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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;529099]According to JLC, we didnt even make him an offer:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/evans_likely_to_become_free_ag.html#more]Evans Likely to Become Free Agent - Redskins Insider[/url]

I know we let guys like Cartwright hit free agency last year but i'm pretty sure we atleast offered them some kind of contract first. The only reason I can see not to make an offer at all is that we have no intention of retaining him. [b]Which could mean we have faith in Rob Jackson progressing and we want to get a comp pick for Evans next year[/b] OR we have our sights on an impending free agent we beleive would be an upgrade over Evans.

I'm very disappointed we didnt atleast offer him some kind of contract. But then again, what do i know? Vinny is far more qualified than me to make these decisions and its not like he's ever steered us wrong before...[/quote]

Isn't this what we always complain that we don't do? That's pretty much what most teams do, draft and develop, let players (especially just ok guys) who are getting older leave via free agency.

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[quote=Paintrain;529179]Not that I am really for the Haynesworth signing (for the record, I am against it) but we can't put Haynesworth and Evans in the same sentence. The only things they have in common are they play in the NFL and they are in their late 20's but other than that we're comparing grapes and grapefruits.

If we sign Big Al and don't bring back Evans it's not that we chose one equal player over the other for a ton more money, it's that one is on a completely different plane than the other.[/quote]

Yes, they are on a completely different plane - One is a cheap player who was surpassed a future first ballot hall of famer on the depth chart last year and ended the season as our best defensive lineman. He's not asking for alot of money, but he would like to start.

The other is 10X more expensive, only plays about half of his units snaps, has a history of on- and off- field character-related problems, lacks motivation, and will likely stop playing once he gets that big contract.

the two should not be in the same sentence. One fits the description of a core redskin. The other fits the description of a bad team mate and piss poor example of a human being.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;529184]Yes, they are on a completely different plane - One is a cheap player who was surpassed a future first ballot hall of famer on the depth chart last year and ended the season as our best defensive lineman. He's not asking for alot of money, but he would like to start.

The other is 10X more expensive, only plays about half of his units snaps, has a history of on- and off- field character-related problems, lacks motivation, and will likely stop playing once he gets that big contract.

the two should not be in the same sentence. One fits the description of a core redskin. The other fits the description of a bad team mate and piss poor example of a human being.[/quote]

Wow. Factually inaccurate but wow.

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[quote=Paintrain;529190]Wow. Factually inaccurate but wow.[/quote]

Nothing in the statement is factually inaccurate. Theres some "spin," but nothing inaccurate. Also, the last sentence is a strongly worded opinion on Haynesworth character, but that doesnt make the preceding statements about the accomplishments of Evans and Haynesworth inaccurate.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;529205]Nothing in the statement is factually inaccurate. Theres some "spin," but nothing inaccurate. Also, the last sentence is a strongly worded opinion on Haynesworth character, but that doesnt make the preceding statements about the accomplishments of Evans and Haynesworth inaccurate.[/quote]

Well Evans didn't beat out Taylor, Taylor was injured in the pre-season and during the season as well. That's not spin, that's what happened. Mostly what you said was opinion so I guess accuracy can't be judged on the rest.

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Dosen't the draft have a lot to do with what we are going to do with guys like Evans??? From all I have been reading, looks like we are going after a pass rusher like Orakpo, so why would we keep Carter, Taylor, add this new rusher, and then keep an average player at best like Evans. I love Evans, but this idea of keeping him isin't that good to me?

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Nice sig BHA....I like it!...:laughing2

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[quote=LandrySlice;529227]Dosen't the draft have a lot to do with what we are going to do with guys like Evans??? From all I have been reading, looks like we are going after a pass rusher like Orakpo, so why would we keep Carter, Taylor, add this new rusher, and then keep an average player at best like Evans. I love Evans, but this idea of keeping him isin't that good to me?[/quote]Well, Taylor likely isn't back after next year no matter what, and we can get out of Carter's contract after 2010 if need be, so their presence don't actually affect the decision of who to draft.

With that said, I haven't heard that we're looking at the defensive line in the first round.

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well, for BHA - evans didn't play as many snaps as haynesworth as i remember, so that's not necessarily factual. evans isn't better than carter, and he wasn't better than daniels last year, so that's not true either.

evans is an okay player that shouldn't be too expensive to bring back, but he's 29 and he won't be much better than very average at best, so it's not like he'd be super hard to replace either. the skins keep 9 DL, and it's usually 4 DEs and 5 DTs, so maybe they have a FA in mind or they're comfortable they can get evans cheap after he sees there isn't much interest.

G12 - right now the skins are looking at chris canty as a FA and they've talked to orakpo (DE) for sure - and there's been plenty of talk from secondary sources (ie the guys that talk directly to danny) that they're looking OL/DL right now.

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/evans_likely_to_become_free_ag.html]Evans Likely to Become Free Agent - Redskins Insider[/url]

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I'm a bit surprised by the Canty news. I thought he might be an option, but not a serious one

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

[quote=53Fan;529351][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/evans_likely_to_become_free_ag.html]Evans Likely to Become Free Agent - Redskins Insider[/url][/quote]

I understand the strategy but would hate to see him get taken by another team. I like that he's solid, committed and dedicated to playing to his ability. I really hope we resign him.

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I'm a purist, and I know that Evans was w/the cowpokes for a brief stint, he's made his career here. I understand why they're not offering him anything yet, let the chips fall & maybe sign him to a short cheaper deal a la Rock's deal of last year.

Canty is a really underated guy that is solid all around. But he's a cowboy (and a cavalier for that matter, but that's another story) & I hope he stays w/them or goes elsewhere. I hate it when guys sign w/the rival!

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If it's between Canty or Evans give me Canty any day. I really don't care who he played for.

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[quote=Mattyk72;529420][B]If it's between Canty or Evans[/B] give me Canty any day. I really don't care who he played for.[/quote]

I have to agree here. I like Evens but if the decision stands on a choice between them. Then definatly Canty. The fact that Canty plays with the Cowboys dose'nt matter to me either.

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[quote=SmootSmack;529403]I'm a bit surprised by the Canty news. I thought he might be an option, but not a serious one[/quote]

I agree with Matty- If it's between Canty and Evans, I'll take Canty every day of the week, even if he costs a good chunk more. He could be a high-level starter for us for the next 5+ years (plus he's 3 years younger than Evans).

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I was somewhat surprised to see the Evans wants to be a starter. He is a solid guy and I would hate for the Skins to lose him.
I am surprised we are keeping Daniels considering his recent injury history and his age.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;529428]I was somewhat surprised to see the Evans wants to be a starter. He is a solid guy and I would hate for the Skins to lose him.
I am surprised we are keeping Daniels considering his recent injury history and his age.[/quote]

I dont see why we can't/won't keep Evans. Cut Daniels and still sign Canty

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[quote=Mattyk72;529420]If it's between Canty or Evans give me Canty any day. I really don't care who he played for.[/quote]

I agree 100% I especially like the fact that if we get Canty, he'll undoubtably be motivated to "stick it" to the cowboys for chosing not to resign him. As JLC pointed out, he's a similar player to Evans, but much more talented and over 4 years younger.

I was surprised JLC mentioned Canty would demand 8M/year in salary. I was thinking something in the 6M/year range would be more than enough to lock him up. However, if we signed him he would instantly become our best D-lineman and probably 2nd or 3rd best player on our defense (behind Fletcher and possibly Hall), so perhaps 8M/year isnt unreasonable.

I think the problem on our team is we are playing high salaries to so many players who dont deserve it (Randy Thomas is probably one of the most overpaid player in the NFL and Portis is right up there with him. Jansen, Moss, Taylor, and Springs are also all grossly overpaid.) As a result, we cant afford to pay the players who DO deserve it and stay under the cap.

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

[quote=44ever;529437]I dont see why we can't/won't keep Evans. Cut Daniels and still sign Canty[/quote]

I think the FO sees Canty as Demetric Evans on steroids (not literally). He is a younger more talented version of Philip Daniels and would be an impact player for us. On a side note I went to UVA while Canty was there and he was one of the more humble athletes at the school. Seems like he would mesh well with our locker room.

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

[quote=cobracai1;529442]I think the FO sees [B]Canty as Demetric Evans on steroids (not liter[/B]ally). He is a younger more talented version of Philip Daniels and would be an impact player for us. On a side note I went to UVA while Canty was there and he was one of the more humble athletes at the school. Seems like he would mesh well with our locker room.[/quote]

yes I see that but if FO is planning on starting Daniels at DE at 36 years old, why not start Evans at DE instead. He can play that position. He can also play DT

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[quote=44ever;529445]yes I see that but if FO is planning on starting Daniels at DT at 36 years old, why not start Evans at DT instead. He can play that position.[/quote]

well it looks like they got their starting DT
[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/24/report-haynesworth-to-the-skins/]ProFootballTalk.com - REPORT: HAYNESWORTH TO THE ‘SKINS[/url]

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He is not a starter and thus no way give him starting money...!!!!

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[quote=cobracai1;529448]well it looks like they got their starting DT
[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/24/report-haynesworth-to-the-skins/]ProFootballTalk.com - REPORT: HAYNESWORTH TO THE ‘SKINS[/url][/quote]

I guess that explains A LOT :) Thanks

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[quote=cobracai1;529448]well it looks like they got their starting DT
[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/24/report-haynesworth-to-the-skins/]ProFootballTalk.com - REPORT: HAYNESWORTH TO THE ‘SKINS[/url][/quote]

WOW.

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[quote=cobracai1;529448]well it looks like they got their starting DT
[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/24/report-haynesworth-to-the-skins/]ProFootballTalk.com - REPORT: HAYNESWORTH TO THE ‘SKINS[/url][/quote]

Now that's funny stuff.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;529439]
I think the problem on our team is we are playing high salaries to so many players who dont deserve it (Randy Thomas is probably one of the most overpaid player in the NFL and Portis is right up there with him. Jansen, Moss, Taylor, and Springs are also all grossly overpaid.) As a result, we cant afford to pay the players who DO deserve it and stay under the cap.[/quote]

randy thomas was worth it before he kept getting hurt :/ It's hard to say moss is overpaid though, especially when randle-el (who's worthless) makes just as much. springs isn't overpaid though, at least not when he's healthy, cause he's a true #1 CB, though his speed is starting to go.