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[quote=vallin21;536322][B]and he said that they had been talking[/B]. [/quote]
I am sure DS/VC had a nice long talk with Rock to clarify who the "he" [presumably Malcolm Kelly] and the "they"[i am sure the clarification would be Kelly and his agent had been talking, not DS and Kelly's agent] were in that sentence. Again, what has been put in public is just good for stirring up blogs/hits/readership, not any actual proof that would be needed.

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[quote=vallin21;536322]
That's textbook tampering. The Bears got a pick from the 49ers for tampering with Lance Briggs, and they seemed to have much less evidence. [/quote]

The league office investigated the matter and went through the e-mails of the 49ers FO members that proved tampering. They never revealed the contents of the e-mails, but it was supposedly convincing. There were also phone calls that corresponded with times mentioned in those e-mails, if memory serves me.

While its possible Snyder and Vinnys emails contain damning evidence of some sort, we're not there yet. Snyders having dinner with Haynesworth's agent and 4th person hearsay is not enough evidence to make Goddell do anything.

Also, for arguments sake, nothing Cartwright said alleges tampering. the "they" he mentioned does not directly point to the Redskins FO and Speck. Cartwright could have easily been referring to:

Kelly and Haynesworth
Kelly and Speck about Haynesworth
Speck and Haynesworth

Cartwright never states that the FO had been talking to Speck about Haynesworth.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;536370]The league office investigated the matter and went through the e-mails of the 49ers FO members that proved tampering. They never revealed the contents of the e-mails, but it was supposedly convincing. There were also phone calls that corresponded with times mentioned in those e-mails, if memory serves me.

While its possible Snyder and Vinnys emails contain damning evidence of some sort, we're not there yet. Snyders having dinner with Haynesworth's agent and 4th person hearsay is not enough evidence to make Goddell do anything.

Also, for arguments sake, nothing Cartwright said alleges tampering. the "they" he mentioned does not directly point to the Redskins FO and Speck. Cartwright could have easily been referring to:

Kelly and Haynesworth
Kelly and Speck about Haynesworth
Speck and Haynesworth

Cartwright never states that the FO had been talking to Speck about Haynesworth.[/quote]

But that's not nearly as exciting as calling all this speculation "textbook, without a shadow of a doubt, tampering"

Good post though

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[quote=SmootSmack;536380]But that's not nearly as exciting as calling all this speculation "textbook, without a shadow of a doubt, tampering"

Good post though[/quote]

I think Florio and JLCs doom and gloom flair for the dramatic is contagious.

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[quote=over the mountain;535348]idk man. to me i think we look like the asses. yeah i know its hard to prove and most everyone does it but . . . i do believe there is some kind of gentlemen's agreement among owners/GMs and you dont see other owners getting their names in articles talking about dinners with agents before FA began.

snyder is probaly the most unliked owner when he goes to the owner meetings and ive read that they are going to address the tampering issue when they meet. im sure all eyes wil be turning to DS.

DS knows no ethics, he is quite the ass as a business person from everything ive read about him. its a shame our franchise has to be hog-tied to his way of doing things. maybe im oldschool but i like doing things the right way even if others are doing it otherwise.

go skins!![/quote]

Please inform us how you know and why you say DS has no ethics or is just because he is rich that has to be the case.

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[quote=over the mountain;535348]idk man. to me i think we look like the asses. yeah i know its hard to prove and most everyone does it but . . . i do believe there is some kind of gentlemen's agreement among owners/GMs and you dont see other owners getting their names in articles talking about dinners with agents before FA began.

snyder is probaly the most unliked owner when he goes to the owner meetings and ive read that they are going to address the tampering issue when they meet. im sure all eyes wil be turning to DS.

DS knows no ethics, he is quite the ass as a business person from everything ive read about him. its a shame our franchise has to be hog-tied to his way of doing things. maybe im oldschool but i like doing things the right way even if others are doing it otherwise.

go skins!![/quote]

The league did not pursue tampering charges against Parcells and the Dolphins, who signed Justin Smiley minutes into the free agency period last year. This story is just the opinion of the PFT.com people, and no other reputable news source has seriously reported on this.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3270118]Early signings by Dolphins, 49ers kick off frantic free-agency period - NFL - ESPN[/url]

[quote][B]Less than a hour after the 12:01 a.m. start to free agency[/B], the Dolphins reached a five-year, $25 million deal with 49ers guard Justin Smiley that included a $9 million guarantee. [/quote]

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[quote=firstdown;536396]Please inform us how you know and why you say DS has no ethics or is just because he is rich that has to be the case.[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=2344]Park Place - Cheap Seats - Washington City Paper[/url]

go skins!!

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[quote=over the mountain;537249][url=http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=2344]Park Place - Cheap Seats - Washington City Paper[/url]

go skins!![/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/sports/1679.html]The Dan Snyder You Don't Know - Sports (washingtonian.com)[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;537251][URL="http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/sports/1679.html"]The Dan Snyder You Don't Know - Sports (washingtonian.com)[/URL][/quote]


[quote]
I ask Snyder if he’s a Republican.
“Yes,” he says. He says he voted for George Bush. “But I am very angry with Bush. I don’t like what he’s doing in foreign affairs, and I think he’s messing up the economy.”
[/quote]

Not rying to turn this thread political but I thought this was amusing.

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looks like new info
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4035877]Report: Tennessee Titans ask NFL to investigate if Albert Haynesworth was contacted early by Washington Redskins - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=htownskinfan;542598]looks like new info
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4035877"]Report: Tennessee Titans ask NFL to investigate if Albert Haynesworth was contacted early by Washington Redskins - ESPN[/URL][/quote]
repost :p

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Cry babies (Tennessee)... seriously, he had no intention of resigning with them. This reminds me of one of those stalker x boyfrieds who cannot get over the fact that your the guy banging "his" chick now.

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It amazes me how hard the Titans are pursuing this.

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[quote=vallin21;543014]It amazes me how hard the Titans are pursuing this.[/quote]

And for what? What affect will this really have? I mean seriously. You don't have to give the front office a bad rep, they handle that just fine.

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[quote=vallin21;543014]It amazes me how hard the Titans are pursuing this.[/quote]

Actually, they are not pursuing this, even Redskins media nemesis Mike Florio is saying that that the Titans attempts are futile, since they are not filling any tampering charges (flat out accusing the Redskins).

My question is this, why doesn't the league punish the agents. It takes two for a dialogue to get started, one is the team and the other is the agent. You start fining these agents, I bet tampering would end (or do some other extensive punishment).

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Its just Tennessee's way of whinning about losing a big player. Hats off to FO on this one. They set out hard to bring Haynesworth to DC. I applaud the move!

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[quote=stew9483;543571][B]Its just Tennessee's way of whinning about losing a big player.[/B] Hats off to FO on this one. They set out hard to bring Haynesworth to DC. I applaud the move![/quote]

Yeah. That's about it. Like Ruhskins said, they haven't actually filed charges. Apparently they don't have any proof and just want the NFL to look into it.

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I was wondering if these allegations were causing a problem with a possible trade for Cutler. I was thinking that if they decided to take a draft pick that we traded to Denver, that would realy cause problems. I was not sure if it was even possible, for that to happen.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;544066]I was wondering if these allegations were causing a problem with a possible trade for Cutler. I was thinking that if they decided to take a draft pick that we traded to Denver, that would realy cause problems. I was not sure if it was even possible, for that to happen.[/quote]

Doubt it, the Titans have a very weak case.

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Everytime I want a good laugh I come here. It keeps cropping up. LOL. One minute the Titans are screaming foul, but we have no proof. Then they scream foul, we have proof. Now they are screaming foul, we have no proof but we would like the NFL to look into it so we can either get AH back to save the team or a draft pick.

I say it all boils down to this.....If they truly valued AH as a player and for what he did for the team they would have made him an offer he could not refuse prior to FA or better yet match what the Skins offered.

The second issue comes down to ....Did AH want to stay in Tenn. or was he ready to leave. No matter how much money they offered him, if he did not want to be there anymore he was going to leave no matter what. Which is part of the reason I believe he also wanted to test the market.

So as a team the Titans have a couple of things to think about.

1-Did AH truly want to be a Titan, which if there is any doubt I would say screw him and move on. and....
2-The Titans were farther under the CAP then the Skins, which means there was no reason they could not have given him more money to stay.

The Titans simply need to let it go. Will they truly know if AH was willing to stay? who knows. and it is obviouse the Titans didn't think they needed him in their plans as much as the Skins did or they would have paid him. They got him on the cheap the first go around and they knew that if he played well they would have to pay him and didn't.