 20 or Philly (21st or 28th) can we hope to get their 2nd round pick as well or is their 3rd round the best we'll do. Also what if we threw in our last pick of the draft?[/B]

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670]NFL draft-pick value chart - NFL - ESPN[/url]

1st and 2nd if its pick 20-24ish in both rounds. that chart is a guide though, not concrete.

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[quote=SmootSmack;522172]Suppose we made absolutely no moves prior to draft day, no free-agent signings (other than maybe some camp bodies), and no trades for more draft picks this year.

If we assume the above, that leaves us with a 1st, 3th, 5th, and 6th round pick.

So with all that in mind, give me your mock draft as of today(this is who you would want the Skins to use their picks on)

I'll start (I wanted to get Connor Barwin in here, but just couldn't find a spot for him)

1st-OT: Best Available and that probably means Michael Oher at this point, but I'm becoming a big Eben Britton fan and I'd be tempted to take him

3rd-C: Antoine Caldwell (looking more unlikely he'll be around, but someone like Luigs could fall down there)

5th-DE/LB: Lawrence Sidbury (out of Richmond, could be a steal)

6th-um....some running back[/quote]

1-Orakpo
3-BA Center/Tackle that can also play guard
5-BA Guard/Tackle
6- LBs Jasper Brinkley, Moises Fouku
FA/Comp 7th- C Dallas Reynolds

Dude, good heads up on the Barwin kid he put up beast numners at the combine

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orakpo have a great combine too... i mean, it would have been better if he ran a 4.5 ;) but then he'd be the #1 overall pick. he did as well as you possibly can with the numbers outside of being a true freak (mario williams, vernon, etc).

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To me Portis got a lot of mileage on him, and he been in a lot of head on collisions. Even though he's tough as nails, we need a brand new muscle car! We need to draft a outstanding playmaker to compliment him in the back field. Betts is not that dude! If Portis aint playing we are getting it handed to us all last season. We need a mustang back there with our thoroughbred. Betts and Rock aint getting it done. There are 3 excellent playmaking backs in this draft we need one of them. The OL and DL can wait to the later rounds. I watch more college football than I do pro(except for the redskins). Those OL and DL in this draft are not that impressive. Majority take a lot of plays off and are overweight and lazy. Not your prototype Joe Gibbs, tough redskins players.

My point being we need to score more point with playmakers on offense, we need speed and durability i.e. percy harvin, Beanie Wells, Moreno. They are young monsters, playmakers, with speed. To me Harvin or Moreno would be the best fit because they are just like portis. We would not lose a step with them learning from and backing up portis in our style of play. Then portis could be the finisher in the redzone. Its all about scoring points in the NFL and running the ball. No 1st round OL or DL gonna do that! I rest my case for now. Hail to the Redskins!!!

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[quote=KingRaloIV;530079]To me Portis got a lot of mileage on him, and he been in a lot of head on collisions. Even though he's tough as nails, we need a brand new muscle car! We need to draft a outstanding playmaker to compliment him in the back field. Betts is not that dude! If Portis aint playing we are getting it handed to us all last season. We need a mustang back there with our thoroughbred. Betts and Rock aint getting it done. There are 3 excellent playmaking backs in this draft we need one of them. The OL and DL can wait to the later rounds. I watch more college football than I do pro(except for the redskins). Those OL and DL in this draft are not that impressive. Majority take a lot of plays off and are overweight and lazy. Not your prototype Joe Gibbs, tough redskins players.

My point being we need to score more point with playmakers on offense, [B]we need speed and durability i.e. percy harvin, Beanie Wells, Moreno[/B]. They are young monsters, playmakers, with speed. To me Harvin or Moreno would be the best fit because they are just like portis. We would not lose a step with them learning from and backing up portis in our style of play. Then portis could be the finisher in the redzone. Its all about scoring points in the NFL and running the ball. No 1st round OL or DL gonna do that! I rest my case for now. Hail to the Redskins!!![/quote]

Kinda hard to run when you don't have an offensive line. No thanks. Pass.

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[quote=That Guy;529162]brown (ravens C)[/quote]




Jason Brown is the only free agent i would go after.
I don't see how a Tackle will help when the interior line was the bigger issue.
I want the Redskins to get out building through the free agency.
I thought that Vinnie was going to build through the draft and do it right this time.
You know, stay away from making several big money salary cap unfriendly free agent moves.

Its a viscous circle.

Synder has been impatient with HCs.
Before Gibbs, Synder didn't allow any HC to establish or create a Redskins identity a 'system' if you will.
Synder meddles in the player personnell dept. making it hard for the coach to get the players he wants.
Skins fall for the quick fix through free agency and get hamstrung with horrible contracts and players that don't fit the system/scheme.

The coach gets fired, the whole thing starts over.
If we would just stick with a coach and stick with a system we would have more success.

Now we have a budding system in place and coaches gaining knowledge and continuity within that system. Maybe its time to let the coaches develop players instead of chasing players that were developed by other teams for different systems?

Living off of free agency imo is tacitly admitting that we can't develop procure and develop talent.
I thought that this was over, i hope Vinnie/Synder can control themselves during this upcoming free agnecy.

THAT GUY- this post isn't directed at you, just how crazy things get before free agency,
i'm hoping its much ado about nothing

:food-smil

1st Round- Orakpo trade down Cushing/Mauluaga/Barwin
3rd Round- Mack/Luigis BA Center (that can play guard until..)
5th Round- Jasper Brinkley LB
6th Round- Moises Fouku OLB

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[quote=30gut;530333]Jason Brown is the only free agent i would go after.
[B]I don't see how a Tackle will help when the interior line was the bigger issue.[/B]
I want the Redskins to get out building through the free agency.
I thought that Vinnie was going to build through the draft and do it right this time.
You know, stay away from making several big money salary cap unfriendly free agent moves.[/quote]

Don't you remember rushers like Tuck, Harrison, Suggs, and Ware coming from the outside and getting to Campbell? I don't think you can easily dismiss the need to improve at tackle.

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[quote=Ruhskins;530361]Don't you remember rushers like Tuck, Harrison, Suggs, and Ware coming from the outside and getting to Campbell? I don't think you can easily dismiss the need to improve at tackle.[/quote]

Yeah, premiere edge rushers are occasionally gonna beat even the best OL and most of those pressure/sacks you refer to were on Jansen and an injured Samuels and a couple were on Geisinger playing out of positoin at OT.
I think the improvement will come with a healthy Samuels and the continued progress of Heyer. I thought Heyer was good in pass pro when he was in the line-up, and Buges has spoken highly of him.

The right side interior line (Rabach and Thomas) were healthy enough to play yet still struggled.
It bothered me when JC was getting pressure up the middle on a 3 step drop. I just wonder how Rabach or Thomas are gonna be able to block the likes of a Ratliff w/o a double team if they couldn't do it last year?

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Watching Kiper and McShay go back and forth is classic. And then hearing Scott Van Pelt follow it up with his Kiper impression is even better. It just happened on the 11:00pm SportsCenter. Good stuff.

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[quote=GMScud;530645]Watching Kiper and McShay go back and forth is classic. And then hearing Scott Van Pelt follow it up with his Kiper impression is even better. It just happened on the 11:00pm SportsCenter. Good stuff.[/quote]

Oh man, I missed that.

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Redskins holding private workout for Clay Mathews. I hope this does not mean we are going to pick him 13th. Hopefully, they hope to trade down and get him there.

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[quote=30gut;522400][B]1st[/B]-By some stroke of luck: [B]Aaron Curry (LB)/BJ Raji (DT)/ DE Brian Orakpo[/B]
more realistic [B]Rey Maulauaga (LB)/James
Laurinitis[/B]
RB Knowshon Moreno / C Alex Mack

[B]3rd[/B] C Antoine Caldwell/C Eric Wood
OLB Marcus Freeman/OLB Clay Matthews
RB Rashad Jennings/ RB Javon Ringer
DE Phillip Hunt
BPA Offensive Line
[B]5th[/B] (BPA) -OLB Kaluka Maiava/ OT Robert Brewster /C Dallas Reynolds (328lbs)
[B]6th[/B] (BPA)-CB Wopamo Osaisai/ CB/KR Brice McCain /FB(Pass)Mark Hafner[/quote]

haha, dude wishful thinking. There is no way on this earth that curry is going to fall to 13. He is the lowest risk, most value pick in this draft and whoever gets him just solved their problems at linebacker. Brian Orakpo is also not goint to be there because he is just a workout warrior, a vernon davis type of player, who just looks incredible during individual workouts and is going to get picked up quickly.
Honestly, the best offensive lineman period thats available (hopefully tackle) would be the best decision.

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[quote=KingRaloIV;530079]To me Portis got a lot of mileage on him, and he been in a lot of head on collisions. Even though he's tough as nails, we need a brand new muscle car! We need to draft a outstanding playmaker to compliment him in the back field. Betts is not that dude! If Portis aint playing we are getting it handed to us all last season. We need a mustang back there with our thoroughbred. Betts and Rock aint getting it done. There are 3 excellent playmaking backs in this draft we need one of them. The OL and DL can wait to the later rounds. I watch more college football than I do pro(except for the redskins). Those OL and DL in this draft are not that impressive. Majority take a lot of plays off and are overweight and lazy. Not your prototype Joe Gibbs, tough redskins players.

My point being we need to score more point with playmakers on offense, we need speed and durability i.e. percy harvin, Beanie Wells, Moreno. They are young monsters, playmakers, with speed. To me Harvin or Moreno would be the best fit because they are just like portis. We would not lose a step with them learning from and backing up portis in our style of play. Then portis could be the finisher in the redzone. Its all about scoring points in the NFL and running the ball. No 1st round OL or DL gonna do that! I rest my case for now. Hail to the Redskins!!![/quote]

It won't matter if there is no one to block for you. Clinton Portis is 27, always arrives in shape and has missed 9 games in 5 seasons with the Redskins (didn't miss a single game the last two seasons). The offensive line, on the other hand is a whole other story. It is one of the oldest units in the league and is losing its ability to be competitive fast. So thanks but no thanks, I would rather the Skins take a chance with an Andre Smith than risk Moreno/Harvin/Wells.

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[quote=30gut;530333]Jason Brown is the only free agent i would go after.
I don't see how a Tackle will help when the interior line was the bigger issue.
I want the Redskins to get out building through the free agency.
I thought that Vinnie was going to build through the draft and do it right this time.
You know, stay away from making several big money salary cap unfriendly free agent moves.

Its a viscous circle.

Synder has been impatient with HCs.
Before Gibbs, Synder didn't allow any HC to establish or create a Redskins identity a 'system' if you will.
Synder meddles in the player personnell dept. making it hard for the coach to get the players he wants.
Skins fall for the quick fix through free agency and get hamstrung with horrible contracts and players that don't fit the system/scheme.

The coach gets fired, the whole thing starts over.
If we would just stick with a coach and stick with a system we would have more success.

Now we have a budding system in place and coaches gaining knowledge and continuity within that system. Maybe its time to let the coaches develop players instead of chasing players that were developed by other teams for different systems?

Living off of free agency imo is tacitly admitting that we can't develop procure and develop talent.
I thought that this was over, i hope Vinnie/Synder can control themselves during this upcoming free agnecy.

THAT GUY- this post isn't directed at you, just how crazy things get before free agency,
i'm hoping its much ado about nothing

:food-smil

1st Round- Orakpo trade down Cushing/Mauluaga/Barwin
3rd Round- Mack/Luigis BA Center (that can play guard until..)
5th Round- Jasper Brinkley LB
6th Round- Moises Fouku OLB[/quote]

Tackle is definitely the top priority. Gibbs tried running Portis up the middle, and it was marginally successful. But then Zorn comes and in his first season Portis had his best YPC as a Redskin [B]because he is a lateral runner/slasher[/B]. Compounded with the fact that Chris Samuels is 31 and has clearly lost a step, Jon Jansen is 33 and lost his job to someone who would start on less than 5 other teams in the league (Stephon Heyer), OT is definitely a higher need than guard.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;536491]Tackle is definitely the top priority. Gibbs tried running Portis up the middle, and it was marginally successful. But then Zorn comes and in his first season Portis had his best YPC as a Redskin [B]because he is a lateral runner/slasher[/B]. Compounded with the fact that Chris Samuels is 31 and has clearly lost a step, Jon Jansen is 33 and lost his job to someone who would start on less than 5 other teams in the league (Stephon Heyer), OT is definitely a higher need than guard.[/quote]

I think Andre Smith would definitely open up space for Portis at right tackle. Orakpo (the big winner of the combine hype) is good, but he's not a game-breaker. And more of a DE rather than a LB. The redskins can make better use of the 13th pick with a player that can make a bigger impact.

I watched some tape on Monroe and he is definitely worth a top 5 pick with his pass protection skills. I haven't seen much of Jason Smith to make a good judgment yet. C Mack is solid, but not 1st round talent with the videos that I've seen.

DT Raji is a beast and is definitely the top player in the draft.


Watched Rey Maualuga and Brian Cushing - and it looks like Maualuga has better instincts and football IQ. I don't know if Cushing belongs in the 1st or 2nd round yet. LB James Laurinaitis definitely is overrated by some experts and is not 1st round talent, let alone high 1st round IMO- I think he stays stationary too long when anticipating the rb instead of moving forward towards the rb to tackle. LB Aaron Curry is good but shouldn't be as high as some have him in the 1st round.

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cushing is definitely not the safest bet... he's the good workout low college production guy with an injury risk.

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1 Rey Maualuga
3 Mitch King DE/DT Iowa (fits our scheme as a LDE)
5 OL
6 OL

Maybe King is a guy that can fall to the 5th round in which case I would take an OL. A lotta people won't like that we keep addressing the defense, but I feel King and Maualuga are good football players that will be around a long time. Also 3 of the 4 conference championship teams were top 5 defenses. Defense wins championships. Please no Cardinals or Colts references, Manning and Warner/Fitz/Boldin are rare and their D was solid in their runs, especially Indy.

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[quote=warriorzpath;536563]I think Andre Smith would definitely open up space for Portis at right tackle. Orakpo (the big winner of the combine hype) is good, but he's not a game-breaker. And more of a DE rather than a LB. The redskins can make better use of the 13th pick with a player that can make a bigger impact.

I watched some tape on Monroe and he is definitely worth a top 5 pick with his pass protection skills. I haven't seen much of Jason Smith to make a good judgment yet. C Mack is solid, but not 1st round talent with the videos that I've seen.

DT Raji is a beast and is definitely the top player in the draft.


Watched Rey Maualuga and Brian Cushing - and it looks like Maualuga has better instincts and football IQ. I don't know if Cushing belongs in the 1st or 2nd round yet. LB James Laurinaitis definitely is overrated by some experts and is not 1st round talent, let alone high 1st round IMO- I think he stays stationary too long when anticipating the rb instead of moving forward towards the rb to tackle. LB Aaron Curry is good but shouldn't be as high as some have him in the 1st round.[/quote]

What about Clay Matthews?

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I am not sure if others have seen this YouTube site, but it has extended TV highlights of most of the top prospects in this year's draft. So you can actually watch the guys play rather than relying on talking heads to tell you what to think.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/user/DraftParty"]YouTube - DraftParty's Channel[/URL]

I don't know if that was the only good 10 minutes of film on Michael Johnson, but I really like the way that guy looks. He has athleticism, quickness, and size. I know Kiper is saying he might fall to the second but he looks better than that to me. I'd like to watch the whole Virginia tape and see him go against Eugene Monroe for a whole game. I also really like Everette Brown, but I think Johnson has the better body type to do the things that Blache asks his ends to do in the run game. If they decide to go DE I wouldn't mind taking Johnson from the little that I have now seen of him, even at #13 and even though it would make Kiper's head explode (or maybe especially because it would make his head explode).

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At tackle, if it comes down to Andre Smith or Michael Oher, I like Oher (as I said in another thread).

At LB, if it comes down to Cushing or Maualuga, I'll take Maualuga (and I was hoping to like Cushing better since he would fill an immediate need at SLB). Maualuga seems to play at a high intensity and attacks the football. He kind of looks like London Fletcher. I guess you would worry about how he would match up with more athletic NFL tight ends if he had to play the SAM for a few years until Fletcher retires/leaves but we have had the liability for some time now. He would certainly provide a strong run defender and just looks like a better football player than Cushing. I'd actually be pretty upset if the Skins went with Cushing because there are a number of guys who look better even if SLB is a hole that needs filling.

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And if the Skins could drop down to the early to mid-20's, pick up a 2nd round pick, and nab Michael Johnson and, say, Jamon Meredith I would be loving it.

Potential trade partners by the draft value chart numbers (the likelihood of some of these seems remote).
[LIST][*]Philadelphia (picks 21 and 53 - 1170; pick 13 - 1150)[*]Minnesota (picks 22 and 54 - 1140; pick 13 - 1150)[*]New England (picks 23 and 47 - 1190; pick 13 and 5th - approx. 1185.5) or (picks 23, 58, and 4th - approx. 1134; pick 13 - 1150)[*]Atlanta (picks 24, 55, and 4th - approx. 1142; pick 13 - 1150)[*]Miami (picks 26 and 44 - 1160; pick 13 - 1150 ... plus kick to Cerrato's groin for having to drop 13 spots to get back pick 44)[/LIST]Obviously other scenarios could exist, but those are the most obvious. To my eye Minnesota looks like the ideal partner if there is someone at 13 that they covet. I wonder about the ability to deal with Philadelphia, New England, or Miami since they all likely value their 2nd's too highly to do any of those trades. At least we have a history with Atlanta from last year so maybe doing another draft day deal would be easier.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80eef17e&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Full round-by-round order for 2009 NFL Draft[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;536578]What about Clay Matthews?[/quote]

The only film I could find on YouTube was a video that some guy had taken from his TV of about three plays that Matthews made this year. From those three plays he looked better than Cushing but, you know, rather limited sample size. I think I'd probably take Rey ahead of him.

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we need an OLB or and DE come on guys can,t you see this. we have really nobody at those spots....

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[quote=bigant;536608]we need an OLB or and DE come on guys can,t you see this. we have really nobody at those spots....[/quote]

Can't you see that many people have discussed players at those positions? Read the thread.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;536599]And if the Skins could drop down to the early to mid-20's, pick up a 2nd round pick, and nab Michael Johnson and, say, Jamon Meredith I would be loving it.

Potential trade partners by the draft value chart numbers (the likelihood of some of these seems remote).
[LIST][*]Philadelphia (picks 21 and 53 - 1170; pick 13 - 1150)[*]Minnesota (picks 22 and 54 - 1140; pick 13 - 1150)[*]New England (picks 23 and 47 - 1190; pick 13 and 5th - approx. 1185.5) or (picks 23, 58, and 4th - approx. 1134; pick 13 - 1150)[*]Atlanta (picks 24, 55, and 4th - approx. 1142; pick 13 - 1150)[*]Miami (picks 26 and 44 - 1160; pick 13 - 1150 ... plus kick to Cerrato's groin for having to drop 13 spots to get back pick 44)[/LIST]Obviously other scenarios could exist, but those are the most obvious. To my eye Minnesota looks like the ideal partner if there is someone at 13 that they covet. I wonder about the ability to deal with Philadelphia, New England, or Miami since they all likely value their 2nd's too highly to do any of those trades. At least we have a history with Atlanta from last year so maybe doing another draft day deal would be easier.

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great post & I agree, the vikes seem like the most likely. If they think they're 1 player away, they would trade up. They might be interested in a wr or qb, though those positions are not rookie high impacts.

I doubt though that they would really give us 22 & 54. I think 22 & a 3rd is more likely and to me that's still worth it.

Re: If Nothing Changes Come Draft Day, Who Would You Draft
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;536592]I am not sure if others have seen this YouTube site, but it has extended TV highlights of most of the top prospects in this year's draft. So you can actually watch the guys play rather than relying on talking heads to tell you what to think.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/user/DraftParty"]YouTube - DraftParty's Channel[/URL]

I don't know if that was the only good 10 minutes of film on Michael Johnson, but I really like the way that guy looks. He has athleticism, quickness, and size. I know Kiper is saying he might fall to the second but he looks better than that to me. I'd like to watch the whole Virginia tape and see him go against Eugene Monroe for a whole game. I also really like Everette Brown, but I think Johnson has the better body type to do the things that Blache asks his ends to do in the run game. If they decide to go DE I wouldn't mind taking Johnson from the little that I have now seen of him, even at #13 and even though it would make Kiper's head explode (or maybe especially because it would make his head explode).

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At tackle, if it comes down to Andre Smith or Michael Oher, I like Oher (as I said in another thread).

At LB, if it comes down to Cushing or Maualuga, I'll take Maualuga (and I was hoping to like Cushing better since he would fill an immediate need at SLB). Maualuga seems to play at a high intensity and attacks the football. He kind of looks like London Fletcher. I guess you would worry about how he would match up with more athletic NFL tight ends if he had to play the SAM for a few years until Fletcher retires/leaves but we have had the liability for some time now. He would certainly provide a strong run defender and just looks like a better football player than Cushing. I'd actually be pretty upset if the Skins went with Cushing because there are a number of guys who look better even if SLB is a hole that needs filling.

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I think E.Brown is the real deal, smart guy & great athlete. I can't say the same about Johnson's smarts (don't know), but he's got the athletic upside. There's no way at this point that Johnson is off the board before Brown. There is a lot of negative scouting on MJ. If he's there in the 2nd & we have a pick it might be worth the risk. If he falls all the way to the 3rd, which I believe could happen, I think we'd have to take him.