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[quote=Ruhskins;529202]So I got curious, and looked at the World Series vs. the Superbowl in the past 20 years. I checked to see how many top-15 payroll teams in MLB have appeared in the WS vs. how many top-15 most valuable franchises in NFL appeared in the SB, for anyone interested here's what I found.

World Series from 1988 through 2008
40 teams appeared in the WS of which 30 were from the top-15 payroll

Superbowl from 1988 through 2008
42 teams played in the SB, of which 22 were from the top-15 most valuable franchises
(If you take out either the 1988 SB or 2008, to have the same number of teams in both comparisons, since there was no WS in 1994, it would be 40 teams played in SB and 20 of them were from the top-15 most valuable franchises)

So think they are pretty comparable between the two sports. I'd be curious to see what those numbers are for playoff appearances, but that's just too much work. LOL.[/quote]

As we (and the Cowboys, Yankees and NBA Knicks) have proved, there is no correlation between spending and winning. Winning is done by making smart personnel decisions, having a clear and consistent organizational plan and executing the plan.

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I hope Haynesworth doesn't come here. He's better than anyone we currently have but he's not going to pass block is he? I just don't see a huge need at DT.

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[quote=Schneed10;529197]The Orioles are just a shitty franchise. They don't successfully develop enough home-grown talent, and on the free agents they do acquire they miss big time (Miguel Tejada).[/quote]

andy macphail is working his magic . . 2 years from now the Os are gonna be nasty. (and miggy led this team for years, earned his salary while here then got traded for young talent).

difference between the Os now and 2 years ago is that angelos finally stopped trying to play GM and hired a very respected knowledgable guy to make the decisions. the result? farm system went from dead last to 13th overall, they have the no. 1 prospect in matt weiter, markakis and b-rob signed up (keeping home grown talent), made their first japanesse acquisition in a pitcher who has sick command from what is being reported, got cubs former no 1 prospect, got seattles no 2 prospect last year, and drafted and signed one of the best pitchers in this past draft.

^^ man, wish i was writing all this stuff about how the skins are making all the right moves . . baseball is a different breed though.

go O's baby!! yeah!!

ps - we dis well against the yanks last year and beaned arod 3 times!

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[quote=skinsfan69;529204]I hope Haynesworth doesn't come here. He's better than anyone we currently have but he's not going to pass block is he? [B]I just don't see a huge need at DT[/B].[/quote]

Really? That is the biggest need on defense next to OLB. I'm not saying we should break the bank for Haynesworth but if we get him I don't hink he will be the second coming of Stubblefield.

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Skinsfan_nn, check your PM

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The ‘Skins are going to go after one major free agent and appear ready to spend a little money in the free agent market. [B]Is it Albert Haynesworth[/B]? [B]Is it Khalif Barnes from Jacksonville[/B]? It seems clear from doing research in Indy, the ‘Skins want to improve both lines.

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/02/diner-morning-news-15/]The National Football Post | Diner Morning News[/url]

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Yesssssssss Haynesworth.......Finally someone to cause complete havic..

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I had never thought of trading Springs as a legit option. Does he get us more than a 4th? And if he get us that do we use that (and something else) to move up?

Sign Khalif Barnes, trade down and draft Duke Robinson and Tyson Jackson in the first two rounds, draft Marcus Freeman or Follett in the 3rd round and call it a day.

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[quote=SmootSmack;529218]I had never thought of trading Springs as a legit option. Does he get us more than a 4th? And if he get us that do we use that (and something else) to move up?

Sign Khalif Barnes, trade down and draft Duke Robinson and Tyson Jackson in the first two rounds, draft Marcus Freeman or Follett in the 3rd round and call it a day.[/quote]Would Barnes' skill set be worth the money he gets if the plan is to slide him across the line to the right side?

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[quote=SmootSmack;529218]I had never thought of trading Springs as a legit option. Does he get us more than a 4th? And if he get us that do we use that (and something else) to move up?

Sign Khalif Barnes, trade down and draft Duke Robinson and Tyson Jackson in the first two rounds, draft Marcus Freeman or Follett in the 3rd round and call it a day.[/quote]

No concerns about how Robinson got abused in the BCS game vs. Florida? I'm not much of a college football fan but he jumped early a few times and other times just got flat out beaten.

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[quote=Paintrain;529221]No concerns about how Robinson got abused in the BCS game vs. Florida? I'm not much of a college football fan but he jumped early a few times and other times just got flat out beaten.[/quote]

That's a bit of a concern, but it is just one game. However, it was such a bad game that Stoops actually benched him for a few series. A little worrisome when you can't mentally show up for the biggest game of your life.

That said, I still think he's the best pure guard available.

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[quote=GTripp0012;529219]Would Barnes' skill set be worth the money he gets if the plan is to slide him across the line to the right side?[/quote]

What's the money going to be? I can't remember what I last heard, 6 years 30 million maybe? Something like that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;529223]What's the money going to be? I can't remember what I last heard, 6 years 30 million maybe? Something like that.[/quote]

Is he worth that much? I saw on CBS Sportsline that Khalif Barnes surrendered more sacks last season (7.5) than any other blind-side blocker in the league. I guess he'll be better suited at RT, which is presumably where he would play for us.

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I should say that my saying let's sign Barnes had more to do with skinsfan_nn's post hinting that we may sign Barnes or Haynesworth, and I'm just saying of the two let's sign Barnes and do all the other stuff I said. If there's an option C (which of course there is) then I would say sign neither. Too many questions marks with Haynesworth and very similar question marks with Barnes. Both are extremely talented, but after 4 plus years neither has shown a propensity to be consistently counted on.

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100 mil, 30 mil guaranteed..? Damn, wouldn't mind having him but not for that kinda jack. I'm hoping he gets it elsewhere.

I wonder why the market is soft......

SOFT MARKET FOR HAYNESWORTH?
Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2009, 5:41 p.m.

Lately, we’ve been chirping the phrase “caveat emptor” whenever discussing Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. And it could be that some of the potential emptors are indeed, um, caveating.

According to Peter King of SI.com, there won’t be a long line of teams chasing Haynesworth come midnight on February 27.

As one unnamed coach told King, “Everybody I’ve asked this weekend says, ‘We’re out of that,’ or ‘I don’t think you’ll see us involved in Haynesworth.’”

The coach to whom King spoke also said that his team has some interest in getting Haynesworth “at the right price” — “which is about half of what Haynesworth is hoping to get.”

It’s believed that Haynesworth wants a $100 million contract, with more than $30 million of it guaranteed.

King says that the Redskins might in the end be the team that gets him, as evidenced by the fact that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder was spotted having dinner with Haynesworth’s agent, Chad Speck, in Indy.

As we’ve said a few times lately, if neither the Titans (for whom Haynesworth has played all seven NFL seasons) nor the Lions (who are now coached by Haynesworth’s former defensive coordinator) make a serious play for the guy, it’s the strongest possible message that could be delivered to any team that toys with giving him huge money.

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[quote=SmootSmack;529226]I should say that my saying let's sign Barnes had more to do with skinsfan_nn's post hinting that we may sign Barnes or Haynesworth, and I'm just saying of the two let's sign Barnes and do all the other stuff I said. If there's an option C (which of course there is) then I would say sign neither. Too many questions marks with Haynesworth and very similar question marks with Barnes. Both are extremely talented, but after 4 plus years neither has shown a propensity to be consistently counted on.[/quote]If option 'C' stands for "cost-effective", then I like the backup T from the Seahawks, Ray Willis, who is only 27. He's a more established version of Heyer.

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[quote=GTripp0012;529233]If option 'C' stands for "cost-effective", then I like the backup T from the Seahawks, Ray Willis, who is only 27. He's a more established version of Heyer.[/quote]

Do you think he can start? Because I don't think we should be looking for a backup

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[quote=vallin21;529210]Really? That is the biggest need on defense next to OLB. I'm not saying we should break the bank for Haynesworth but if we get him I don't hink he will be the second coming of Stubblefield.[/quote]

We can get by with the current group ( Griff, Monty and Goldston) we currently have. Plus Evans can play DT. They're not going to cave in the pocket but they're all serviceable and for the most part they get the job done. Why would the FO pay out a ton of money to one guy when there are so many other needs to fill? We need a guard or two, a RT, DE and LB depth.

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[quote=GTripp0012;529233]If option 'C' stands for "cost-effective", then I like the backup T from the Seahawks, Ray Willis, who is only 27. He's a more established version of Heyer.[/quote]

Been wondering about this kid. He started much of last year at RT and only gave up 1.5 sacks all season. He's extremely powerful but tends to miss blocks here and there. 53Fan had a nice link on him somewhere but it escapes me at the moment...

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[quote=SmootSmack;529236]Do you think he can start? Because I don't think we should be looking for a backup[/quote]You know, I think that's a good point. I have him rated below the line of 79 on my spreadsheets, which would imply that I don't think he's an ideal starter, and I have Barnes at 80, which implies he should start somewhere.

However, if it comes down to contract talks, and we're talking 4 years at 12 million to Willis, and 6 years 30 million to Barnes, it's hard to justify Barnes at that price.

So, yeah, I think Willis is capable of starting, but I'm not sure he's a huge improvement on Jansen (if at all). But then again, there's value in simply having the extra body, because the offense is more resistant to injury attrition, and it decreases the chance we see another 2008.

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we need to get haynesworth simply because we need to get to the other QB's in the league...even if haynesworth doesn't try because he got paid, he's still a big body that no lineman can move around, if we have a Dline that can beat the Cowboys oline and sack romo, then this is the first and huge piece to that puzzle think about it for a second Carter, Gholston, [B]Haynesworth[/B], Taylor two great pass rushers on the outside and a decent 2 way dtackle, and do it all haynesworth...and for all you saying "I don't want him" just wait till they hold his press conference with him putting on the jersey and smiling and having all those breaking news cameras watching his press conference, thats when it will hit you all and make you change your thoughts of getting him little by little

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question:

is snyder allowed to enter discussions/negotiations with haynesworth's agent while AH is still under contract until friday with the titans?

im guessin it must be perfectly legit since the article doesnt say anything. also AH's agent does rep other players (FA and draft declared) which snyder would be able to inquire about. just curious if this is perfectly ok, an unwritten rule where snyder and AH's agent could met and talk about other things just not about acquiring AH, or some third option.

go skins!

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[quote=Nflnick11;529244]we need to get haynesworth simply because we need to get to the other QB's in the league...even if haynesworth doesn't try because he got paid, he's still a big body that no lineman can move around, if we have a Dline that can beat the Cowboys oline and sack romo, then this is the first and huge piece to that puzzle think about it for a second Carter, Gholston, [B]Haynesworth[/B], Taylor two great pass rushers on the outside and a decent 2 way dtackle, and do it all haynesworth...and for all you saying "I don't want him" just wait till they hold his press conference with him putting on the jersey and smiling and having all those breaking news cameras watching his press conference, thats when it will hit you all and make you change your thoughts of getting him little by little[/quote]

Amen, brother. Hearing people say "no way" makes me want to jam a pencil in my eye. This guy is one of the most dominant players in the league. People argue that we have the 4th ranked defense without him. SO WHAT! The Steelers had the #1 D and won the F*cking Superbowl! Uhh..how 'bout the year before that? The Giants won because of Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Micheal Strahan. Jesus Christ, I am tired of casual football fans that only want to acquire college kids who have never played a down in the NFL. I don't care if you have the 1st overall pick....he's not guaranteed to do Sh*t. Skins fans are largely paranoid and myopic because of some bad deals that happened a decade ago. A dominant DT can improve your entire D-you don't need elite corners that have to cover all day if your D line is constantly in the face of the QB. This would be worth a lot of $$ to me.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;529247]Amen, brother. Hearing people say "no way" makes me want to jam a pencil in my eye. This guy is one of the most dominant players in the league. People argue that we have the 4th ranked defense without him. SO WHAT! [B]The Steelers had the #1 D and won the F*cking Superbowl! [/B] Uhh..how 'bout the year before that? The Giants won because of Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Micheal Strahan. Jesus Christ, I am tired of casual football fans that only want to acquire college kids who have never played a down in the NFL. I don't care if you have the 1st overall pick....he's not guaranteed to do Sh*t. Skins fans are largely paranoid and myopic because of some bad deals that happened a decade ago. A dominant DT can improve your entire D-you don't need elite corners that have to cover all day if your D line is constantly in the face of the QB. This would be worth a lot of $$ to me.[/quote]


and their oline was worse than ours, Big Ben was sacked I think the most or the second most in the league...Defense wins championships, some of you maybe be tired of hearing that famous saying but it's true

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[quote=Paintrain;529221]No concerns about how Robinson got abused in the BCS game vs. Florida? I'm not much of a college football fan but he jumped early a few times and other times just got flat out beaten.[/quote]
I saw that.. and that was honestly the only game that I saw out of him

it did not give me a lot of confidence in him, but it was the only game, he could've been anxious

that's what coaching is supposed to remedy

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[quote=DirtyLandry;529247]Amen, brother. Hearing people say "no way" makes me want to jam a pencil in my eye. This guy is one of the most dominant players in the league. People argue that we have the 4th ranked defense without him. SO WHAT! The Steelers had the #1 D and won the F*cking Superbowl! Uhh..how 'bout the year before that? The Giants won because of Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Micheal Strahan. Jesus Christ, I am tired of casual football fans that only want to acquire college kids who have never played a down in the NFL. I don't care if you have the 1st overall pick....he's not guaranteed to do Sh*t. Skins fans are largely paranoid and myopic because of some bad deals that happened a decade ago. A dominant DT can improve your entire D-you don't need elite corners that have to cover all day if your D line is constantly in the face of the QB. This would be worth a lot of $$ to me.[/quote]

instead of answering one of 3 or 4 issues and calling anyone that doesn't agree with you an idiot, why not try to be a least a little bit more constructive, instead of beating up strawmen. If defense wins championships, what happened to the titans? or the ravens post dilfer? It's hard to win without a good defense, but there's a bit more to it than that, or else new england and indy wouldn't waste so much money on a quarterback.

is he going to help us win a superbowl in 2009? is danny really going to give him six years and 100mill? can we be competitive that way? no concerns about giving that much money to a guy that has character concerns and the titans and his ex-defensive coordinator don't seem super-eager to go after?

I think he'd be a good addition myself, but I don't think AH by himself is going to push us from average to amazing, and his contract and the way the skins work the cap doesn't really seem to work logically... I mean, if we hit on 6 or 7 draft picks and cheap FAs (to replace the guys we'd dump and the weak spots on the roster), but i don't really see it happening.

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Good point about defenses in the past, but here's the thing with haynesworth; name me one defensive lineman on our team right now whose better than haynesworth.
Also when we got London fletcher from buffalo I didn't think it wasn't that much of an upgrade over lemar Marshall ... Then fletch played great for us and became a difference maker and playmaker for our defense, same thing with haynesworth, he's clearly better than any of our DTs put together... And if we sign him to a contract it should have incenives to it like if e make playoffs he gets 10 million a year but if we don't he gets 4 million a year or something like that/ close to that

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[quote=That Guy;529291][QUOTE]instead of answering one of 3 or 4 issues and calling anyone that doesn't agree with you an idiot, why not try to be a least a little bit more constructive, instead of beating up strawmen.[/quote]
I never suggested that the skins should address only one of their issues, and I never called anyone an idiot.
[quote] If defense wins championships, what happened to the titans? or the ravens post dilfer? It's hard to win without a good defense, but there's a bit more to it than that, or else new england and indy wouldn't waste so much money on a quarterback.[/quote]
At what point did I say offense is irrelevant? I only made a completely logical argument as to why elite defensive linemen are important and showed exactly why with the last two superbowl winners.
[quote]is he going to help us win a superbowl in 2009? is danny really going to give him six years and 100mill? can we be competitive that way? no concerns about giving that much money to a guy that has character concerns and the titans and his ex-defensive coordinator don't seem super-eager to go after?[/quote]
My initial response was obviously that of a frustrated one. I am tired of pseudo-fans regurgitating and repeating what the talking heads say. This is why it's a copy-cat league, most people can't think for themselves. The "popular" thing to say about Randy Moss prior to going to the Pats was that he had character issues. No he didn't and neither does Haynesworth.
[quote]I think he'd be a good addition myself, but I don't think AH by himself is going to push us from average to amazing, and his contract and the way the skins work the cap doesn't really seem to work logically... I mean, if we hit on 6 or 7 draft picks and cheap FAs (to replace the guys we'd dump and the weak spots on the roster), but i don't really see it happening.[/quote]
If there is no cap next year, then why worry about a players salary? Also, I noted in my post that an elite, blue chip DT can improve an entire Defense, never did I propose that this player alone would solve all of our woes. You probably should have read my post in it's entirety. If we hit on 6 or 7 draft picks? Dude, we have only four this year and this FO has shown that it doesn't draft well, and don't give me the Horton argument. For the money, Haynesworth is the single best option for helping an entire organization.

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I'm going to tear my hair out with all these "I'd love Haynesworth, but not for that price!" posts.

THERE IS NO PRICE IF THERE IS NO CAP!!!

Do I need to start an informational thread on the salary cap and why its days are numbered?

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^^ Thank you, Schneed.

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[quote=Schneed10;529308][B]I'm going to tear my hair out[/B] with all these "I'd love Haynesworth, but not for that price!" posts.

THERE IS NO PRICE IF THERE IS NO CAP!!!

Do I need to start an informational thread on the salary cap and why its days are numbered?[/quote]

Don't do anything rash LOL... i think it's hard for folks to believe there won't be a cap again. That's all.

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[quote=Schneed10;529308]I'm going to tear my hair out with all these "I'd love Haynesworth, but not for that price!" posts.

THERE IS NO PRICE IF THERE IS NO CAP!!!

[B]Do I need to start an informational thread on the salary cap and why its days are numbered?[/quote][/B]

[B]Yes. Please explain.[/B]

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here is what happens if we sign him....... he is over paid, he wont try and will then suck and be released the following summer.

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[quote=dall-assblows;529322]here is what happens if we sign him....... he is over paid, he wont try and will then suck and be released the following summer.[/quote]

That's an argument that at least holds some water. He'll get his money and rest on his laurels. But I can't handle the cap concerns anymore.

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[quote=skinsfan69;529318][/b]

[B]Yes. Please explain.[/B][/quote]

Funny, I kinda already have been:

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/27715-current-redskins-salary-cap-status-2009-a-11.html#post526728[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/28540-king-predicts-haynesworth-to-redskins-4.html#post529137[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;529328]Funny, I kinda already have been:

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/27715-current-redskins-salary-cap-status-2009-a-11.html#post526728[/URL]

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/28540-king-predicts-haynesworth-to-redskins-4.html#post529137[/URL][/quote]

Keep leading that horse...

lol

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he is the next ADAM ARTUELLETTA or however u spell his insane anglosaxin name

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[quote=dmek25;529143]schneed, if this is the case, whats stopping teams like the redskins from signing players at a modest 2009 salary, and then paying out top dollar afterwards?[/quote]

The 30% Rule.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/27689-the-30-rule.html#post518062[/url]

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[quote=dall-assblows;529330]he is the next ADAM ARTUELLETTA or however u spell his insane anglosaxin name[/quote]

Thats great. You make a completely unsubstantiated assessment like this and call out a player for having a "white" name. wow.

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[quote=Schneed10;529308]I'm going to tear my hair out with all these "I'd love Haynesworth, but not for that price!" posts.

THERE IS NO PRICE IF THERE IS NO CAP!!!

Do I need to start an informational thread on the salary cap and why its days are numbered?[/quote]

So does that mean you'll be out of a job here? LOL. :silly:

On a similar note, pardon my ignorance, but with the possibility of having the end of the cap, what's stopping teams like the Redskins to just coast this next season, and then go nuts during the offseason before the cap-less year begins?